Don't like it, don't watch it, don't listen to it, it's this thing we have here called FREEDOM OF CHOICE.
Unreal.
Agreed.
And we needed yet another thread about it.
I KNOW! I didn't even come on here when I saw the commerical. I can just imagine everyone getting their panties in a twist.
Um, let's see, these guys have a career, they need to make money like many of us (all I would think) and without advertising themselves, how would people other than the privelaged ones in the fanclub know about a new album?
OH and Cameron Crowe did the video, do you people know who he is???
They are trying to beat the record labels...commercials and little publicity and plugging the album at shows are necessary.
Isn't pearl Jam at the stage of their career where they don't have to chase down the $$ anymore?
That should be at the beginning, no?
Guess what...it costs money to make an album. To make it and mass distribute it without the help of a record label costs an incredible amount of money. I'm not saying Pearl Jam doesn't have the money to do it, but you can't honestly expect them to spend that much money doing it themselves and then not even fucking try to push the album.
"Well, I think this band is incapable of sucking."
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
They are trying to beat the record labels...commercials and little publicity and plugging the album at shows are necessary.
Isn't pearl Jam at the stage of their career where they don't have to chase down the $$ anymore?
That should be at the beginning, no?
They probably don't need to make any more money, but they are also trying to show bands that things can be done differently. As to being associated with a retail chain how is it any different then when they were under Sony and they sold their album at all the big boxes?
I find it odd how they make an exclusive with one retail chain and they apparently sold out, how else will they get the album out there. For whatever reasons they thought it made more sense to work with one company rather then all of them. They have to some how inform people where the album is being sold, not everyone follows the band and knows that they have an exclusive with Target.
It is just a commercial promoting their album, it doesn't have at the end that you should get some sprite and toilet paper while at the store.
Guess what...it costs money to make an album. To make it and mass distribute it without the help of a record label costs an incredible amount of money. I'm not saying Pearl Jam doesn't have the money to do it, but you can't honestly expect them to spend that much money doing it themselves and then not even fucking try to push the album.[/quote]
I understand that, but even before, when they were under a label they never resorted to this. Thay never pushed the album, they never had to, and I think they still don,t.
why isn't anyone complaining about "The Fixer" or "Got Some" being played at the breaks of football games? seems to me that its a promotion. hmmmmmmm that doesn't count though because they aren't trying to sell a football. :roll:
and as far as selling out, that is crap. do the members of PJ have other jobs and do the music on the side? no, the music is their job. why not promote what makes their livelihood a success? for fucks sake, they released the album on their own label!
indie is selling out too though, i guess. i mean they used to have a record label and now they strayed from it and did their own thing so there you have it.
I understand that, but even before, when they were under a label they never resorted to this. Thay never pushed the album, they never had to, and I think they still don,t.
The label did the work for them.
Who's supposed to do the work now?
You can't release an album and do no work for it. Just ask Axl Rose how that strategy worked out for him.
Not to shabby if you ask me, but hell, what do I know, I liked the video.
And once again...
If you think PJ has sold out with doing a Target exclusive deal so they get 2.5X more money and thus a commercial to promote it, than the fact that Cameron Crowe directed it won't matter.
Second, Cameron Crowe directs movies which doesn't mean he's going to be able to direct a good music video. It doesn't even mean he's going to direct every movie well.
I don't really care so much to argue whether or not they have gone against what they used to preach upon, but I really do not like the direction of the video. The screens in the background are beyond cheesy and the likelihood is that they were put there so they could sub in some nice Target logos in the background later on. And it makes me dizzy - its got the feel of a teeny-bopper type band to me.
but to each their own - I just dont get why a lot of people's instant response to criticism of the commercial for Target is 'Hey- its Cameron Crowe. You DO know who he is right? He's like... a FAMOUS director and he like knows how to use like a lot of video equipment.'
I understand that, but even before, when they were under a label they never resorted to this. Thay never pushed the album, they never had to, and I think they still don,t.
The label did the work for them.
Who's supposed to do the work now?
You can't release an album and do no work for it. Just ask Axl Rose how that strategy worked out for him.
ok, That I get. But I just can't remember any serious promotion that the labels used to do, or had to do.
What was always so cool about this band was that they did things on their own terms, without any real promotion. Especially not by jumping into bed with a huge co. like Target. Why didn't thay use this marketing ploy for No Code, Yield, Binaural, or any other album for that matter? It just put a bad taste in my mouth....
Yeah..it sucks how they have made this album widely available across america as well as vinyl at a realistic price, while offering a cool shirt to help feed the poor. i hate it when bands do that. jesus.
angels dance on a pin head, just to make room for you and i....
What was always so cool about this band was that they did things on their own terms, without any real promotion. Especially not by jumping into bed with a huge co. like Target. Why didn't thay use this marketing ploy for No Code, Yield, Binaural, or any other album for that matter? It just put a bad taste in my mouth....
Yeah..it sucks how they have made this album widely available across america as well as vinyl at a realistic price, while offering a cool shirt to help feed the poor. i hate it when bands do that. jesus.
Every album they have ever put out was "widely available". That's not the point. I
What was always so cool about this band was that they did things on their own terms, without any real promotion. Especially not by jumping into bed with a huge co. like Target. Why didn't thay use this marketing ploy for No Code, Yield, Binaural, or any other album for that matter? It just put a bad taste in my mouth....
Yeah..it sucks how they have made this album widely available across america as well as vinyl at a realistic price, while offering a cool shirt to help feed the poor. i hate it when bands do that. jesus.
Every album they have ever put out was "widely available". That's not the point. I
Ok, I know. I feel the same. I am not entirely comfortable with this big box collaboration either. But at least they are not being totally selfish. They dont HAVE to offer a charity shirt. Or sell the vinyl and CD cheap. Or give us 2 concert downloads. They could just sell the disc for 16 and the record for 30. If widespread promotion is "selling out" then this is the best compromise i think.
angels dance on a pin head, just to make room for you and i....
ok, That I get. But I just can't remember any serious promotion that the labels used to do, or had to do.
Label promotional efforts definitely tapered off over the years, but I don't think the band cared all that much, either. You'd still see posters and stickers and the like when an album came out, but nothing like in the Vs.-Vitalogy heyday.
Well, the band definitely cares now-they have to since they had to put all the money into the recording on their own- and they don't have the label to do the work. So they need to do different things than what they're accustomed to, and that includes promotion of their own.
Ok, I know. I feel the same. I am not entirely comfortable with this big box collaboration either. But at least they are not being totally selfish. They dont HAVE to offer a charity shirt. Or sell the vinyl and CD cheap. Or give us 2 concert downloads. They could just sell the disc for 16 and the record for 30. If widespread promotion is "selling out" then this is the best compromise i think.[/quote]
Good point. You make sense. Maybe its all just a sign of the times... or I'm just guilty of the whole "pedistal" thing...
Ok, I know. I feel the same. I am not entirely comfortable with this big box collaboration either. But at least they are not being totally selfish. They dont HAVE to offer a charity shirt. Or sell the vinyl and CD cheap. Or give us 2 concert downloads. They could just sell the disc for 16 and the record for 30. If widespread promotion is "selling out" then this is the best compromise i think.
To play devil's advocate... the pricing of the CD/Vinyl is in-line with other new releases so there's really no 'giveaway' there whatsoever. The CD will be more next week and the vinyl for $20 to me seems very standard for a single LP release.
The concert downloads cost them nothing outside of bandwith since they didn't pick anything that hasn't been previously released, and is nothing more than a marketing tool to get people to Target to buy the CD.
The shirt is definitely cool though and I'm glad they had that partnership in there. Sure everyone makes more money through it, but at least charity gets a lot as well.
Next thing you know, there'll be Pearl Jam band action figures with kung fu grip. They'll be fighting the forces of W. and Cheney, along with their old nemesis, Ticketmaster (the Death Star of the enemy). You'll have PJ's sweetened cereal, with an action toy in the box - a member of the band with their own instrument (which is really a laser gun).
Next thing you know, there'll be Pearl Jam band action figures with kung fu grip. They'll be fighting the forces of W. and Cheney, along with their old nemesis, Ticketmaster (the Death Star of the enemy). You'll have PJ's sweetened cereal, with an action toy in the box - a member of the band with their own instrument (which is really a laser gun).
I want some PJ figures done by McFarlane - that guy makes awesome figures.
Next thing you know, there'll be Pearl Jam band action figures with kung fu grip. They'll be fighting the forces of W. and Cheney, along with their old nemesis, Ticketmaster (the Death Star of the enemy). You'll have PJ's sweetened cereal, with an action toy in the box - a member of the band with their own instrument (which is really a laser gun).
Nah, it was a commercial, I don't know, I always thought they were above that shit...
Get a grip dude. They can't be depressed singing "Ten" songs their entire lives. So they have evolved a bit and so what if they're selling at Target and making a commercial. Is it REALLY such a problem??
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Seattle 2013
Nah, it was a commercial, I don't know, I always thought they were above that shit...
Get a grip dude. They can't be depressed singing "Ten" songs their entire lives. So they have evolved a bit and so what if they're selling at Target and making a commercial. Is it REALLY such a problem??
Not to mention, once upon a time, there was a commercial for Yield ...
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Nah, it was a commercial, I don't know, I always thought they were above that shit...
Get a grip dude. They can't be depressed singing "Ten" songs their entire lives. So they have evolved a bit and so what if they're selling at Target and making a commercial. Is it REALLY such a problem??
No, I just personally thought/hoped they wouldn't go that route.
next thing you know they'll be promoting a tour or *gasp* selling t-shirts!!!!!
ooooh what oh what will i do with all this leftover angst from the 90s?!?!
I don't think the fact that they made a commercial is the issue here. I think that most complaints about the Backspacer commercial is that it's not very good. Let's face it: it's a couple of mid-40's hipsters playing a pop song in front of a bunch of fake fans.
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for the least they could possibly do
I KNOW! I didn't even come on here when I saw the commerical. I can just imagine everyone getting their panties in a twist.
Um, let's see, these guys have a career, they need to make money like many of us (all I would think) and without advertising themselves, how would people other than the privelaged ones in the fanclub know about a new album?
OH and Cameron Crowe did the video, do you people know who he is???
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001081/
Not to shabby if you ask me, but hell, what do I know, I liked the video.
"do gay midgets come out of the cupboard"
~CreedDisease~
10/27/06
Guess what...it costs money to make an album. To make it and mass distribute it without the help of a record label costs an incredible amount of money. I'm not saying Pearl Jam doesn't have the money to do it, but you can't honestly expect them to spend that much money doing it themselves and then not even fucking try to push the album.
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
They probably don't need to make any more money, but they are also trying to show bands that things can be done differently. As to being associated with a retail chain how is it any different then when they were under Sony and they sold their album at all the big boxes?
I find it odd how they make an exclusive with one retail chain and they apparently sold out, how else will they get the album out there. For whatever reasons they thought it made more sense to work with one company rather then all of them. They have to some how inform people where the album is being sold, not everyone follows the band and knows that they have an exclusive with Target.
It is just a commercial promoting their album, it doesn't have at the end that you should get some sprite and toilet paper while at the store.
I understand that, but even before, when they were under a label they never resorted to this. Thay never pushed the album, they never had to, and I think they still don,t.
and as far as selling out, that is crap. do the members of PJ have other jobs and do the music on the side? no, the music is their job. why not promote what makes their livelihood a success? for fucks sake, they released the album on their own label!
indie is selling out too though, i guess. i mean they used to have a record label and now they strayed from it and did their own thing so there you have it.
The label did the work for them.
Who's supposed to do the work now?
You can't release an album and do no work for it. Just ask Axl Rose how that strategy worked out for him.
If you think PJ has sold out with doing a Target exclusive deal so they get 2.5X more money and thus a commercial to promote it, than the fact that Cameron Crowe directed it won't matter.
Second, Cameron Crowe directs movies which doesn't mean he's going to be able to direct a good music video. It doesn't even mean he's going to direct every movie well.
I don't really care so much to argue whether or not they have gone against what they used to preach upon, but I really do not like the direction of the video. The screens in the background are beyond cheesy and the likelihood is that they were put there so they could sub in some nice Target logos in the background later on. And it makes me dizzy - its got the feel of a teeny-bopper type band to me.
but to each their own - I just dont get why a lot of people's instant response to criticism of the commercial for Target is 'Hey- its Cameron Crowe. You DO know who he is right? He's like... a FAMOUS director and he like knows how to use like a lot of video equipment.'
ok, That I get. But I just can't remember any serious promotion that the labels used to do, or had to do.
Yeah..it sucks how they have made this album widely available across america as well as vinyl at a realistic price, while offering a cool shirt to help feed the poor. i hate it when bands do that. jesus.
Every album they have ever put out was "widely available". That's not the point. I
Ok, I know. I feel the same. I am not entirely comfortable with this big box collaboration either. But at least they are not being totally selfish. They dont HAVE to offer a charity shirt. Or sell the vinyl and CD cheap. Or give us 2 concert downloads. They could just sell the disc for 16 and the record for 30. If widespread promotion is "selling out" then this is the best compromise i think.
Label promotional efforts definitely tapered off over the years, but I don't think the band cared all that much, either. You'd still see posters and stickers and the like when an album came out, but nothing like in the Vs.-Vitalogy heyday.
Well, the band definitely cares now-they have to since they had to put all the money into the recording on their own- and they don't have the label to do the work. So they need to do different things than what they're accustomed to, and that includes promotion of their own.
ha ha
whats wrong with cheese anyways? i don't get that...
i happen to really like cheddar
mmmm cheddar
Good point. You make sense. Maybe its all just a sign of the times... or I'm just guilty of the whole "pedistal" thing...
what's tv?
i gave up on that and now im addicted to internet porn
damn
Very suspect them having a commercial like this after all they used to stand for.
The concert downloads cost them nothing outside of bandwith since they didn't pick anything that hasn't been previously released, and is nothing more than a marketing tool to get people to Target to buy the CD.
The shirt is definitely cool though and I'm glad they had that partnership in there. Sure everyone makes more money through it, but at least charity gets a lot as well.
Get a grip dude. They can't be depressed singing "Ten" songs their entire lives. So they have evolved a bit and so what if they're selling at Target and making a commercial. Is it REALLY such a problem??
Albuquerque 2000
Denver 2006
Chicago 2009
Seattle 2013
Not to mention, once upon a time, there was a commercial for Yield ...
for the least they could possibly do
No, I just personally thought/hoped they wouldn't go that route.
next thing you know they'll be promoting a tour or *gasp* selling t-shirts!!!!!
ooooh what oh what will i do with all this leftover angst from the 90s?!?!
I don't think the fact that they made a commercial is the issue here. I think that most complaints about the Backspacer commercial is that it's not very good. Let's face it: it's a couple of mid-40's hipsters playing a pop song in front of a bunch of fake fans.
The Yield commercial was good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzjOXidORYg
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