"We fought our way through eight records at Sony and J to get ourselves in a position where we could cut a deal to get paid $5 a record, rather than $1.50 or $2." - Stone
Again I'm not upset about them giving Target the record because they should try to make as much as they can, but I am not going to listen to people saying this was motivated by doing right for us fans or doing something that was not based on a financial reason.
And?
And...
People that continually come on here saying the band released the album this way to remain fan-friendly are lying just as much as the people who think they've completely sold out their beliefs to partner with Target. That quote from Stone is as telling as it can be - this was a money decision which doesn't bother me because it is how our economy works, but it was definitely not done in the best interest of fans.
It drives me nuts that we have people on here that bash any little thing the band does, and it annoys me just as much that there are people on here that will defend the most ridiculous positions for I guess hope that their post is tacked up on the bulletin board of the TC offices.
People that continually come on here saying the band released the album this way to remain fan-friendly are lying just as much as the people who think they've completely sold out their beliefs to partner with Target. That quote from Stone is as telling as it can be - this was a money decision which doesn't bother me because it is how our economy works, but it was definitely not done in the best interest of fans.
But I don't think it hurts the fans, either. At worst, it's neutral.
In fact, it could be argued that their supposedly fan-friendly fight against Ticketmaster did much more damage to the fans than this deal with Target ever could. They played like eight shows a year and you could never get a ticket.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
But I don't think it hurts the fans, either. At worst, it's neutral.
In fact, it could be argued that their supposedly fan-friendly fight against Ticketmaster did much more damage to the fans than this deal with Target ever could. They played like eight shows a year and you could never get a ticket.
It doesn't really hurt the fans, but it certainly doesn't help to have to go to Target or one of the few indie stores to buy an album compared to the past where you could go to BEst Buy, Wal-Mart, Amazon, Kmart, etc, etc.
I'm with you on your point though - my point is that people who say they did this for fans are not being honest. It was a money decision to do it the way they did and they've as much as said that.
But I don't think it hurts the fans, either. At worst, it's neutral.
In fact, it could be argued that their supposedly fan-friendly fight against Ticketmaster did much more damage to the fans than this deal with Target ever could. They played like eight shows a year and you could never get a ticket.
It doesn't really hurt the fans, but it certainly doesn't help to have to go to Target or one of the few indie stores to buy an album compared to the past where you could go to BEst Buy, Wal-Mart, Amazon, Kmart, etc, etc.
I'm with you on your point though - my point is that people who say they did this for fans are not being honest. It was a money decision to do it the way they did and they've as much as said that.
But I don't think it hurts the fans, either. At worst, it's neutral.
In fact, it could be argued that their supposedly fan-friendly fight against Ticketmaster did much more damage to the fans than this deal with Target ever could. They played like eight shows a year and you could never get a ticket.
It doesn't really hurt the fans, but it certainly doesn't help to have to go to Target or one of the few indie stores to buy an album compared to the past where you could go to BEst Buy, Wal-Mart, Amazon, Kmart, etc, etc.
I'm with you on your point though - my point is that people who say they did this for fans are not being honest. It was a money decision to do it the way they did and they've as much as said that.
Well, yeah. I just don't care, ya know? As long as they don't use the money to murder kittens or something.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
But I don't think it hurts the fans, either. At worst, it's neutral.
In fact, it could be argued that their supposedly fan-friendly fight against Ticketmaster did much more damage to the fans than this deal with Target ever could. They played like eight shows a year and you could never get a ticket.
It doesn't really hurt the fans, but it certainly doesn't help to have to go to Target or one of the few indie stores to buy an album compared to the past where you could go to BEst Buy, Wal-Mart, Amazon, Kmart, etc, etc.
I'm with you on your point though - my point is that people who say they did this for fans are not being honest. It was a money decision to do it the way they did and they've as much as said that.
Well, yeah. I just don't care, ya know? As long as they don't use the money to murder kittens or something.
During the Sony Epic eran distribution was a given. It was a physical piece of material (CD) that you purchased at your local music/record store (indie store, HMV, Virgin Records, Tower Records). Thus there were no "distribution" deals needed per se. As a result, there was no need for Pearl Jam (the artist) or Sony Epic (their label) to tell viewers where to actually buy the album. Sony Epic held the cards both with regard to the artist a,d the retailers so there was no need for Sony Epic to have a Sony Epic logo anyway on the Yield commercial.
The industry has changed immensely. Music is pirated and all the players are getting fucked. Pearl Jam is fortunate enough not to have to get bent over anymore by a label like new bands trying to make a name for themselves, but in striking out on there own distribution is no longer a given and wih regard to physical copies (CDs) big box retailers hold far more clout now given that MP3s and pirating has bankrupted the indie stores, HMVs, Virgins etc.
So guess what? Promotion of both the artists' creative effort (the album-Backspacer) and the distribution strategy (the retailer-Target) is needed in this day and age unless you want them to make records to the 100 or so of us that are on this board. Plus, some of us aging fanbase can't keep track of the still standing indie record stores. Target is where a lot of even PJ fans shop.
The point is, Sony used to pay for the promotion. Radio, target, walmart, best buy, etc . Sony used to do all the promos. There were yield commercials, binaural commercials. Heck, j records did some commercials.
Other than a fan club, who is insane, pj needs a way to get their music out.
You make it sound like they sold "Alive" to a drug company.
The day I hear "Corduroy" in an Old Navy commercial, I will be upset. Or "Betterman" in a match.com commercial.
A 10 second blip telling people that their album is available is no big deal. They've been doing it for years.
The point is, Sony used to pay for the promotion. Radio, target, walmart, best buy, etc . Sony used to do all the promos. There were yield commercials, binaural commercials. Heck, j records did some commercials.
Other than a fan club, who is insane, pj needs a way to get their music out.
You make it sound like they sold "Alive" to a drug company.
The day I hear "Corduroy" in an Old Navy commercial, I will be upset. Or "Betterman" in a match.com commercial.
A 10 second blip telling people that their album is available is no big deal. They've been doing it for years.
I've always wanted to hear Oceans in a Tampax commercial.
"Hold on to the thread ..."
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
The point is, Sony used to pay for the promotion. Radio, target, walmart, best buy, etc . Sony used to do all the promos. There were yield commercials, binaural commercials. Heck, j records did some commercials.
Other than a fan club, who is insane, pj needs a way to get their music out.
You make it sound like they sold "Alive" to a drug company.
The day I hear "Corduroy" in an Old Navy commercial, I will be upset. Or "Betterman" in a match.com commercial.
A 10 second blip telling people that their album is available is no big deal. They've been doing it for years.
I've always wanted to hear Oceans in a Tampax commercial.
"Hold on to the thread ..."
to the original poster. they have always made tv commercials and been extremely commercial. their music is of incredibly high quality and they have a conscience though so who cares? be proud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get in a good space and listen to amongst the waves and forget all that other shit.
I think I saw Jeff once bashing one on the street with a 10-string bass.
Dude, it was a twelve string. If you don't think he brings the extra two against a calico kitty, well you just don't know the Jam.
was it a double neck so he could bash two calicos with one bass?
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I just saw it during Colbert, liked it just fine; I especially liked the shots of Stone -- the longer hair suits him well. I seem to remember a TV ad for Yield featuring GTF, really not having a problem with this at all.
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I just saw it during Colbert, liked it just fine; I especially liked the shots of Stone -- the longer hair suits him well. I seem to remember a TV ad for Yield featuring GTF, really not having a problem with this at all.
I just saw it during Colbert, liked it just fine; I especially liked the shots of Stone -- the longer hair suits him well. I seem to remember a TV ad for Yield featuring GTF, really not having a problem with this at all.
So giant corporation Sony signs young band to ludicrously long contract just in case they break out, and when they break out and sell millions of albums, Sony still has the right to pay them shit for a decade, like they do every other band, and finally after 15+ years of being slaves to that, Pearl Jam gets their freedom to do what they want, when they want, and finally actually make the money they deserve from their albums and their artistry, instead of relying mostly on touring, and half the board harkens back to the good old days?
And does Target usually put blurbs at the end of their commercials about buying whatever is in the ad elsewhere?
I found that "also available on itunes" a bit weird for a "target" commercial.
i just want to play Hooker With a Penis as loud as possible on repeat to anyone who starts crying about selling out.
I met a boy wearing vans, 501s, and a
Dope beastie t, nipple rings, and
New tattoos that claimed that he
Was ogt,
From 92,
The first ep.
And in between
Sips of coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin out,
Layin down,
Suckin up
To the man.
Well now Ive got some
A-dvice for you, little buddy.
Before you point the finger
You should know that
Im the man,
And if Im the man,
Then youre the man, and
Hes the man as well so you can
Point that fuckin finger up your ass.
All you know about me is what Ive sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.
So Ive got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
Im the man,
If Im the fuckin man
Then youre the fuckin man as well
So you can
Point that fuckin finger up your ass.
All you know about me is what Ive sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.
All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on tv
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar
So...shut up and
Buy my new record
Send more money
Fuck you, buddy.
I think a lot of people are missing the point of the Target deal completely. Yes Target is a big corporation but Sony was a lot bigger corporation and nobody bitched about that. When the band was in a record deal they were employees of that company and the only real money they were making was on touring not off album sales. So why would they want to do all that work promoting just to line someone else's pocket? Now they are basically self employed and you see that they are working harder to get awareness out for the new album, it is the first work that they have done for themselves on their label. In the previous deal where they sold like 30 million albums they only were making 1-2 dollars off of each one sold so Sony made something like $250 million while the band only made like $50 million. Target cut them a deal where they are getting $5 an album plus allowed them to sell it at indie shops and online so it seems to me that the big evil Target Corporation actually did the band a solid and let them do it on their terms. And just maybe they are ready to be famous rock stars again and aren't going try to hide from it for ever. I think they can do whatever the fuck they like and that is what they will do. So bitch and moan.
The only way I would not be a proud fan is the day they have the same setlist printed on the all acess passes for each show. Promoting their music on TV to the masses and selling the album through Target, no problem what so ever. Although if it was Wal-Mart then I would be disappointed.
you know, it's not technically a Target commercial... it's a commercial for the album, which is sold at Target. If you're going to step outside of the major label world, you have to do SOME promotion...
now, as to the look and feel of the spot, I can't argue that... but we can't begrudge the guys doing something to promote their album -
Agree 100%
Thank you fellow 10 clubber for saving my ass....again!!!
personally i think the commercial really sucks, but yeah, that's just me. also makes me cringe, too, to see them in a target commercial, but the deal is a hell of a lot better than the wal-mart exclusives that cut out everyone else, like the ones kiss and ac/dc signed...
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People that continually come on here saying the band released the album this way to remain fan-friendly are lying just as much as the people who think they've completely sold out their beliefs to partner with Target. That quote from Stone is as telling as it can be - this was a money decision which doesn't bother me because it is how our economy works, but it was definitely not done in the best interest of fans.
It drives me nuts that we have people on here that bash any little thing the band does, and it annoys me just as much that there are people on here that will defend the most ridiculous positions for I guess hope that their post is tacked up on the bulletin board of the TC offices.
But I don't think it hurts the fans, either. At worst, it's neutral.
In fact, it could be argued that their supposedly fan-friendly fight against Ticketmaster did much more damage to the fans than this deal with Target ever could. They played like eight shows a year and you could never get a ticket.
for the least they could possibly do
I'm with you on your point though - my point is that people who say they did this for fans are not being honest. It was a money decision to do it the way they did and they've as much as said that.
Exactly.
Well, yeah. I just don't care, ya know? As long as they don't use the money to murder kittens or something.
for the least they could possibly do
Oh, they will. The fucking hate kittens.
I think I saw Jeff once bashing one on the street with a 10-string bass.
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The industry has changed immensely. Music is pirated and all the players are getting fucked. Pearl Jam is fortunate enough not to have to get bent over anymore by a label like new bands trying to make a name for themselves, but in striking out on there own distribution is no longer a given and wih regard to physical copies (CDs) big box retailers hold far more clout now given that MP3s and pirating has bankrupted the indie stores, HMVs, Virgins etc.
So guess what? Promotion of both the artists' creative effort (the album-Backspacer) and the distribution strategy (the retailer-Target) is needed in this day and age unless you want them to make records to the 100 or so of us that are on this board. Plus, some of us aging fanbase can't keep track of the still standing indie record stores. Target is where a lot of even PJ fans shop.
Dude, it was a twelve string. If you don't think he brings the extra two against a calico kitty, well you just don't know the Jam.
Other than a fan club, who is insane, pj needs a way to get their music out.
You make it sound like they sold "Alive" to a drug company.
The day I hear "Corduroy" in an Old Navy commercial, I will be upset. Or "Betterman" in a match.com commercial.
A 10 second blip telling people that their album is available is no big deal. They've been doing it for years.
Nuclear fission
I've always wanted to hear Oceans in a Tampax commercial.
"Hold on to the thread ..."
for the least they could possibly do
Stop being so critical people. It's about the album - not some commercial that no one will remember in 6 months time. I don't see a problem here.
Point well-taken...
was it a double neck so he could bash two calicos with one bass?
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yep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzjOXidO ... L&index=32
And does Target usually put blurbs at the end of their commercials about buying whatever is in the ad elsewhere?
I found that "also available on itunes" a bit weird for a "target" commercial.
Agree 100%
*waves from across the pond*
All we get advertised is shit "celeb" magazines and feckin annoying cleaning products with some twat called Barry Scott. Think yourself lucky!
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