Got to admit, this commercial bothers me a bit. That's my opinion. Also to all the people that practically quote Kelly Curtis ("Target's a corporation, but so was Sony...") when defending this deal, give it a rest. We all read the same article.
On a more positive note, I'm loving the album!
The world is different now. People STEAL music without thinking twice. Consequently the rules for promoting and distributing music has changed. People trivialize this major thing. They want their band to stick to approaches that worked in kinder times.
Lately the band's actions have really disconnected me as a fan, and that makes me sad. I still really like the music, Backspacer is great. But the Fixer as a song, and the video, and this commercial. It all seems very Fall Out Boy.
Lately the band's actions have really disconnected me as a fan, and that makes me sad. I still really like the music, Backspacer is great. But the Fixer as a song, and the video, and this commercial. It all seems very Fall Out Boy.
Fall Out Boy? Really? You're gonna go with Fall Out Boy. What actions?! So they made a video of the catchiest song on the album and are using it to promote and sell the album! Big fucking deal!
Ledbetterman 10 is absolutely right, the Yield commercial was cool....This Target thing is a hideous skit, that had a fake audience with bad acting
Yeah I don't give a shit if the commercial promotes Target or if it makes PJ "sellouts" or whatever. I'm critical of this commercial (and The Fixer video in general) from a artistic standpoint. The Alive and Even Flow videos were performance videos. But the band got tired of that and Jeremy, Do the Evolution, and Life Wasted all had some artistic merit. But The Fixer was a complete 180 back to just playing in front of people. But without the realism of...ya know...playing in front of REAL fans like the Alive and Even Flow videos have, this video comes off very poorly to me.
I think Cameron Crowe is big part of the problem with this vid.
Lately the band's actions have really disconnected me as a fan, and that makes me sad. I still really like the music, Backspacer is great. But the Fixer as a song, and the video, and this commercial. It all seems very Fall Out Boy.
Then go away. Nobody is forcing you to stay on the bandwagon.
I swear, some people just like to hear themselves bitch.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Ledbetterman 10 is absolutely right, the Yield commercial was cool....This Target thing is a hideous skit, that had a fake audience with bad acting
Yeah I don't give a shit if the commercial promotes Target or if it makes PJ "sellouts" or whatever. I'm critical of this commercial (and The Fixer video in general) from a artistic standpoint. The Alive and Even Flow videos were performance videos. But the band got tired of that and Jeremy, Do the Evolution, and Life Wasted all had some artistic merit. But The Fixer was a complete 180 back to just playing in front of people. But without the realism of...ya know...playing in front of REAL fans like the Alive and Even Flow videos have, this video comes off very poorly to me.
And I think Cameron Crowe is big part of the problem with this vid.
the saddest part is that the actors were more energetic than most "real" pj fans.
Ledbetterman 10 is absolutely right, the Yield commercial was cool....This Target thing is a hideous skit, that had a fake audience with bad acting
Yeah I don't give a shit if the commercial promotes Target or if it makes PJ "sellouts" or whatever. I'm critical of this commercial (and The Fixer video in general) from a artistic standpoint. The Alive and Even Flow videos were performance videos. But the band got tired of that and Jeremy, Do the Evolution, and Life Wasted all had some artistic merit. But The Fixer was a complete 180 back to just playing in front of people. But without the realism of...ya know...playing in front of REAL fans like the Alive and Even Flow videos have, this video comes off very poorly to me.
And I think Cameron Crowe is big part of the problem with this vid.
That's a fair enough take.
It's not a great piece of art. I just don't give a shit. It's a video I will never see once on TV, and a commercial I might see a handful of times and never see again. It's such an insignificant thing, that I don't think I've really taken much time to analyze it.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Yield commercial wasn't also promoting a fucking huge corporate retail company!
Neither is this one. It is promoting Pearl Jam.
So you're trying to tell me that no where in the commercial is there any promotion for the Target store? No target logos floating around? No Target mentioned?
The Yield commercial has no chroma-keyed Sony logos, no mention of Sony. Nothing. Its a promotion for the album, which happens to be on the Sony label.
Ledbetterman 10 is absolutely right, the Yield commercial was cool....This Target thing is a hideous skit, that had a fake audience with bad acting
Yeah I don't give a shit if the commercial promotes Target or if it makes PJ "sellouts" or whatever. I'm critical of this commercial (and The Fixer video in general) from a artistic standpoint. The Alive and Even Flow videos were performance videos. But the band got tired of that and Jeremy, Do the Evolution, and Life Wasted all had some artistic merit. But The Fixer was a complete 180 back to just playing in front of people. But without the realism of...ya know...playing in front of REAL fans like the Alive and Even Flow videos have, this video comes off very poorly to me.
And I think Cameron Crowe is big part of the problem with this vid.
the saddest part is that the actors were more energetic than most "real" pj fans.
They were all unemployed and just happy to be making a buck without having to resort to fellatio.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Yield commercial wasn't also promoting a fucking huge corporate retail company!
Neither is this one. It is promoting Pearl Jam.
So you're trying to tell me that no where in the commercial is there any promotion for the Target store? No target logos floating around? No Target mentioned?
The Yield commercial has no chroma-keyed Sony logos, no mention of Sony. Nothing. Its a promotion for the album, which happens to be on the Sony label.
You're right. I swear I hear Ed singing in that version of Fixer ... "If I'm out of sooaaaaap ... I just buy some more at Target!"
:roll: :roll:
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
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Targeting Pearl Jam
Jeff Miers
18 September 2009
Buffalo News
Slate.com has posted a piece entitled "The Last Sellouts," written by someone calling him/herself Jonah Weiner. The gist of the piece suggests that Pearl Jam has betrayed all of the principles it has long claimed to adhere to in order to forge some sort of Satanic alliance with Target .
That chain of stores will be selling the band's new album, "Backspacer," beginning on Sunday, a fact that Weiner posits as proof-positive that Eddie Vedder is a flannel-clad fake who claims to be a liberal while freely frolicking with massive capitalist corporations.
This is so bogus that it boggles the mind. Here are only a few of the reasons why Weiner is being a bit of a weenie:
- "Backspacer" is the first Pearl Jam album to come out minus a record label. The Monkeywrench imprint is Pearl Jam's own indie boutique. All of the previous Pearl Jam albums came out beneath the Sony umbrella. Isn't Sony a much bigger corporate behemoth than Target?
- Target has an "exclusive" on "Backspacer." But not really. iTunes will have the record on Sunday as well. And Pearl Jam is indeed doing trade with independent record stores across the country. The folks at Buffalo's own Record Theater told this writer earlier today that they will be offering "Backspacer" for sale on Sunday.
- The idea that somehow innocent Pear Jam fans will be lured into Target and find it necessary to make a whole buncha "impulse buys" on Sunday is laughable. It's incredibly easy to walk in, grab the disc, pay for it, and leave. I did just that when AC/DC "forced" me to brave entry into WalMart to buy their recent "Black Ice" album. I emerged unscathed, with nothing but "Black Ice" in my bag.
- "Backspacer" is an absolutely incredible record. That fact trumps concern over the mode of dissemination, rather handily.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Yes, Target's got some issues (in MN, we hear all about them), but they've also got some good things going on too.
Give the guys a break; most PJ fans are (or should be) well past the stage of holding up bands as icons or heroes...
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You're right. I swear I hear Ed singing in that version of Fixer ... "If I'm out of sooaaaaap ... I just buy some more at Target!"
:roll: :roll:
to be perfectly fair the commercial promotes both Pearl Jam and Target. It does - the Target logos are all over and at the end they make sure you know its only at Target.
If it was just for Pearl Jam it would say 'only at pearljam.com, Target and select independent record stores.'
It's a Target ad promoting Target and Pearl Jam. The Yield commercial promotes Pearl Jam which helps sony's bottom line but isn't promoting the Sony brand itself.
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if they were doing a commercial for best buy or walmart it would be a completely different story IMO
target is OK with me, mostly cause of who they aren't
"Oh so what? They've changed get over it, dey liek to play Creed now, who cares, if u dun like it den find anuva band!"
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no, it was promoting a fucking huge entertainment company.
sony, hello?
no it wasnt, never in the commercial did it say sony or have the sony logo
On a more positive note, I'm loving the album!
Fall Out Boy? Really? You're gonna go with Fall Out Boy. What actions?! So they made a video of the catchiest song on the album and are using it to promote and sell the album! Big fucking deal!
Neither is this one. It is promoting Pearl Jam.
Or, another way of looking at it, the Yield commercial was promoting Sony ... which is a bigger pain in the ass than Target could ever think of being.
for the least they could possibly do
Yeah I don't give a shit if the commercial promotes Target or if it makes PJ "sellouts" or whatever. I'm critical of this commercial (and The Fixer video in general) from a artistic standpoint. The Alive and Even Flow videos were performance videos. But the band got tired of that and Jeremy, Do the Evolution, and Life Wasted all had some artistic merit. But The Fixer was a complete 180 back to just playing in front of people. But without the realism of...ya know...playing in front of REAL fans like the Alive and Even Flow videos have, this video comes off very poorly to me.
I think Cameron Crowe is big part of the problem with this vid.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Then go away. Nobody is forcing you to stay on the bandwagon.
I swear, some people just like to hear themselves bitch.
for the least they could possibly do
the saddest part is that the actors were more energetic than most "real" pj fans.
That's a fair enough take.
It's not a great piece of art. I just don't give a shit. It's a video I will never see once on TV, and a commercial I might see a handful of times and never see again. It's such an insignificant thing, that I don't think I've really taken much time to analyze it.
for the least they could possibly do
So you're trying to tell me that no where in the commercial is there any promotion for the Target store? No target logos floating around? No Target mentioned?
The Yield commercial has no chroma-keyed Sony logos, no mention of Sony. Nothing. Its a promotion for the album, which happens to be on the Sony label.
They were all unemployed and just happy to be making a buck without having to resort to fellatio.
for the least they could possibly do
You're right. I swear I hear Ed singing in that version of Fixer ... "If I'm out of sooaaaaap ... I just buy some more at Target!"
:roll: :roll:
for the least they could possibly do
I said the same thing
I actively sought it out on youtube after reading this thread. Man, I wish I didn't do that.
Blogs
Targeting Pearl Jam
Jeff Miers
18 September 2009
Buffalo News
Slate.com has posted a piece entitled "The Last Sellouts," written by someone calling him/herself Jonah Weiner. The gist of the piece suggests that Pearl Jam has betrayed all of the principles it has long claimed to adhere to in order to forge some sort of Satanic alliance with Target .
That chain of stores will be selling the band's new album, "Backspacer," beginning on Sunday, a fact that Weiner posits as proof-positive that Eddie Vedder is a flannel-clad fake who claims to be a liberal while freely frolicking with massive capitalist corporations.
This is so bogus that it boggles the mind. Here are only a few of the reasons why Weiner is being a bit of a weenie:
- "Backspacer" is the first Pearl Jam album to come out minus a record label. The Monkeywrench imprint is Pearl Jam's own indie boutique. All of the previous Pearl Jam albums came out beneath the Sony umbrella. Isn't Sony a much bigger corporate behemoth than Target?
- Target has an "exclusive" on "Backspacer." But not really. iTunes will have the record on Sunday as well. And Pearl Jam is indeed doing trade with independent record stores across the country. The folks at Buffalo's own Record Theater told this writer earlier today that they will be offering "Backspacer" for sale on Sunday.
- The idea that somehow innocent Pear Jam fans will be lured into Target and find it necessary to make a whole buncha "impulse buys" on Sunday is laughable. It's incredibly easy to walk in, grab the disc, pay for it, and leave. I did just that when AC/DC "forced" me to brave entry into WalMart to buy their recent "Black Ice" album. I emerged unscathed, with nothing but "Black Ice" in my bag.
- "Backspacer" is an absolutely incredible record. That fact trumps concern over the mode of dissemination, rather handily.
for the least they could possibly do
Yeah, don't do that. It's not great. It just is.
for the least they could possibly do
Damn you!
for the least they could possibly do
If we just agree to take what Wikipedia says about Target at face value, its a pretty mixed bag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_Corporation).
Yes, Target's got some issues (in MN, we hear all about them), but they've also got some good things going on too.
Give the guys a break; most PJ fans are (or should be) well past the stage of holding up bands as icons or heroes...
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
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2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
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2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
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Sometimes there are things that you can't unsee. This is one of them. Fucking crap.
If it was just for Pearl Jam it would say 'only at pearljam.com, Target and select independent record stores.'
It's a Target ad promoting Target and Pearl Jam. The Yield commercial promotes Pearl Jam which helps sony's bottom line but isn't promoting the Sony brand itself.