Ten club pairs at the shows- observation

Lauri

Jim Tressel wrote:

So of this 10% female population, how many would you consider physically attractive? I would like to see someone answer that honestly.

1) why on earth would this matter and/or be interesting
2) why don't we ask what percentage of the male fan base are "physically attractive"?

U R A Crazy Breed

Jim Tressel wrote:

So of this 10% female population, how many would you consider physically attractive? I would like to see someone answer that honestly.

wtf does this have to do with anything? shallow bastard!!...and yeah...i'm a dude!!

Lauri

peacegirl wrote:

and it actually seems to me that anyone that goes alone seems to be in the minority

true. people seem to be afraid to do anything alone. something I don't quite get.

polaris_x

Lauri wrote:

peacegirl wrote:

and it actually seems to me that anyone that goes alone seems to be in the minority

true. people seem to be afraid to do anything alone. something I don't quite get.

social construct dictates a lot of things that don't quite make sense

Songburst

Lauri wrote:

Jim Tressel wrote:

So of this 10% female population, how many would you consider physically attractive? I would like to see someone answer that honestly.

1) why on earth would this matter and/or be interesting
2) why don't we ask what percentage of the male fan base are "physically attractive"?

1) It's great message board fodder. Guys can be pug fugly and play the guitar and/or sing (or maybe it's just the rich and famous part) and that is enough. Girls have to be attractive to make up for their lack of taste in music. However Pearl Jam liking girls have great taste in music so they don't necessarily have to be attractive. I guess the question is really then, how many girls are at the PJ show only because they wanted to go shopping in Chicago (or New York or LA or Toronto or Thunder Bay).

2) We have already established that it doesn't matter if males are physically attractive -- as long as they can play guitar, they can get girls.

TravisTheSky

mrpink90 wrote:

haha I love how the women here are getting all defensive

most girls dont go to concerts alone

"thats not true i go alone!"

most girls arent fans of rock music

"thats not true me and my friends love rock!"


well duh, of course theres exceptions to every rule, you wouldnt be here if you didnt love rock music and pearl jam. But think about it this way: whats the ratio of men to women on this message board? 10 to 1?

Guys are much more simpler than girls, especially when it comes to music. You ask white guys (and 99% of pj fans are white, except for dennis rodman haha) what kinda music they like, and the vast majority are gonna say rock. You ask girls that same question and i guarantee you'll get a much broader answer (r&b, dance, pop, rock, etc)

How many girls you see going alone to sporting events? or girls going together to sporting events? Not many, simply because theres far more guys into sports than girls, similar to rock music (but probably to a lesser extent with the rock music)

And most girls are not gonna go to any kind of concert or major event by themselves, theres no denying that. My gf loves music but had been to like 2 concerts before we met (blink 182), since we've been together we've seen pj a couple times, bruce a couple times, black crowes, foo fighters, etc. She'd never think to go to a concert alone (like most girls), whereas i drove 4 hours to reading pa to see pj solo on the vote for change tour. Who knows whether its a safety thing or a "needy" thing, but its definitely the truth.

Ahh, I've noticed something in your post, Mister 'Pink:' You go on and on about how wimpy girls are. I did not bother to count the number of times you used the term girls. But twice, you used the word women. "The women here are getting all defensive." What's the ratio of men to women on this board?"

Girls are female children. Of course they are afraid to be alone. Perhaps if you had women in your life instead of girls, you would not find much to complain about. I'm over 18, I prefer the company of adults.

igotid_8

If I had a girl, I would bring her to a show.

Actually, my wish is to meet my future wife at a PJ show.

Wish still unfulfilled, but I've seen some great shows!

Lauri

TravisTheSky wrote:

mrpink90 wrote:

haha I love how the women here are getting all defensive

most girls dont go to concerts alone

"thats not true i go alone!"

most girls arent fans of rock music

"thats not true me and my friends love rock!"


well duh, of course theres exceptions to every rule, you wouldnt be here if you didnt love rock music and pearl jam. But think about it this way: whats the ratio of men to women on this message board? 10 to 1?

Guys are much more simpler than girls, especially when it comes to music. You ask white guys (and 99% of pj fans are white, except for dennis rodman haha) what kinda music they like, and the vast majority are gonna say rock. You ask girls that same question and i guarantee you'll get a much broader answer (r&b, dance, pop, rock, etc)

How many girls you see going alone to sporting events? or girls going together to sporting events? Not many, simply because theres far more guys into sports than girls, similar to rock music (but probably to a lesser extent with the rock music)

And most girls are not gonna go to any kind of concert or major event by themselves, theres no denying that. My gf loves music but had been to like 2 concerts before we met (blink 182), since we've been together we've seen pj a couple times, bruce a couple times, black crowes, foo fighters, etc. She'd never think to go to a concert alone (like most girls), whereas i drove 4 hours to reading pa to see pj solo on the vote for change tour. Who knows whether its a safety thing or a "needy" thing, but its definitely the truth.

Ahh, I've noticed something in your post, Mister 'Pink:' You go on and on about how wimpy girls are. I did not bother to count the number of times you used the term girls. But twice, you used the word women. "The women here are getting all defensive." What's the ratio of men to women on this board?"

Girls are female children. Of course they are afraid to be alone. Perhaps if you had women in your life instead of girls, you would not find much to complain about. I'm over 18, I prefer the company of adults.

Travisthesky, excellent point about girls vs. women! I actually think Mr. Pink would be statistically wrong in his claim that women go places alone less than men. I've read that women are more comfortable going to places alone because they are more comfortable talking to people they don't know, and this seems to fit my personal observations. When I have traveled to PJ shows and met other fans, I have definitely noticed that the women are much more out going than the men and willing to chat with strangers, even so much as saying to the person next to you, "hey, this show is gonna be awesome!"

The vast majority of women I know are extremely independent. Most aren't rock fans, no, but the going places alone explanation as to why women aren't at PJ shows really isn't making sense to me. Most women I know have traveled all over the world alone at some point. Most men I know wouldn't go to movies or restaurants alone, but most women I know would. Most single women I know live alone, while most single men I know live with roommates.

I think the women who are rock fans are going to be quite used to going places alone. When I was in high school and college, I relied on male friends to go to shows with. After I graduated from college, it seemed I didn't have many male friends around, and none of my female friends liked rock music. I started going to a lot of shows with my brother, but at that time he was still too young to go to a lot of shows, and he didn't always want to go to the same shows as me. I quickly learned that if I was ever going to see bands I liked, I was going to have to go alone. I have to say, while it can be kind of boring at times, like between sets and stuff, it's really fun to show up at a show maybe without a ticket, and just have no one else to worry about. Once I got used to going to shows alone, a lot of other stuff followed. Now I pretty much do whatever I want, whenever I want, and rarely ever even think of asking other people to come!

with respect to the men having simpler taste in music than women...I find this an interesting take, but I think you're just rephrasing the idea that women like crap music. I think the answer is something cultural that happens around puberty- but I don't know what it is. It seems that people form their lasting musical tastes somewhere around junior high, and there's something that determines how much you care about music that happens around that time too.

My current theory is as follows (I've been thinking about this all day): As for tastes, maybe since girls mature faster than boys, they get into popular music at a younger age (when you think about it, little boys are rarely interested in pop music, but girls often are). But because they are still young the music available and/or that appeals to them is poppy stuff. Some women, like myself, cut their teeth on this stuff but then move on...but something must happen to the others.

And that might be the cultural aspect - what makes people really care about something like popular music. If you think back to music and high school- especially for those of us who were teenagers in the 80s and 90s- it really plays a huge role in giving you an identity. Half the people in my high school were identified based on what kind of music they listened to. Maybe girls have more options of things to base their identities on at this age, so rock music falls to the back burner.

The other thing that can't be ignored is the lack of female role models in rock music. Most of the most influential bands in history are all male. I think in the 90s there was an influx of female rock musicians, but they were never that huge and that trend seems to have faded pretty quickly. Less girls become fans because there's less for them to relate to, and it becomes a cycle.

Minou

This is a great thread.

In my opinion, many women are turned off by some rock bands because the music and the culture can have misogynist undertones. How can women relate to something that excludes them? Yes, there are many amazing female musicians, but there really is no female equivalent to a band like Pearl Jam. So, unless a real powerhouse group of female musicians come along, women who happen to like rock music will look to bands like Pearl Jam whose members have a feminist outlook--feminist as in "men and women are equal."

I agree with an earlier poster who pointed out that a man can be average by all accounts, but once he straps on a guitar and plays it well, his hotness factor goes through the roof. If a woman is average-looking and straps on a guitar and plays it well, she is still just an average-looking woman playing a guitar. What's with that?

Jeanwah

As one of the 5% of women die-hard fans, I've met some of the coolest women at PJ and EV shows. I'd almost rather go with a girlfriend who's really into them, or just meet up with people there, than go with my husband, just because things can get very interesting when you're flying solo, wandering aimlessly threw a crowd and being free. And although I've gone solo to some shows that weren't PJ shows, it certainly wouldn't stop me if I had to go solo to PJ. You always meet up with like-minded great people on the same wave-length. It's one of the great reasons I'm addicted to seeing live music in the first place.

hollyster70

I would prefer to go to a PJ concert with KD Lang if the alternative was going with some of the moronic males that have posted on this thread...you are truly are clueless. No wonder you have some much trouble finding the G-spot.

Shopping...chick flicks...Jesus H Christ. I'm going to vomit.

mrpink90

<<<Travisthesky, excellent point about girls vs. women! I actually think Mr. Pink would be statistically wrong in his claim that women go places alone less than men. I've read that women are more comfortable going to places alone because they are more comfortable talking to people they don't know, and this seems to fit my personal observations. When I have traveled to PJ shows and met other fans, I have definitely noticed that the women are much more out going than the men and willing to chat with strangers, even so much as saying to the person next to you, "hey, this show is gonna be awesome!">>>


The vast majority of women I know are extremely independent. Most aren't rock fans, no, but the going places alone explanation as to why women aren't at PJ shows really isn't making sense to me. Most women I know have traveled all over the world alone at some point. Most men I know wouldn't go to movies or restaurants alone, but most women I know would. Most single women I know live alone, while most single men I know live with roommates. >>>


At least i didnt call them chicks!As far as going places alone, i was mostly talking about concerts or sporting events. I think WOMEN would be less inclined to go somewhere alone when theres a good chance theyre gonna be surrounded by drunken guys. Much like a bar, youll see plenty of guys sitting at a bar alone, but very rarely do you see a woman sitting alone. And if she is it wont be for long haha A restaurant or movie you're pretty much gonna be left alone.

By the way im single and live alone so you're wrong!!!!

Jeanwah

Minou wrote:

In my opinion, many women are turned off by some rock bands because the music and the culture can have misogynist undertones. How can women relate to something that excludes them? Yes, there are many amazing female musicians, but there really is no female equivalent to a band like Pearl Jam. So, unless a real powerhouse group of female musicians come along, women who happen to like rock music will look to bands like Pearl Jam whose members have a feminist outlook--feminist as in "men and women are equal."

I don't know; although that could be an argument for some women, as a music lover from a young age, I never felt dissed because there were fewer women in Rock, I loved music for the music, not what the band's message was, or who was singing it (ok, I loved Jim Morrison a bit more simply because he was so hot), but the bottom line was never about the role model ideal.

I agree with an earlier poster who pointed out that a man can be average by all accounts, but once he straps on a guitar and plays it well, his hotness factor goes through the roof. If a woman is average-looking and straps on a guitar and plays it well, she is still just an average-looking woman playing a guitar. What's with that?

Now that's interesting, and I've never thought about it. Are women less attractive if they play? I'm sure it's hot for some people but yeah, the hotness factor just isn't the same for women, in general. Although, some women just have it...Joan Jett, for one, is still hot, even at 50.

mrpink90

hollyster70 wrote:

I would prefer to go to a PJ concert with KD Lang if the alternative was going with some of the moronic males that have posted on this thread...you are truly are clueless. No wonder you have some much trouble finding the G-spot.

Shopping...chick flicks...Jesus H Christ. I'm going to vomit.

Damn, I was about to ask if you wanted to go 1 of the philly shows with me, i guess not!!!

Minou

Jeanwah wrote:

Minou wrote:

I don't know; although that could be an argument for some women, as a music lover from a young age, I never felt dissed because there were fewer women in Rock, I loved music for the music, not what the band's message was, or who was singing it (ok, I loved Jim Morrison a bit more simply because he was so hot), but the bottom line was never about the role model ideal.

I agree with you about loving music regardless of who is playing it. But if you like really intense, loud rock music, it's hard to find a band that doesn't attract fans with that alienating macho mentality. It's pretty much everywhere. You know, "cock rock"- sorry, that's a gross term, but you know what I mean.

Minou

mrpink90 wrote:

hollyster70 wrote:

I would prefer to go to a PJ concert with KD Lang if the alternative was going with some of the moronic males that have posted on this thread...you are truly are clueless. No wonder you have some much trouble finding the G-spot.

Shopping...chick flicks...Jesus H Christ. I'm going to vomit.

Damn, I was about to ask if you wanted to go 1 of the philly shows with me, i guess not!!!

I'm game

Songburst

hollyster70 wrote:

I would prefer to go to a PJ concert with KD Lang if the alternative was going with some of the moronic males that have posted on this thread...you are truly are clueless. No wonder you have some much trouble finding the G-spot.

Shopping...chick flicks...Jesus H Christ. I'm going to vomit.

Ah are we really the clueless ones? Or is it the empowered woman who is so consumed by political correctness that they can't look at way-over-the-top sexism and have a laugh who is the clueless one?

And finding G-spot shots --- how degrading. Everyone knows the G-spot is in the mouth, no?

hollyster70

mrpink90 wrote:

hollyster70 wrote:

I would prefer to go to a PJ concert with KD Lang if the alternative was going with some of the moronic males that have posted on this thread...you are truly are clueless. No wonder you have some much trouble finding the G-spot.

Shopping...chick flicks...Jesus H Christ. I'm going to vomit.

Damn, I was about to ask if you wanted to go 1 of the philly shows with me, i guess not!!!

Well, let me finish watching the Notebook first...Then I'll need to google the mall nearest to the Spectrum. If there is a Victoria's Secret nearby I'm game. Gotta go buy some pink frilly undies.

81

guess i touched a nerve with the women of the board.


i'm just telling it how i see it. not everyone fits into the rule, but i believe the rule still holds validity.

see ya chicks in philly

mrpink90

hollyster70 wrote:

mrpink90 wrote:

hollyster70 wrote:

I would prefer to go to a PJ concert with KD Lang if the alternative was going with some of the moronic males that have posted on this thread...you are truly are clueless. No wonder you have some much trouble finding the G-spot.

Shopping...chick flicks...Jesus H Christ. I'm going to vomit.

Damn, I was about to ask if you wanted to go 1 of the philly shows with me, i guess not!!!

Well, let me finish watching the Notebook first...Then I'll need to google the mall nearest to the Spectrum. If there is a Victoria's Secret nearby I'm game. Gotta go buy some pink frilly undies.

I think im in love