Ten club pairs at the shows- observation

theboxerorthebag

you want to see a show with hardly any women, go to an Alice in Chains show. I went by myself (shocker! a woman going solo) and I felt like the only female there.

Lauri

polaris_x wrote:

pj is a frat boy band ... whether one likes that or not - it's the reality ...

See now that I see as weird concept. Back in the day Pearl Jam seemed like the anti-frat boy band. I mean I was only 14 so I didn't know any actual frat boys, but the high school kids that liked them were definitely not part of the prospective frat boy set- the kids who were really into rock music and/or "grunge" if you will were the kids that weren't popular, that weren't going to the keggers on fridays, but were probably sitting around picking songs out on their guitars and scribbling in notebooks trying to be like EV. I think of frat boy music as being like DMB or something.

And one guy here said women probably don't like them because "grunge" was seen as aggressive like punk and stuff, but then someone else said it's because it's frat boy music. Which is it? Those are two opposite explanations.

It just seems so weird to me- EV especially just seems like the type of musician that would appeal so much to women.

JLF78

theboxerorthebag wrote:

you want to see a show with hardly any women, go to an Alice in Chains show. I went by myself (shocker! a woman going solo) and I felt like the only female there.

Thanks for the heads up - my husband and I are seeing them in Sept.

decides2dream

Lauri wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

pj is a frat boy band ... whether one likes that or not - it's the reality ...

See now that I see as weird concept. Back in the day Pearl Jam seemed like the anti-frat boy band. I mean I was only 14 so I didn't know any actual frat boys, but the high school kids that liked them were definitely not part of the prospective frat boy set- the kids who were really into rock music and/or "grunge" if you will were the kids that weren't popular, that weren't going to the keggers on fridays, but were probably sitting around picking songs out on their guitars and scribbling in notebooks trying to be like EV. I think of frat boy music as being like DMB or something.

And one guy here said women probably don't like them because "grunge" was seen as aggressive like punk and stuff, but then someone else said it's because it's frat boy music. Which is it? Those are two opposite explanations.

It just seems so weird to me- EV especially just seems like the type of musician that would appeal so much to women.

absolutely.
besides, it's silly to think women don't like "agressive" music, plenty of us do!

i have seen pj probably more often with female friends, or a mix of friends, than with my husband. and that is rare, b/c before i started seeing pj live, mr. dream and i went to 98% of all our concerts together. then again, i never traveled around for any other band either. in any case, i traveled around italy in 2006 and 3 other countries in europe in 2007.....all with female friends, seeing pj, and yes...all my tix thru 10c. even within the states, usually when i travel for pj, i go with friends...sometimes female, sometimes male.....but we're all equally rabid fans. so you bet, i was never 'dragged' to see pj, if anything, my husband sees pj more b/c of me when they are in town, otherwise...i'm on my own!

polaris_x

Lauri wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

pj is a frat boy band ... whether one likes that or not - it's the reality ...

See now that I see as weird concept. Back in the day Pearl Jam seemed like the anti-frat boy band. I mean I was only 14 so I didn't know any actual frat boys, but the high school kids that liked them were definitely not part of the prospective frat boy set- the kids who were really into rock music and/or "grunge" if you will were the kids that weren't popular, that weren't going to the keggers on fridays, but were probably sitting around picking songs out on their guitars and scribbling in notebooks trying to be like EV. I think of frat boy music as being like DMB or something.

And one guy here said women probably don't like them because "grunge" was seen as aggressive like punk and stuff, but then someone else said it's because it's frat boy music. Which is it? Those are two opposite explanations.

It just seems so weird to me- EV especially just seems like the type of musician that would appeal so much to women.

you gotta remember - when you were 14 ... a lot of the guys you see at the show were in college or university ... pearl jam was mainstream rock at a time full of pop stuff ... if you were full of testosterone - even flow and alive did the trick ... the "alternative" scene then would shun anything mainstream ... it was the pixies or sonic youth or whoever ...

the reason i love the band is because of their depth as musicians and humans but for a lot of guys - it's about rocking out, having a beer with you buddies and having a great time ... which is totally cool ... but that's a good part of the crowd ...

maybe another way to look at it is thru movies: there are chick flicks and then there are guy flicks ... one can generalize that action flicks are for guys and romance movies are for girls ... pj is more action than it is romance ...

Lauri

polaris_x wrote:

maybe another way to look at it is thru movies: there are chick flicks and then there are guy flicks ... one can generalize that action flicks are for guys and romance movies are for girls ... pj is more action than it is romance ...

Well ok, putting aside the fact that I, and many other women, hate "chick flicks"...
Are you sure PJ is more action than romance? I would say definitely a bit of both...not romance like a chick flick mind you- one of my FAVORITE things about PJ is that they are extremely low on the love songs (seriously, other bands, come up with a new topic already) but they do have some love songs, and the ones they have aren't teenager love songs like The Airborne Toxic Event or so many of these other emo or indie rock bands...but real stories of love. You would think women would like that (or I guess, these are actually my least favorite PJ songs these days). But there's so much non-explicit romance in PJ's music, I don't even know how to describe it. Thinking back, I don't know how any 14 year-old girl on earth could not have been in love with EV, but even for grown women today, the songs are about stuff that women care about.

polaris_x

Lauri wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

maybe another way to look at it is thru movies: there are chick flicks and then there are guy flicks ... one can generalize that action flicks are for guys and romance movies are for girls ... pj is more action than it is romance ...

Well ok, putting aside the fact that I, and many other women, hate "chick flicks"...
Are you sure PJ is more action than romance? I would say definitely a bit of both...not romance like a chick flick mind you- one of my FAVORITE things about PJ is that they are extremely low on the love songs (seriously, other bands, come up with a new topic already) but they do have some love songs, and the ones they have aren't teenager love songs like The Airborne Toxic Event or so many of these other emo or indie rock bands...but real stories of love. You would think women would like that (or I guess, these are actually my least favorite PJ songs these days). But there's so much non-explicit romance in PJ's music, I don't even know how to describe it. Thinking back, I don't know how any 14 year-old girl on earth could not have been in love with EV, but even for grown women today, the songs are about stuff that women care about.

pearl jam is like WALL-E to me ... in appearance it seems like one thing but when you experience it - it's much more ... humanity and heart ...

Songburst

Lauri wrote:

and add to that the fact that band is comprised of 5 smoking hot men...I dunno, just seems weird to me. Probably a pointless post, but I'm just on a Pearl Jam high from the weekend.

Come on now. As talented and genuine as they are, those PJ guys (with the exception of maybe Jeff since he is over 5'2) wouldn't get a second look from the girls that they do if they didn't have guitars slung over their shoulders and were famous.

To answer your original question: the percentage of solo / paired girls that you see at PJ shows is about the percentage of girls who like rock music. 95% of the girls that I have met will blare "This shit is bananas b-a-n-a-n-a-s" out of their cars/IPODS/whatever and love it because girls tend to go for dance music (which is music that I find repulsive -- so it seems that many dance music lovers, ie girls and Camaro-drivers, would find PJs music repulsive). It's in their genes -- it's quite similar to the math and science debate at schools everywhere (why aren't there any female engineers?) -- walk into an electrical or mechanical engineering classroom anywhere in the world and you would be hard-pressed to find 5% females. Same shit -- different category.

theboxerorthebag

I don't know where to start with this. First of all, Ed is attractive no matter what he is doing for a living.

And I don't know of any of my female friends that blast ""This shit is bananas b-a-n-a-n-a-s" out of their cars/IPODS/whatever." And the it's in their genes comment...very offensive.


Come on now. As talented and genuine as they are, those PJ guys (with the exception of maybe Jeff since he is over 5'2) wouldn't get a second look from the girls that they do if they didn't have guitars slung over their shoulders and were famous.

To answer your original question: the percentage of solo / paired girls that you see at PJ shows is about the percentage of girls who like rock music. 95% of the girls that I have met will blare "This shit is bananas b-a-n-a-n-a-s" out of their cars/IPODS/whatever and love it because girls tend to go for dance music (which is music that I find repulsive -- so it seems that many dance music lovers, ie girls and Camaro-drivers, would find PJs music repulsive). It's in their genes -- it's quite similar to the math and science debate at schools everywhere (why aren't there any female engineers?) -- walk into an electrical or mechanical engineering classroom anywhere in the world and you would be hard-pressed to find 5% females. Same shit -- different category.[/quote]

Lauri

Songburst wrote:

Lauri wrote:

and add to that the fact that band is comprised of 5 smoking hot men...I dunno, just seems weird to me. Probably a pointless post, but I'm just on a Pearl Jam high from the weekend.

Come on now. As talented and genuine as they are, those PJ guys (with the exception of maybe Jeff since he is over 5'2) wouldn't get a second look from the girls that they do if they didn't have guitars slung over their shoulders and were famous.

well number 1, talent and guitars are what makes guys attractive. Number 2, these guys are, in fact, very good looking. EV is like the dreamiest guy ever- sure he's getting a little up in years but dude, he's hot, no question. Stone is like 100% my type, Jeff is just plain good-looking, Matt is like superman, and Mike has that awesome tattooed bad boy look. I think they'd get plenty of looks from women if they weren't famous.

Songburst wrote:

To answer your original question: the percentage of solo / paired girls that you see at PJ shows is about the percentage of girls who like rock music. 95% of the girls that I have met will blare "This shit is bananas b-a-n-a-n-a-s" out of their cars/IPODS/whatever and love it because girls tend to go for dance music (which is music that I find repulsive -- so it seems that many dance music lovers, ie girls and Camaro-drivers, would find PJs music repulsive). It's in their genes -- it's quite similar to the math and science debate at schools everywhere (why aren't there any female engineers?) -- walk into an electrical or mechanical engineering classroom anywhere in the world and you would be hard-pressed to find 5% females. Same shit -- different category.

I'm a math/science person (and I work with some female engineers) and I love rock music...by saying these things aren't in women's genes, are you implying that we're not real women?

decides2dream

Lauri wrote:

Songburst wrote:

Lauri wrote:

and add to that the fact that band is comprised of 5 smoking hot men...I dunno, just seems weird to me. Probably a pointless post, but I'm just on a Pearl Jam high from the weekend.

Come on now. As talented and genuine as they are, those PJ guys (with the exception of maybe Jeff since he is over 5'2) wouldn't get a second look from the girls that they do if they didn't have guitars slung over their shoulders and were famous.

well number 1, talent and guitars are what makes guys attractive. Number 2, these guys are, in fact, very good looking. EV is like the dreamiest guy ever- sure he's getting a little up in years but dude, he's hot, no question. Stone is like 100% my type, Jeff is just plain good-looking, Matt is like superman, and Mike has that awesome tattooed bad boy look. I think they'd get plenty of looks from women if they weren't famous.

Songburst wrote:

To answer your original question: the percentage of solo / paired girls that you see at PJ shows is about the percentage of girls who like rock music. 95% of the girls that I have met will blare "This shit is bananas b-a-n-a-n-a-s" out of their cars/IPODS/whatever and love it because girls tend to go for dance music (which is music that I find repulsive -- so it seems that many dance music lovers, ie girls and Camaro-drivers, would find PJs music repulsive). It's in their genes -- it's quite similar to the math and science debate at schools everywhere (why aren't there any female engineers?) -- walk into an electrical or mechanical engineering classroom anywhere in the world and you would be hard-pressed to find 5% females. Same shit -- different category.

I'm a math/science person (and I work with some female engineers) and I love rock music...by saying these things aren't in women's genes, are you implying that we're not real women?

agreed.
on all counts.
it's all subjective. plenty of women love pearl jam, love rock music. sure, it seems there are definitely a LOT more male fans than female....but we are out there and thus, we count.


oh and while ed gets me hot....i've always loved stone. some geeks are sexy.

theboxerorthebag

totally agree with you! I love Ed but I am also attracted to Stone as well. You are right, there are more guy fans but that doesn't mean we women fans are just following boyfriends to shows and are not real fans, we do count as fans.


on all counts.
it's all subjective. plenty of women love pearl jam, love rock music. sure, it seems there are definitely a LOT more male fans than female....but we are out there and thus, we count.


oh and while ed gets me hot....i've always loved stone. some geeks are sexy.

helplessdancer

rock has always been a male dominated sport...whether you are on stage or in the audience

theboxerorthebag

don't think that was true when the Beatles toured. The audience was not male dominated to say the least.

emptyglass wrote:

rock has always been a male dominated sport...whether you are on stage or in the audience

helplessdancer

theboxerorthebag wrote:

don't think that was true when the Beatles toured. The audience was not male dominated to say the least.

emptyglass wrote:

rock has always been a male dominated sport...whether you are on stage or in the audience

ok u got 1 example but i'll need waaay more than just one

and um the beatles is in itself a one off...and they were NOT a rock band in the beginning days, IMO. pop music is not rock. the white album is rock.

Evergreen

Songburst wrote:

Lauri wrote:

and add to that the fact that band is comprised of 5 smoking hot men...I dunno, just seems weird to me. Probably a pointless post, but I'm just on a Pearl Jam high from the weekend.

Come on now. As talented and genuine as they are, those PJ guys (with the exception of maybe Jeff since he is over 5'2) wouldn't get a second look from the girls that they do if they didn't have guitars slung over their shoulders and were famous.

To answer your original question: the percentage of solo / paired girls that you see at PJ shows is about the percentage of girls who like rock music. 95% of the girls that I have met will blare "This shit is bananas b-a-n-a-n-a-s" out of their cars/IPODS/whatever and love it because girls tend to go for dance music (which is music that I find repulsive -- so it seems that many dance music lovers, ie girls and Camaro-drivers, would find PJs music repulsive). It's in their genes -- it's quite similar to the math and science debate at schools everywhere (why aren't there any female engineers?) -- walk into an electrical or mechanical engineering classroom anywhere in the world and you would be hard-pressed to find 5% females. Same shit -- different category.

I don't agree here AT ALL...I do not have one friend that does not know how to rock out with the best of them. In fact, my girlfriends and I usually plan trips around seeing bands...and I don't mean Brittany. Maybe it is my age, and they young girls just don't know shit now. All I know, is that I have about 7500 songs on my iPod and not one is a "dance" song...although 95% of them make me get up and dance my ass off, and 75% are live shows.

I will ALWAYS argue that woman "feel" the music more and are more emotionally connected to it. Rock has a TON more soul and emotion.

AND, I do agree, that there is nothing sexier than a man and a guitar...well, maybe a man and a bass...it's a finger thing. To this day, and for the last 19 years, Eddie has been my biggest guilty pleasure crush. I have NO idea how any woman could not have one. I didn't like his short hair clean cut years though. I don't know if I would have a crush if he was not onstage, though. Geez...have ya'll felt him while singing Wash...

Well, not literally felt him, but you know what I mean.

Songburst

Lauri wrote:

well number 1, talent and guitars are what makes guys attractive. Number 2, these guys are, in fact, very good looking. EV is like the dreamiest guy ever- sure he's getting a little up in years but dude, he's hot, no question. Stone is like 100% my type, Jeff is just plain good-looking, Matt is like superman, and Mike has that awesome tattooed bad boy look. I think they'd get plenty of looks from women if they weren't famous.


I'm a math/science person (and I work with some female engineers) and I love rock music...by saying these things aren't in women's genes, are you implying that we're not real women?

Agreed on the talent/guitars thing. Disagree with the EV being dreamy and really disagree with the Mike as a bad-boy. I stand by my statement that they would get few looks if they weren't famous.

Congrats on being a math/science person. I am an engineer and I have worked with several female engineers as well and I am not trying to imply anything. I just know the percentages and was trying to correlate the rock and math thing for message board purposes.

Songburst

Evergreen85024 wrote:

I don't agree here AT ALL...I do not have one friend that does not know how to rock out with the best of them. In fact, my girlfriends and I usually plan trips around seeing bands...and I don't mean Brittany. Maybe it is my age, and they young girls just don't know shit now. All I know, is that I have about 7500 songs on my iPod and not one is a "dance" song...although 95% of them make me get up and dance my ass off, and 75% are live shows.

I will ALWAYS argue that woman "feel" the music more and are more emotionally connected to it. Rock has a TON more soul and emotion.

AND, I do agree, that there is nothing sexier than a man and a guitar...well, maybe a man and a bass...it's a finger thing. To this day, and for the last 19 years, Eddie has been my biggest guilty pleasure crush. I have NO idea how any woman could not have one. I didn't like his short hair clean cut years though. I don't know if I would have a crush if he was not onstage, though. Geez...have ya'll felt him while singing Wash...

Well, not literally felt him, but you know what I mean.

You ma'am are in the very small minority in terms of taste in music as far as women go I'm sorry to report.

DewieCox

Not trying to make generalizations, but from my perspective there just seem to be more male rock music fans in general.

iamica

I went to Chicago 1 solo and brought my female cousin to Chicago 2. I don't like chick flicks or dance music, and I would think that any one of those guys was at least somewhat attractive even if they weren't rock stars. So take that!