I started to believe that theory until they scheduled 2 shows in LA, one in TX and then back to LA for 2 more.
And then played Jazz Fest in 2010 and skipped up from NO to KC.
well said
When I saw the tour dates that year (LA to Austin and back to LA).. it broke my little heart. Selfish probably isn't the word, but that's what it seemed like. Selfish with a fat paycheck.
I started to believe that theory until they scheduled 2 shows in LA, one in TX and then back to LA for 2 more.
And then played Jazz Fest in 2010 and skipped up from NO to KC.
well said
When I saw the tour dates that year (LA to Austin and back to LA).. it broke my little heart. Selfish probably isn't the word, but that's what it seemed like. Selfish with a fat paycheck.
Selfish in more ways than one. Not only did they get a big fat paycheck, they were given the opportunity to record an episode of the ACL TV show, during which Backspacer was given national television promotion (If memory serves correct they did about 15 songs, including all of Backspacer except Speed of Sound? So of 15 songs, 10 of them from Backspacer?)
Makes the trip to ACL seem even more like a promotional opportunity than anything else.
Houston, Texas... Believe it or not, there are 7 million people here... must be a couple of fans who'd love to see you play.
Eddie made a big deal that he couldn't believe they hadn't played Austin since '95. They either don't know or they don't care that they've ignored us for so long.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Eddie made a big deal that he couldn't believe they hadn't played Austin since '95. They either don't know or they don't care that they've ignored us for so long.
I do recall quite a loud booo! from the crowd when he said that.
Eddie made a big deal that he couldn't believe they hadn't played Austin since '95. They either don't know or they don't care that they've ignored us for so long.
I do recall quite a loud booo! from the crowd when he said that.
deserved
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Everyone here has made some great points and I agree. It's really disappointing to see a band that I love so much continue to ignore much of its loyal fan base. People have asked tim during the AET and you're right..he just gives a non-answer like scheduling conflicts or "we just couldn't work it out." You couldn't find any open dates in 8 years? Are we supposed to believe that? Unfortunately, the only reason that we have for why they don't play down here is just that they don't want to. :( I think it's as simple as that. It has to be when you've gone to canada/south america/australia/europe multiple times since playing major cities in your own country.
2003: San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Seattle; 2005: Monterrey; 2006: Chicago 1 & 2, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Detroit; 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa; 2009: Austin, LA 3 & 4, San Diego; 2010: Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbus, Indianapolis; 2011: PJ20 1 & 2; 2012: Missoula; 2013: Dallas, Oklahoma City, Seattle; 2014: Tulsa; 2016: Columbia, New York City 1 & 2; 2018: London, Seattle 1 & 2; 2021: Ohana; 2022: Oklahoma City
...Unfortunately, the only reason that we have for why they don't play down here is just that they don't want to. :( I think it's as simple as that...
Painful, but seemingly the only conclusion we're left to draw.
In a time where the census and demographics show our country's population is trending towards southern residency and our cities are growing, these guys continue to cash-in at their favorite cities/venues and ignore the possibility that we might have some PJ money on reserve, too.
Whatever. I'm shelling-out to go to Wisconsin after sitting out for 3 years. That's kind of my tipping point.
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Memphis 1994 New Orleans 1995 Fort Lauderdale 1996 Atlanta & Birmingham 1998 New Orleans 2000 Tampa 2003 Kissimmee 2004 New York City (x 2) 2008 East Troy (x 2) 2011 Chicago & New Orleans 2013 Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016 Baltimore2020 Louisville 2022 Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest 2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1 2022: Nashville 2023: Ft. Worth II
...Unfortunately, the only reason that we have for why they don't play down here is just that they don't want to. :( I think it's as simple as that...
Painful, but seemingly the only conclusion we're left to draw.
In a time where the census and demographics show our country's population is trending towards southern residency and our cities are growing, these guys continue to cash-in at their favorite cities/venues and ignore the possibility that we might have some PJ money on reserve, too.
Whatever. I'm shelling-out to go to Wisconsin after sitting out for 3 years. That's kind of my tipping point.
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Earlier in this thread someone compared the low population of the cities they are playing in Canada to the highly populated metropolitan areas around San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas. I've done this similar comparison for other cities they play and it really gets to be ridiculous.
2003: San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Seattle; 2005: Monterrey; 2006: Chicago 1 & 2, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Detroit; 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa; 2009: Austin, LA 3 & 4, San Diego; 2010: Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbus, Indianapolis; 2011: PJ20 1 & 2; 2012: Missoula; 2013: Dallas, Oklahoma City, Seattle; 2014: Tulsa; 2016: Columbia, New York City 1 & 2; 2018: London, Seattle 1 & 2; 2021: Ohana; 2022: Oklahoma City
...Unfortunately, the only reason that we have for why they don't play down here is just that they don't want to. :( I think it's as simple as that...
Painful, but seemingly the only conclusion we're left to draw.
In a time where the census and demographics show our country's population is trending towards southern residency and our cities are growing, these guys continue to cash-in at their favorite cities/venues and ignore the possibility that we might have some PJ money on reserve, too.
Whatever. I'm shelling-out to go to Wisconsin after sitting out for 3 years. That's kind of my tipping point.
Eddie made a big deal that he couldn't believe they hadn't played Austin since '95. They either don't know or they don't care that they've ignored us for so long.
I do recall quite a loud booo! from the crowd when he said that.
deserved
He did say "What the fuck were we thinking?" right after that. And showed us his UT stool he has been using since forever.
Earlier in this thread someone compared the low population of the cities they are playing in Canada to the highly populated metropolitan areas around San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas. I've done this similar comparison for other cities they play and it really gets to be ridiculous.
by Citizen Zack » Tue May 17, 2011 5:47 pm
Just some food for thought - and yes, I realize this is a massive waste of time:
Pearl Jam is playing 10 Canadien shows in 9 cities. I got curious about the populations of the areas they will play in comparison to some of the southern stops they've skipped over the last 8 years.
Canada 2011 Shows - (Metro area population)
Montreal (3,635,571)
Toronto (5,113,149)
Vancouver (2,116,581)
Ottawa (1,130,761)
Calgary (1,079,310)
Edmonton (1,034,945)
Hamilton (692,911)
Winnipeg (694,668)
Saskatoon (265,259)
Total Canada sites metro area population - 15,763,155
A few major cities in the south US (Metro area population)
Houston (6,108,060)
Dallas (6,477,313)
Atlanta (5,268,860)
Each of these 3 cities is bigger than Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton, Hamilton, Winnipeg, and Saskatoon combined (by over 1 million people). Combined, these three cities outdo all the Canada sites by over 2 million people! In 3 cities that haven't seen a show in 8 years!
If you throw in San Antonio, the population of just 3 Texas cities - Houston, Dallas, SA - is 14,727,873. That's almost equal to all of the Canada sites combined, just in one state.
If you were to set up a hypothetical tour of 9 south US cities that would be realistic for the band to play, it might look something like this:
Houston (6,108,060)
Dallas (6,477,313)
Oklahoma City (1,257,987)
Atlanta (5,268,860)
New Orleans (1,235,650)
Charlotte (1,745,524)
Memphis (1,305,946)
West Palm Beach (5,413,212)
Tampa (2,733,761)
Total metro area population: 31,546,313
That's twice the number of people than in the areas of Canada they're playing. So really, why can't they play the south? I just refuse to believe it's because they feel like they can't sell enough tickets here. But they can in Saskatoon (no offense to residents of Saskatoon)? That would mean they're looking for cost effective tours. Since the last time they toured the majority of the south, they've played Europe 4 times, Australia/New Zealand, and South America - and rumors have it that they'll be in South America again at the end of 2011. That's 6, and now possibly 7, major international trips without playing some of the most populated areas of the United States. And now a second trip through Canada. Hardly cost effective when compared to playng in the US.
Honestly, I wouldn't take those shows away from Canada or anywhere else if I could. I'm happy they are getting to see the band. But what in the world is keeping them from playing the south? There are tons of fans down here who have supported this band from day one and they continue to act like we don't exist. They can easily sell tickets here.
"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them." - Thoreau
No time to be void, or save up on life, you've got to spend it all
He did say "What the fuck were we thinking?" right after that. And showed us his UT stool he has been using since forever.
why would he have a UT stool? Kind of strange
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1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest 2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1 2022: Nashville 2023: Ft. Worth II
He did say "What the fuck were we thinking?" right after that. And showed us his UT stool he has been using since forever.
why would he have a UT stool? Kind of strange
I forgot exactly what he said, but he got it when they played Austin in 95.
2003: San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Seattle; 2005: Monterrey; 2006: Chicago 1 & 2, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Detroit; 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa; 2009: Austin, LA 3 & 4, San Diego; 2010: Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbus, Indianapolis; 2011: PJ20 1 & 2; 2012: Missoula; 2013: Dallas, Oklahoma City, Seattle; 2014: Tulsa; 2016: Columbia, New York City 1 & 2; 2018: London, Seattle 1 & 2; 2021: Ohana; 2022: Oklahoma City
He did say "What the fuck were we thinking?" right after that. And showed us his UT stool he has been using since forever.
why would he have a UT stool? Kind of strange
I forgot exactly what he said, but he got it when they played Austin in 95.
that makes sense
www.RLMcDaniel.com
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest 2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1 2022: Nashville 2023: Ft. Worth II
He did say "What the fuck were we thinking?" right after that. And showed us his UT stool he has been using since forever.
why would he have a UT stool? Kind of strange
I forgot exactly what he said, but he got it when they played Austin in 95.
He didn't say how or why he had the UT stool....
He went on a little rant about how every time he's sat on a stool onstage since 95 (be it a PJ, Eddie, or miscellanous concert) it's been on that particular UT stool and that it was one of his favorite possessions...
For some reason at the time when he said it I took it as one of his bullshit statements... I still think he was bullshitting, although I've never seen pictures where I could prove one way or the other...
Houston, Texas... Believe it or not, there are 7 million people here... must be a couple of fans who'd love to see you play.
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest 2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1 2022: Nashville 2023: Ft. Worth II
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
play the south tour the south. I do believe it has a lot to do with oil and the bush administration.SAD if so I hope I am wrong. Oil is a big part of them making there millions, how could they tour without it?
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest 2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1 2022: Nashville 2023: Ft. Worth II
play the south tour the south. I do believe it has a lot to do with oil and the bush administration.SAD if so I hope I am wrong. Oil is a big part of them making there millions, how could they tour without it?
I'm only going to say this once, cause I'm sure a lot of people on this board will disagree with me, but...
The entire rock and roll industry couldn't exist without the use of oil. And to turn up your nose at it, well...
It's easy to say that there are "better alternatives" - to those people I challenge them to find it. We've been working on "better alternatives" for over 100 years, and the fact is that to date we have not found a better, more efficient, and more ecomonical way to power our transportation.
This band couldn't, no band, couldn't exist without the use of oil at the current day and age (and the past 100 years leading up to now).
My response would be, if you're going to complain about oil and it's "evils" - don't use it. See how far your bike gets you. For most of us, you certainly won't be able to make it to Alpine Valley, WI.
Houston, Texas... Believe it or not, there are 7 million people here... must be a couple of fans who'd love to see you play.
i love the UT stool. check out my avatar for proof. up close it looks like it's been around that long. i remember thinking it was a joke too and someone on here correcting me and saying they had noticed it multiple times over the years.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Comments
When I saw the tour dates that year (LA to Austin and back to LA).. it broke my little heart. Selfish probably isn't the word, but that's what it seemed like. Selfish with a fat paycheck.
Selfish in more ways than one. Not only did they get a big fat paycheck, they were given the opportunity to record an episode of the ACL TV show, during which Backspacer was given national television promotion (If memory serves correct they did about 15 songs, including all of Backspacer except Speed of Sound? So of 15 songs, 10 of them from Backspacer?)
Makes the trip to ACL seem even more like a promotional opportunity than anything else.
I do recall quite a loud booo! from the crowd when he said that.
deserved
Painful, but seemingly the only conclusion we're left to draw.
In a time where the census and demographics show our country's population is trending towards southern residency and our cities are growing, these guys continue to cash-in at their favorite cities/venues and ignore the possibility that we might have some PJ money on reserve, too.
Whatever. I'm shelling-out to go to Wisconsin after sitting out for 3 years. That's kind of my tipping point.
.
New Orleans 1995
Fort Lauderdale 1996
Atlanta & Birmingham 1998
New Orleans 2000
Tampa 2003
Kissimmee 2004
New York City (x 2) 2008
East Troy (x 2) 2011
Chicago & New Orleans 2013
Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016
Baltimore 2020
Louisville 2022
Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
Earlier in this thread someone compared the low population of the cities they are playing in Canada to the highly populated metropolitan areas around San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas. I've done this similar comparison for other cities they play and it really gets to be ridiculous.
+1
He did say "What the fuck were we thinking?" right after that. And showed us his UT stool he has been using since forever.
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
No time to be void, or save up on life, you've got to spend it all
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
I forgot exactly what he said, but he got it when they played Austin in 95.
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
He didn't say how or why he had the UT stool....
He went on a little rant about how every time he's sat on a stool onstage since 95 (be it a PJ, Eddie, or miscellanous concert) it's been on that particular UT stool and that it was one of his favorite possessions...
For some reason at the time when he said it I took it as one of his bullshit statements... I still think he was bullshitting, although I've never seen pictures where I could prove one way or the other...
No time to be void, or save up on life, you've got to spend it all
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
No time to be void, or save up on life, you've got to spend it all
hurry their time is limited
Good lord I hope it's true!
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
I'm only going to say this once, cause I'm sure a lot of people on this board will disagree with me, but...
The entire rock and roll industry couldn't exist without the use of oil. And to turn up your nose at it, well...
It's easy to say that there are "better alternatives" - to those people I challenge them to find it. We've been working on "better alternatives" for over 100 years, and the fact is that to date we have not found a better, more efficient, and more ecomonical way to power our transportation.
This band couldn't, no band, couldn't exist without the use of oil at the current day and age (and the past 100 years leading up to now).
My response would be, if you're going to complain about oil and it's "evils" - don't use it. See how far your bike gets you. For most of us, you certainly won't be able to make it to Alpine Valley, WI.