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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    jlew24asu wrote:
    scb wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    get over youself

    :lol::lol::lol:

    Sure thing, pal. ;)

    you've usually been above the personal attacks in the past. how about you not start now?

    I am above personal attacks; I was just responding to your tone. How about you stop calling Gern "my little friend" and I won't make any more comments about your panties?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    scb wrote:

    I am above personal attacks;

    no you're not. I can count about 4 today alone.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    jlew24asu wrote:
    scb wrote:

    I am above personal attacks;

    no you're not. I can count about 4 today alone.

    I'd like to know what they are. But this conversation should probably be continued via PM.

    P.S. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    scb wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    scb wrote:

    I am above personal attacks;

    no you're not. I can count about 4 today alone.

    I'd like to know what they are. But this conversation should probably be continued via PM.

    P.S. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.


    you didnt hurt my feelings, childish behavoir and cheap shot personal attacks arent necessary while trying to debate a very important topic.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    scb, if you're ready to drop it I'd love to know your answer to this...

    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Do you think medicare can expand several folds and improve their operation?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    jlew24asu wrote:
    scb wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no you're not. I can count about 4 today alone.

    I'd like to know what they are. But this conversation should probably be continued via PM.

    P.S. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.


    childish behavoir and cheap shot personal attacks arent necessary while trying to debate a very important topic.

    I agree, and that was my point to you to begin with. Now let's get over it and move on. (That's my 3rd attempt.)
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    STAY HEALTHY!!!
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    jlew24asu wrote:
    scb, if you're ready to drop it I'd love to know your answer to this...

    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Do you think medicare can expand several folds and improve their operation?

    I don't know as much about the Medicare program in particular as I do about the Medicaid program, and have never advocated creating a universal, single-payer system by expanding Medicare per se.

    What I do know is this:

    1. The funding for Medicare - or whatever system we use - would be greatly increased if all the money now going to private, for-profit insurance companies went to the new system instead.

    2. Medicare is already much more efficient than private insurance plans, with only 2-3% of Medicare funds going toward overhead while private insurance spends 16-30% of its funds on overhead.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    scb wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    scb, if you're ready to drop it I'd love to know your answer to this...

    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Do you think medicare can expand several folds and improve their operation?

    I don't know as much about the Medicare program in particular as I do about the Medicaid program, and have never advocated creating a universal, single-payer system by expanding Medicare per se.

    What I do know is this:

    1. The funding for Medicare - or whatever system we use - would be greatly increased if all the money now going to private, for-profit insurance companies went to the new system instead.

    2. Medicare is already much more efficient than private insurance plans, with only 2-3% of Medicare funds going toward overhead while private insurance spends 16-30% of its funds on overhead.

    What % does the unemployment rate reach when you get rid of the insurance companies? ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    STAY HEALTHY!!!
    i agree...............and am heading off to exercise.......be back in an hour or so.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    cincybearcat wrote:
    scb wrote:
    I don't know as much about the Medicare program in particular as I do about the Medicaid program, and have never advocated creating a universal, single-payer system by expanding Medicare per se.

    What I do know is this:

    1. The funding for Medicare - or whatever system we use - would be greatly increased if all the money now going to private, for-profit insurance companies went to the new system instead.

    2. Medicare is already much more efficient than private insurance plans, with only 2-3% of Medicare funds going toward overhead while private insurance spends 16-30% of its funds on overhead.

    What % does the unemployment rate reach when you get rid of the insurance companies? ;)

    There will be no change because all those people will fill the healthcare provider jobs. ;)

    Regardless, I don't think this is really a valid argument for keeping health insurance companies around at the expense of our healthcare system, do you?
  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    actually tons of them work and receive paychecks/W-2's using false Social security numbers....then they never file tax returns because the IRS can pick up on the false SSN so the IRS gets to keep all the money they paid in since they can't file a return to get a refund

    define "tons"

    "Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/busin ... ation.html
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    scb wrote:
    There will be no change because all those people will fill the healthcare provider jobs. ;)

    Regardless, I don't think this is really a valid argument for keeping health insurance companies around at the expense of our healthcare system, do you?


    Well #1...your wrong. There will be a change, the unemployment % will go way down because we all know it takes 4 gov't workers to do the work of 1 non-gov't worker. ;)

    #2 - I was joking, hence the smiley. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

    This current system sucks. A gov't run system sucks.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    SundaySilence wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    actually tons of them work and receive paychecks/W-2's using false Social security numbers....then they never file tax returns because the IRS can pick up on the false SSN so the IRS gets to keep all the money they paid in since they can't file a return to get a refund

    define "tons"

    "Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/busin ... ation.html


    "Other than legal" What a f'in copout term. Don't wanna hurt the poor illegal immigrants feelings for breaking and entering the country.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    jlew24asu wrote:

    nope, the money you pay is stolen as well. the vast majority of us are over taxed.

    "The United States raises significantly lower tax revenues as a percentage of gross domestic product than do
    most other countries in the OECD."

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/Uploaded ... -08-06.pdf
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    scb wrote:
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    heh....I'm a small business owner and a business advisor....it's amazing how many right winger clients I have that are starting to see the light...

    I have a good friend who's been a conservative ever since I've known him (since high school). He moved to England for work a couple of years ago and recently came back to visit for the first time. After experiencing both systems, he actually said the words... and I had to ask him to repeat himself 3 times to be sure I heard him correctly..... "socialism is the only way to go".

    so just because one person you know has that opinion we all should ? :roll:
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    prfctlefts wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    heh....I'm a small business owner and a business advisor....it's amazing how many right winger clients I have that are starting to see the light...

    I have a good friend who's been a conservative ever since I've known him (since high school). He moved to England for work a couple of years ago and recently came back to visit for the first time. After experiencing both systems, he actually said the words... and I had to ask him to repeat himself 3 times to be sure I heard him correctly..... "socialism is the only way to go".

    so just because one person you know has that opinion we all should ? :roll:

    Of course not. I was just relating to Gern and I'm sure you know that. :roll:

    But I do value the opinions of those who have lived under those systems (or, better yet, both systems) more so than those who want to hate on a system with which they have no experience.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    prfctlefts wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    heh....I'm a small business owner and a business advisor....it's amazing how many right winger clients I have that are starting to see the light...

    I have a good friend who's been a conservative ever since I've known him (since high school). He moved to England for work a couple of years ago and recently came back to visit for the first time. After experiencing both systems, he actually said the words... and I had to ask him to repeat himself 3 times to be sure I heard him correctly..... "socialism is the only way to go".

    so just because one person you know has that opinion we all should ? :roll:

    Ya know... seriously... where do you people get this stuff from???
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    If UHC is going to be so great for everyone then why are all the senators,congressmen,and Obama's family not going to use it.
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    prfctlefts wrote:
    If UHC is going to be so great for everyone then why are all the senators,congressmen,and Obama's family not going to use it.
    it does give you something to think about.................the program 20/20 will have a good synopisis on health care coming up, i think on the 24th.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.

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