Obama Health Plan to tax the rich

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yes...greed must be stopped

its amazing to me that people like you think their opinions should be forced on others.

aren't you forcing your opinion on me that it is ok for doctor's to rape the public and make $450K/year

please stop forcing your beliefs on me

no I'm not forcing anything on you. Doctors are allowed to make whatever people are willing to pay them. you want to be able to force what YOU believe it right. I say let people pay doctors whatever they want. and whatever the doctor wants to charge for his/her services.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

Pretty sure he's forcing his belief that those who don't have money shouldn't receive health care.

no, thats not what I'm saying. I do want those who can't afford health care to be helped. what I dont want is to dictate how much a Doctor should make.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

Haha! I'm quite certain I never said any such thing.

You seem to be having a bad day.

do you think Dr's pay should be controlled like your little friend Gern?

Gern Blansten

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Pretty sure he's forcing his belief that those who don't have money shouldn't receive health care.

no, thats not what I'm saying. I do want those who can't afford health care to be helped. what I dont want is to dictate how much a Doctor should make.

stop forcing your beliefs on me or I'm calling the police

JOEJOEJOE

The manner in which our govt administers its programs is extremely inefficient. Everyone should unite to fix this problem ,and then, we can all go back to our "sides" and debate who should be taxed, and where should said tax dollars be spent.

If we did have UHC, the quality of care would be reduced, and some of the poulation would turn to doctors whom they pay out of their own pocket.

The same thing has happened with many of pur public schools.....the wealthy stick their kids in private schools, and at the same time, the quality of the public schools goes way down.

There will always be more options for the wealthy (whether its right or wrong), so any reform needs to focus on providing care to the poor, as well as the middle class who truly can't afford medical care.

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

stop forcing your beliefs on me or I'm calling the police

ok, I see the debate has taken a turn towards junior high. gotta run

jlew24asu

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

The manner in which our govt administers its programs is extremely inefficient. Everyone should unite to fix this problem ,and then, we can all go back to our "sides" and debate who should be taxed, and where should said tax dollars be spent.

If we did have UHC, the quality of care would be reduced, and some of the poulation would turn to doctors whom they pay out of their own pocket.

The same thing has happened with many of pur public schools.....the wealthy stick their kids in private schools, and at the same time, the quality of the public schools goes way down.

There will always be more options for the wealthy (whether its right or wrong), so any reform needs to focus on providing care to the poor, as well as the middle class who truly can't afford medical care.

agreed.

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jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Pretty sure he's forcing his belief that those who don't have money shouldn't receive health care.

no, thats not what I'm saying. I do want those who can't afford health care to be helped. what I dont want is to dictate how much a Doctor should make.

But you're dictating how they should & shouldn't be helped.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Pretty sure he's forcing his belief that those who don't have money shouldn't receive health care.

no, thats not what I'm saying. I do want those who can't afford health care to be helped. what I dont want is to dictate how much a Doctor should make.

But you're dictating how they should & shouldn't be helped.

how so?

Gern Blansten

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

The manner in which our govt administers its programs is extremely inefficient. Everyone should unite to fix this problem ,and then, we can all go back to our "sides" and debate who should be taxed, and where should said tax dollars be spent.

If we did have UHC, the quality of care would be reduced, and some of the poulation would turn to doctors whom they pay out of their own pocket.

The same thing has happened with many of pur public schools.....the wealthy stick their kids in private schools, and at the same time, the quality of the public schools goes way down.

There will always be more options for the wealthy (whether its right or wrong), so any reform needs to focus on providing care to the poor, as well as the middle class who truly can't afford medical care.

The current system is horribly inefficient. I agree that gov't isn't the most efficient but a single payer system would be much more efficient than the current multipayer system. Just the paperwork alone is a multi billion dollar problem. Eliminate it completely with single payer.....one set of medical records per citizen filed under their social security number accessible by any provider they visit....sounds very efficient to me.

JOEJOEJOE

Gern Blansten wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

The manner in which our govt administers its programs is extremely inefficient. Everyone should unite to fix this problem ,and then, we can all go back to our "sides" and debate who should be taxed, and where should said tax dollars be spent.

If we did have UHC, the quality of care would be reduced, and some of the poulation would turn to doctors whom they pay out of their own pocket.

The same thing has happened with many of pur public schools.....the wealthy stick their kids in private schools, and at the same time, the quality of the public schools goes way down.

There will always be more options for the wealthy (whether its right or wrong), so any reform needs to focus on providing care to the poor, as well as the middle class who truly can't afford medical care.

The current system is horribly inefficient. I agree that gov't isn't the most efficient but a single payer system would be much more efficient than the current multipayer system. Just the paperwork alone is a multi billion dollar problem. Eliminate it completely with single payer.....one set of medical records per citizen filed under their social security number accessible by any provider they visit....sounds very efficient to me.

Would you have the govt administer the single payer plan?

Gern Blansten

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

The manner in which our govt administers its programs is extremely inefficient. Everyone should unite to fix this problem ,and then, we can all go back to our "sides" and debate who should be taxed, and where should said tax dollars be spent.

If we did have UHC, the quality of care would be reduced, and some of the poulation would turn to doctors whom they pay out of their own pocket.

The same thing has happened with many of pur public schools.....the wealthy stick their kids in private schools, and at the same time, the quality of the public schools goes way down.

There will always be more options for the wealthy (whether its right or wrong), so any reform needs to focus on providing care to the poor, as well as the middle class who truly can't afford medical care.

The current system is horribly inefficient. I agree that gov't isn't the most efficient but a single payer system would be much more efficient than the current multipayer system. Just the paperwork alone is a multi billion dollar problem. Eliminate it completely with single payer.....one set of medical records per citizen filed under their social security number accessible by any provider they visit....sounds very efficient to me.

Would you have the govt administer the single payer plan?

the single payer plan is already in place....it's called "Medicare"

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

the single payer plan is already in place....it's called "Medicare"

and its 30 trillion underfunded

JOEJOEJOE

If we did have UHC, the quality of care would be reduced, and some of the poulation would turn to doctors whom they pay out of their own pocket.

The same thing has happened with many of pur public schools.....the wealthy stick their kids in private schools, and at the same time, the quality of the public schools goes way down.

There will always be more options for the wealthy (whether its right or wrong), so any reform needs to focus on providing care to the poor, as well as the middle class who truly can't afford medical care.[/quote]

The current system is horribly inefficient. I agree that gov't isn't the most efficient but a single payer system would be much more efficient than the current multipayer system. Just the paperwork alone is a multi billion dollar problem. Eliminate it completely with single payer.....one set of medical records per citizen filed under their social security number accessible by any provider they visit....sounds very efficient to me.[/quote]

Would you have the govt administer the single payer plan?[/quote]

the single payer plan is already in place....it's called "Medicare"[/quote]

Do you think medicare can expand several folds and improve their operation?

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jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Haha! I'm quite certain I never said any such thing.

You seem to be having a bad day.

do you think Dr's pay should be controlled like your little friend Gern?

Boy, you really do have your panties in a wad today, don't you?

A. I don't know Gern any more than you do.

B. I don't get the impression that s/he is saying doctors' pay should be controlled in the way you seem to think s/he is anyway. The impression I got is that s/he belives a system which is based on greed and not health is inappropriate. (But I don't want to speak for him/her.)

C. I don't even believe that doctors control their own pay. They are victims of this healthcare system too.

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jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

no, thats not what I'm saying. I do want those who can't afford health care to be helped. what I dont want is to dictate how much a Doctor should make.

But you're dictating how they should & shouldn't be helped.

how so?

By saying we shouldn't help them via a universal healthcare system.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

Boy, you really do have your panties in a wad today, don't you?

get over youself

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

By saying we shouldn't help them via a universal healthcare system.

I dont believe a universail healthcare system would be helpful. but you are taking this way out of context as usual. we were talking about Dr's pay, thats it. stop expanding it to opinons about healthcare in general.

your little friend Gern said Dr's sholdnt be allowed to make $450k. she believes she has a right to determinte how much they should make.

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jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Boy, you really do have your panties in a wad today, don't you?

get over youself

Sure thing, pal.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Boy, you really do have your panties in a wad today, don't you?

get over youself

Sure thing, pal.

you've usually been above the personal attacks in the past. how about you not start now?