Obama Health Plan to tax the rich

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

average salaries for RN's are approaching $80K...where are you getting this $100K number?

I thought we were talking about general practitioners. I was just correcting your gross exaggeration about the one you claim to know that makes 450k

Gern Blansten

jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

average salaries for RN's are approaching $80K...where are you getting this $100K number?

I thought we were talking about general practitioners. I was just correcting your gross exaggeration about the one you claim to know that makes 450k

he does make $450K....I'm not saying they all do I'm just saying that a system that allows that crap needs to be overhauled.

ajedigecko

what do you think a fair salary should be for doctor?

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jlew24asu wrote:

those rankings are almost a decade old..... they stopped doing these rankings in 2000.

if the government ran things you'd probably see trillions of dollars that dont belong there.... much more money will be wasted.

we pay hospitals and doctors more than most other countries do.

We rely more on costly specialists, who overuse advanced technologies, like CT scans and M.R.I. machines, and who resort to costly surgical or medical procedures a lot more than doctors in other countries do.

the average salary of a general practitioner in this country is around $100k.

Sources, please?

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

those rankings are almost a decade old..... they stopped doing these rankings in 2000.

if the government ran things you'd probably see trillions of dollars that dont belong there.... much more money will be wasted.

we pay hospitals and doctors more than most other countries do.

We rely more on costly specialists, who overuse advanced technologies, like CT scans and M.R.I. machines, and who resort to costly surgical or medical procedures a lot more than doctors in other countries do.

the average salary of a general practitioner in this country is around $100k.

Sources, please?

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.


http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job ... ner/Salary

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

he does make $450K....I'm not saying they all do I'm just saying that a system that allows that crap needs to be overhauled.

no it doesnt. that person earns all the money that is paid to him/her. if you dont like it too bad, find someone else.

Gern Blansten

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

those rankings are almost a decade old..... they stopped doing these rankings in 2000.

if the government ran things you'd probably see trillions of dollars that dont belong there.... much more money will be wasted.

we pay hospitals and doctors more than most other countries do.

We rely more on costly specialists, who overuse advanced technologies, like CT scans and M.R.I. machines, and who resort to costly surgical or medical procedures a lot more than doctors in other countries do.

the average salary of a general practitioner in this country is around $100k.

Sources, please?

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.


http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job ... ner/Salary

yes it's complex and I really doubt if it has changed since then

Gern Blansten

jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

he does make $450K....I'm not saying they all do I'm just saying that a system that allows that crap needs to be overhauled.

no it doesnt. that person earns all the money that is paid to him/her. if you dont like it too bad, find someone else.

your opinion is that it doesn't....mine is that it does

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

yes it's complex and I really doubt if it has changed since then

9 years is a long time. I bet alot has changed in that time

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

your opinion is that it doesn't....mine is that it does

thats true. and you want to force your opinion on them and demand they take a lower salary.

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jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yes it's complex and I really doubt if it has changed since then

9 years is a long time. I bet alot has changed in that time

What gives you that impression considering that our healthcare system hasn't really changed since then?

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yes it's complex and I really doubt if it has changed since then

9 years is a long time. I bet alot has changed in that time

What gives you that impression considering that our healthcare system hasn't really changed since then?

havent changed based on what exactly? like the WHO says, its too complex. so dont pretend to tell me you know that it hasn't. one thing that is always constant however is change. and we can all agree there have been huge technological advances in the past 10 years.

Gern Blansten

jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

your opinion is that it doesn't....mine is that it does

thats true. and you want to force your opinion on them and demand they take a lower salary.

yes...greed must be stopped

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jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

9 years is a long time. I bet alot has changed in that time

What gives you that impression considering that our healthcare system hasn't really changed since then?

havent changed based on what exactly? like the WHO says, its too complex. so dont pretend to tell me you know that it hasn't. one thing that is always constant however is change. and we can all agree there have been huge technological advances in the past 10 years.

Geez Louise! :roll: I didn't "pretend to tell" you anything. I asked a simple fucking question.

Our healthcare system hasn't changed in that we still have the same system. Regarding the technological advances, it's not like they've been limited to the U.S.

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

yes...greed must be stopped

its amazing to me that people like you think their opinions should be forced on others.

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jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yes...greed must be stopped

its amazing to me that people like you think their opinions should be forced on others.

How are you not also forcing your opinions on others?

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yes...greed must be stopped

its amazing to me that people like you think their opinions should be forced on others.

How are you not also forcing your opinions on others?

I'm not forcing anything. if a doctor can me $450k a year good for them! you and gern want to be able to dictate how much Dr's can make.

Gern Blansten

jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yes...greed must be stopped

its amazing to me that people like you think their opinions should be forced on others.

aren't you forcing your opinion on me that it is ok for doctor's to rape the public and make $450K/year

please stop forcing your beliefs on me

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jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

its amazing to me that people like you think their opinions should be forced on others.

How are you not also forcing your opinions on others?

I'm not forcing anything. if a doctor can me $450k a year good for them! you and gern want to be able to dictate how much Dr's can make.

Haha! I'm quite certain I never said any such thing.

You seem to be having a bad day.

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Gern Blansten wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

its amazing to me that people like you think their opinions should be forced on others.

aren't you forcing your opinion on me that it is ok for doctor's to rape the public and make $450K/year

please stop forcing your beliefs on me

Pretty sure he's forcing his belief that those who don't have money shouldn't receive health care.

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

yes...greed must be stopped

its amazing to me that people like you think their opinions should be forced on others.

aren't you forcing your opinion on me that it is ok for doctor's to rape the public and make $450K/year

please stop forcing your beliefs on me

no I'm not forcing anything on you. Doctors are allowed to make whatever people are willing to pay them. you want to be able to force what YOU believe it right. I say let people pay doctors whatever they want. and whatever the doctor wants to charge for his/her services.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

Pretty sure he's forcing his belief that those who don't have money shouldn't receive health care.

no, thats not what I'm saying. I do want those who can't afford health care to be helped. what I dont want is to dictate how much a Doctor should make.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

Haha! I'm quite certain I never said any such thing.

You seem to be having a bad day.

do you think Dr's pay should be controlled like your little friend Gern?

Gern Blansten

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Pretty sure he's forcing his belief that those who don't have money shouldn't receive health care.

no, thats not what I'm saying. I do want those who can't afford health care to be helped. what I dont want is to dictate how much a Doctor should make.

stop forcing your beliefs on me or I'm calling the police

JOEJOEJOE

The manner in which our govt administers its programs is extremely inefficient. Everyone should unite to fix this problem ,and then, we can all go back to our "sides" and debate who should be taxed, and where should said tax dollars be spent.

If we did have UHC, the quality of care would be reduced, and some of the poulation would turn to doctors whom they pay out of their own pocket.

The same thing has happened with many of pur public schools.....the wealthy stick their kids in private schools, and at the same time, the quality of the public schools goes way down.

There will always be more options for the wealthy (whether its right or wrong), so any reform needs to focus on providing care to the poor, as well as the middle class who truly can't afford medical care.

jlew24asu

Gern Blansten wrote:

stop forcing your beliefs on me or I'm calling the police

ok, I see the debate has taken a turn towards junior high. gotta run

jlew24asu

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

The manner in which our govt administers its programs is extremely inefficient. Everyone should unite to fix this problem ,and then, we can all go back to our "sides" and debate who should be taxed, and where should said tax dollars be spent.

If we did have UHC, the quality of care would be reduced, and some of the poulation would turn to doctors whom they pay out of their own pocket.

The same thing has happened with many of pur public schools.....the wealthy stick their kids in private schools, and at the same time, the quality of the public schools goes way down.

There will always be more options for the wealthy (whether its right or wrong), so any reform needs to focus on providing care to the poor, as well as the middle class who truly can't afford medical care.

agreed.

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jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Pretty sure he's forcing his belief that those who don't have money shouldn't receive health care.

no, thats not what I'm saying. I do want those who can't afford health care to be helped. what I dont want is to dictate how much a Doctor should make.

But you're dictating how they should & shouldn't be helped.

jlew24asu

scb wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

scb wrote:

Pretty sure he's forcing his belief that those who don't have money shouldn't receive health care.

no, thats not what I'm saying. I do want those who can't afford health care to be helped. what I dont want is to dictate how much a Doctor should make.

But you're dictating how they should & shouldn't be helped.

how so?

Gern Blansten

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

The manner in which our govt administers its programs is extremely inefficient. Everyone should unite to fix this problem ,and then, we can all go back to our "sides" and debate who should be taxed, and where should said tax dollars be spent.

If we did have UHC, the quality of care would be reduced, and some of the poulation would turn to doctors whom they pay out of their own pocket.

The same thing has happened with many of pur public schools.....the wealthy stick their kids in private schools, and at the same time, the quality of the public schools goes way down.

There will always be more options for the wealthy (whether its right or wrong), so any reform needs to focus on providing care to the poor, as well as the middle class who truly can't afford medical care.

The current system is horribly inefficient. I agree that gov't isn't the most efficient but a single payer system would be much more efficient than the current multipayer system. Just the paperwork alone is a multi billion dollar problem. Eliminate it completely with single payer.....one set of medical records per citizen filed under their social security number accessible by any provider they visit....sounds very efficient to me.