Obama Health Plan to tax the rich

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prfctlefts wrote:

If UHC is going to be so great for everyone then why are all the senators,congressmen,and Obama's family not going to use it.

The plan I think will be great for everyone is not the one Obama's pitching.

Gern Blansten

jlew24asu wrote:

scb, if you're ready to drop it I'd love to know your answer to this...

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Do you think medicare can expand several folds and improve their operation?

they would have to....

Gern Blansten

SundaySilence wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

actually tons of them work and receive paychecks/W-2's using false Social security numbers....then they never file tax returns because the IRS can pick up on the false SSN so the IRS gets to keep all the money they paid in since they can't file a return to get a refund

define "tons"

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/busin ... ation.html

thanks!

Gern Blansten

prfctlefts wrote:

If UHC is going to be so great for everyone then why are all the senators,congressmen,and Obama's family not going to use it.

who said they weren't?

inmytree

I wonder, if Medicaid/Medicare sucks so much, why don't the elderly and those on Medicaid go out and by private insurance....? you know, cuz private insurance is better...right...?

Anon

scb wrote:

JB811 wrote:

The medical bill should be sent to whatever country she is from. The taxpayers of this country should not have to pay for this criminal. Undocumented immigrants? That is like calling the street corner drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.

Her delivery is covered by EMSA (Emergency Medical Services for Aliens), which I believe is a federal program through Medicaid. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't have such a program to treat people with medical emergencies?

Her child is a United States citizen, and therefore entitled to the same healthcare coverage as any of us - except it will likely be a lifetime of coverage due to his/her disabilities.

I completely disagree with your comparison between undocumented immigrants and drug dealers. Drug dealers harm others for personal gain. Most undocumented immigrants are merely trying to provide for their families. What loving parent would turn down an opportunity to feed their children so as to not upset a portion of people in the richest country in the world (which arguably became that way through the exploitation of other people/countries... but that's another discussion)?

Treat an emergency, but deny them when they go to the emergency room for the sniffles, which they have a habit of doing.

The child being a citizen is a joke. That part of the 14th needs to be repealed as it is being abused and not used for it was originally intended.

They are here illegally, they are breaking the law. Is it ok for me to rob a bank because I need to feed my family? They need to get in line and do things by the law.

Pepe Silvia

not only is Obama taxing the rich he intends to destroy the middle class!! :shock:

i was bringing my trashcan in earlier and could hear my neighbors radio, not sure who it was but it sounded like Rush Limbaugh....anyway, whoever it was was going on about Obama taxing the rich and all his other wasteful programs and wasteful spending and how this will only destroy the middle class and mark his words: if we have 8 years of this there will be no more middle class!!!

it's kinda funny when ya think about when people talked about the damage to the middle class under the last administration the conservatives all said how liberals were trying to incite class warfare and blah blah blah

Anon

Here is another thing. All of these politicians, no matter the party, that want this package to go through should also be forced to accept it for their own health care. After all we are paying their salaries and benefits, they are not Kings and Queens, they should accept what they think is good enough for the American citizen.

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JB811 wrote:

Treat an emergency, but deny them when they go to the emergency room for the sniffles, which they have a habit of doing.

I'd love to see some data on that.

JB811 wrote:

The child being a citizen is a joke. That part of the 14th needs to be repealed as it is being abused and not used for it was originally intended.

Hey man, it's the law. I thought you were all about following the law. You can't pick & choose.

Also, your plan would mean families could be here for GENERATIONS and still be considered to be here illegally. I didn't have to go through any extra process/paperwork/expense to become a U.S. citizen when I was born here... why should anyone else?

JB811 wrote:

They are here illegally, they are breaking the law. Is it ok for me to rob a bank because I need to feed my family? They need to get in line and do things by the law.

Robbing a bank means you're not working for the money you earn; to the contrary, undocumented immigrants usually work extra hard for the money they earn - and you and I both reap the benefits of their work. Robbing a bank also implies violence or the threat of violence against others, which is not nearly comparable to not completing the proper paperwork to enter the country.

Anon

Stealing is stealing, no matter what coat of paint you try to cover it with.

PearlJain

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm completely OK with this.

It figures. I don't know your situation (don't want to -so please don't share it with me). In general - the only people whom agree with this - are those whom have not worked their asses off to earn this kind of income. I'm sure I stand, for the most part, alone (on this websight). However - until one earns it, and has reaped what they earn - you wouldn't understand that position. No one should ever have the arbitrary right, nor entitlement- to someone else's money.

TriumphantAngel

PearlJain wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm completely OK with this.

It figures. I don't know your situation (don't want to -so please don't share it with me). In general - the only people whom agree with this - are those whom have not worked their asses off to earn this kind of income. I'm sure I stand, for the most part, alone (on this websight). However - until one earns it, and has reaped what they earn - you wouldn't understand that position. No one should ever have the arbitrary right, nor entitlement- to someone else's money.

i am completely ok with it too.

contrary to your popular belief, i do work my ass off, but will never come close to earning that kind of income. i guarantee if i did, i would have no issues paying a highter tax bracket to help those less fortunate than myself.

PearlJain

TriumphantAngel wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm completely OK with this.

It figures. I don't know your situation (don't want to -so please don't share it with me). In general - the only people whom agree with this - are those whom have not worked their asses off to earn this kind of income. I'm sure I stand, for the most part, alone (on this websight). However - until one earns it, and has reaped what they earn - you wouldn't understand that position. No one should ever have the arbitrary right, nor entitlement- to someone else's money.

i am completely ok with it too.

contrary to your popular belief, i do work my ass off, but will never come close to earning that kind of income. i guarantee if i did, i would have no issues paying a highter tax bracket to help those less fortunate than myself.

I'm not going to get into some kind of "We Are The World" type conversation with you - nor anyone else. I don't know anyone personally who wants people to starve, or go without the basics. But soaking the (so-called) rich is not the answer. Even before the U.S. fell onto these hard economic times. I've certainly worked with people within the community whom were just plain lazy. I don't want to support people like this...- those whom's career choice is to do nothing, with alot of support to not even try, and just decide to live off of tax-payer dollars. (And that goes for Illegals as well.) There is something wrong with THAT, too.

jlew24asu

inmytree wrote:

I wonder, if Medicaid/Medicare sucks so much, why don't the elderly and those on Medicaid go out and by private insurance....? you know, cuz private insurance is better...right...?

my grandmother uses both because medicare doesnt cover 100% and its not like she has a choice to opt out of medicare anyway.

jlew24asu

PearlJain wrote:

I'm not going to get into some kind of "We Are The World" type conversation with you - nor anyone else. I don't know anyone personally who wants people to starve, or go without the basics. But soaking the (so-called) rich is not the answer. Even before the U.S. fell onto these hard economic times. I've certainly worked with people within the community whom were just plain lazy. I don't want to support people like this...- those whom's career choice is to do nothing, with alot of support to not even try, and just decide to live off of tax-payer dollars. (And that goes for Illegals as well.) There is something wrong with THAT, too.

but its lazy peoples right to have free health care...or something like that

Anon

PearlJain wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm completely OK with this.

It figures. I don't know your situation (don't want to -so please don't share it with me). In general - the only people whom agree with this - are those whom have not worked their asses off to earn this kind of income. I'm sure I stand, for the most part, alone (on this websight). However - until one earns it, and has reaped what they earn - you wouldn't understand that position. No one should ever have the arbitrary right, nor entitlement- to someone else's money.

You are not alone.

ajedigecko

JB811 wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm completely OK with this.

It figures. I don't know your situation (don't want to -so please don't share it with me). In general - the only people whom agree with this - are those whom have not worked their asses off to earn this kind of income. I'm sure I stand, for the most part, alone (on this websight). However - until one earns it, and has reaped what they earn - you wouldn't understand that position. No one should ever have the arbitrary right, nor entitlement- to someone else's money.

You are not alone.

i agree.

TriumphantAngel

ajedigecko wrote:

JB811 wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

It figures. I don't know your situation (don't want to -so please don't share it with me). In general - the only people whom agree with this - are those whom have not worked their asses off to earn this kind of income. I'm sure I stand, for the most part, alone (on this websight). However - until one earns it, and has reaped what they earn - you wouldn't understand that position. No one should ever have the arbitrary right, nor entitlement- to someone else's money.

You are not alone.

i agree.

Who's more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?

And again, i disagree, for reasons i have already said.

Jeanwah

TriumphantAngel wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm completely OK with this.

It figures. I don't know your situation (don't want to -so please don't share it with me). In general - the only people whom agree with this - are those whom have not worked their asses off to earn this kind of income. I'm sure I stand, for the most part, alone (on this websight). However - until one earns it, and has reaped what they earn - you wouldn't understand that position. No one should ever have the arbitrary right, nor entitlement- to someone else's money.

i am completely ok with it too.

contrary to your popular belief, i do work my ass off, but will never come close to earning that kind of income. i guarantee if i did, i would have no issues paying a highter tax bracket to help those less fortunate than myself.

No reason to explain yourself to this "Jain" person, TA. She generalizes to the point that she *thinks* she knows our personal situations when she knows *exactly* nothing about either of us.

And Jain? Where's the ignore button? I don't have issues with you, yet you seek me out. What's your problem?

Don't worry, I won't explain my life to you (why you'd think I'd take the time to explain to you anyway is beyond me). :roll:
Since you are that type of person, as well as others who've agreed with you, who like to "generalize" others for what they agree with and what they don't, WITHOUT ANY OTHER EXPLANATION, well you can go crawl back under a rock, because it's blatantly obvious how closed-minded and completely unwilling you are to even care to understand where anyone else comes from.

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JB811 wrote:

Stealing is stealing, no matter what coat of paint you try to cover it with.

Wait - remind me again how they're stealing? Breaking the law, sure... but stealing?