Obama Health Plan to tax the rich

jlew24asu

decides2dream wrote:

if/when that happens...feel free to say i told ya so...and i am sure we'll all agree! however, if our world doesn't implode....do please realize your pov is not the absolute word on what will, or will not, occur.....;)

are you new here?

decides2dream wrote:

given that we as a country have some of the lowest taxes in the world........i am unsure what you mean there?
i may not agree as to WHERE my funds go, and i sure could think of a lot better uses for a lot of it - such as universal healthcare - but yea......we're not necessarily 'overtaxed'....at least on income.

personal tax rates are not the most, no. but certainly not the lowest.

as for corporate rates...highest in the world.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publicatio ... 22917.html

decides2dream wrote:

my property taxes are insane tho!

mine too. I also live in Chicago, with has the highest sales tax in the country. :evil:

jlew24asu

inmytree wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

nope, the money you pay is stolen as well. the vast majority of us are over taxed.

great, let's stop paying taxes and disband the government...those fuckers keep stealing from me...

overreact much?

I'll take lower taxes and less government anyday

Laughofgod

Important to note that the wealthiest 1% make 20% of the income. 1928 was the last time income was this disproportionate in the US, and we all know how well that worked-out.

Indifference

SPEND SPEND SPEND and TAX TAX TAX. Not the change I voted for - I need to become a repub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSe3C5vMafM

decides2dream

Indifference wrote:

SPEND SPEND SPEND and TAX TAX TAX. Not the change I voted for - I need to become a repub.

why?
so you can SPEND, SPEND, SPEND.....and pass on the costs to the next administration?
i mean, let's be realistic. bush enters office with a budget surplus, a pretty sizable one...and in eight years gets us into a war no one wanted and trillions in debt. at least obama trys to come up with ways to FUND the things he wants to SPEND on.....and i'll take funding for healthcare over a war any day of the week and twice on sunday.


jlew, really?
i thought where i lived had the highest sales tax, it did for awhile anyway.


and you clearly illustrated one of our fundamental differences, less tax and less government involvement is always your goal. my goals are not so clear-cut. i'm all for less tax in theory, but i also do believe our government should fund a great many programs, including healthcare....so i just can't make those sweeping statements.


btw - if you read my post...i did not say we have THE lowest income tax, just some of the lowest.
i think you do that often with my posts....

tybird

This legislation will be so shot up with loopholes if and when it ever reaches the Prez's desk....

decides2dream

tybird wrote:

This legislation will be so shot up with loopholes if and when it ever reaches the Prez's desk....

and yea...that's the other thing. this is far from a done deal.
also, it is a concern that we may well end up with some half-assed plan for healthcare. i hope not, but it's a possibility. in trying to still cow-tow to the healthcare industry, instead of a complete overhaul - we could wind up with a badly placed band-aid. however, i want to try and remain optimistic for the time being.....

jlew24asu

D2D

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22979.html

Chicago to Have Highest U.S. Sales Tax; Enrolled Bill Shenanigans

by Joseph Henchman

Early Saturday, the Cook County Board voted 9-8 to raise their sales tax by a percentage point, to 10.25 percent, making it the highest in the country. The tax increase, which is estimated to raise an additional $426 million per year and will close a budget deficit and fund 1,100 new (patronage?) government jobs, goes into effect in November.

Board President Todd Stroger had wanted a 12 or 11.25 percent rate but came up a vote shy, and is now seeking an increase in other local taxes; in return for relenting on the sales tax, he agreed to give up total control over jobs at county hospitals (the new board will only be 9/20ths controlled by him). Opponents say the county is mismanaging the $3 billion in revenue it already collects.

Interestingly, the official record will say that Cook County's budget was passed at 11:55 PM on Friday night, not early Saturday morning at about 1AM when it actually was. That's because officials stopped the clock used for timekeeping as their way of complying with a law requiring them to pass the budget by midnight. Politicians get away with these shenanigans because of what's called the "enrolled bill rule"—essentially, judges who enforce such deadlines are obligated to accept the time stated in the record prepared by government officials, no matter how much evidence may prove it to be false. The application of the rule in such situations usually deprives the taxpayer protection of all effectiveness.

decides2dream

jlew24asu wrote:

D2D

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22979.html

Chicago to Have Highest U.S. Sales Tax; Enrolled Bill Shenanigans

by Joseph Henchman

Early Saturday, the Cook County Board voted 9-8 to raise their sales tax by a percentage point, to 10.25 percent, making it the highest in the country. The tax increase, which is estimated to raise an additional $426 million per year and will close a budget deficit and fund 1,100 new (patronage?) government jobs, goes into effect in November.

Board President Todd Stroger had wanted a 12 or 11.25 percent rate but came up a vote shy, and is now seeking an increase in other local taxes; in return for relenting on the sales tax, he agreed to give up total control over jobs at county hospitals (the new board will only be 9/20ths controlled by him). Opponents say the county is mismanaging the $3 billion in revenue it already collects.

Interestingly, the official record will say that Cook County's budget was passed at 11:55 PM on Friday night, not early Saturday morning at about 1AM when it actually was. That's because officials stopped the clock used for timekeeping as their way of complying with a law requiring them to pass the budget by midnight. Politicians get away with these shenanigans because of what's called the "enrolled bill rule"—essentially, judges who enforce such deadlines are obligated to accept the time stated in the record prepared by government officials, no matter how much evidence may prove it to be false. The application of the rule in such situations usually deprives the taxpayer protection of all effectiveness.

i didn't doubt you.....and hey, i am happy to pass the mantle!
i do still believe my county in NY has one of the higher sales taxes (8.65%) and our property/school taxes have always been well within the top costs in the nation as well. i love where i live, so yea.....but that truly sucks. that said, i need to go on the porch and obsess over scoring philly 2 tix, so i leave the MT to you all.......

mca47

1%?!?! :shock:

I sure hope it doesn't put them on the streets!

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

this program is going to destroy the value of the dollar because of the amount of money we'll need to print to pay for this.....and bring health care quality down for everyone. as well as drive up overall costs.

sorry for the source but its probably one of the only places to give an alternative view to the media love affair with anything Obama.

forgot where i saw or heard it but health care companies have more overhead than all the other countries socialized health care costs....maybe it has to do with greed and the need to make more profits each quarter by giving people less coverage?

jlew24asu wrote:

personal tax rates are not the most, no. but certainly not the lowest.

as for corporate rates...highest in the world.

and a lot of them don't pay any taxes, like Halliburton

tybird

jlew24asu wrote:

D2D

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/22979.html

Chicago to Have Highest U.S. Sales Tax; Enrolled Bill Shenanigans

by Joseph Henchman

Early Saturday, the Cook County Board voted 9-8 to raise their sales tax by a percentage point, to 10.25 percent, making it the highest in the country. The tax increase, which is estimated to raise an additional $426 million per year and will close a budget deficit and fund 1,100 new (patronage?) government jobs, goes into effect in November.

Board President Todd Stroger had wanted a 12 or 11.25 percent rate but came up a vote shy, and is now seeking an increase in other local taxes; in return for relenting on the sales tax, he agreed to give up total control over jobs at county hospitals (the new board will only be 9/20ths controlled by him). Opponents say the county is mismanaging the $3 billion in revenue it already collects.

Interestingly, the official record will say that Cook County's budget was passed at 11:55 PM on Friday night, not early Saturday morning at about 1AM when it actually was. That's because officials stopped the clock used for timekeeping as their way of complying with a law requiring them to pass the budget by midnight. Politicians get away with these shenanigans because of what's called the "enrolled bill rule"—essentially, judges who enforce such deadlines are obligated to accept the time stated in the record prepared by government officials, no matter how much evidence may prove it to be false. The application of the rule in such situations usually deprives the taxpayer protection of all effectiveness.

What a sales tax!!!! I thought our 9% was bad, but wow.....good ole' sales tax...that's sticking it to them rich people. :roll:

Anon

For everyone that wants government run health care ask the Vets how theirs works for them.

I am against this.

ajedigecko

JB811 wrote:

For everyone that wants government run health care ask the Vets how theirs works for them.

I am against this.

and as mark levin pointed out.............ask the indians on reservations.

Commy

JB811 wrote:

For everyone that wants government run health care ask the Vets how theirs works for them.

I am against this.

think i'll ask the French, that's how it SHOULD be done.

Byrnzie

Commy wrote:

JB811 wrote:

For everyone that wants government run health care ask the Vets how theirs works for them.

I am against this.

think i'll ask the French, that's how it SHOULD be done.

+1

WaveCameCrashin

why dont you folks that are for Obama care go and ask some Canadians how its working out for them ? Im really shocked why some people would want the gov. running health care.

And If I choose not to get health Insurance I'll get fined :evil: WTF kinda shit is that. You call that freedom? :roll: I call it socialism..

soulsinging

prfctlefts wrote:

why dont you folks that are for Obama care go and ask some Canadians how its working out for them ? Im really shocked why some people would want the gov. running health care.

And If I choose not to get health Insurance I'll get fined :evil: WTF kinda shit is that. You call that freedom? :roll: I call it socialism..

Someone around here once did post a huge national survey of Canadians asking how it was working out for them. A some people did say they were frustrated at times by red tape. But almost EVERYONE said they'd never want to give it up.

WaveCameCrashin

Well maybe so But I for one dont want Obama care and you people are nuts if you think our healthcare system wont be in the shitter if this passes.

Don't get me wrong I realize that healthcare cost are thru the roof for some people,take my moms for instance she pays $400.00 a month through her employer she's 59 doesn't smoke and is in good health.

soulsinging

prfctlefts wrote:

Well maybe so But I for one dont want Obama care and you people are nuts if you think our healthcare system wont be in the shitter if this passes.

Don't get me wrong I realize that healthcare cost are thru the roof for some people,take my moms for instance she pays $400.00 a month through her employer she's 59 doesn't smoke and is in good health.

Then what is your suggestion to fix our health care system? Because if you haven't noticed, it is ALREADY in the shitter. And the current system hurts individuals like your mother AND businesses like her employer. The problem is not costs, the problem is the for-profit health insurance industry and its stranglehold on all aspects of health care in this country, turning human medical care into a business where corners are cut to increase profits more easily and callously than Chinese toy makers treat toxic chemicals.