this program is going to destroy the value of the dollar because of the amount of money we'll need to print to pay for this.....and bring health care quality down for everyone. as well as drive up overall costs.
sorry for the source but its probably one of the only places to give an alternative view to the media love affair with anything Obama.
forgot where i saw or heard it but health care companies have more overhead than all the other countries socialized health care costs....maybe it has to do with greed and the need to make more profits each quarter by giving people less coverage?
personal tax rates are not the most, no. but certainly not the lowest.
as for corporate rates...highest in the world.
and a lot of them don't pay any taxes, like Halliburton
don't compete; coexist
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Chicago to Have Highest U.S. Sales Tax; Enrolled Bill Shenanigans
by Joseph Henchman
Early Saturday, the Cook County Board voted 9-8 to raise their sales tax by a percentage point, to 10.25 percent, making it the highest in the country. The tax increase, which is estimated to raise an additional $426 million per year and will close a budget deficit and fund 1,100 new (patronage?) government jobs, goes into effect in November.
Board President Todd Stroger had wanted a 12 or 11.25 percent rate but came up a vote shy, and is now seeking an increase in other local taxes; in return for relenting on the sales tax, he agreed to give up total control over jobs at county hospitals (the new board will only be 9/20ths controlled by him). Opponents say the county is mismanaging the $3 billion in revenue it already collects.
Interestingly, the official record will say that Cook County's budget was passed at 11:55 PM on Friday night, not early Saturday morning at about 1AM when it actually was. That's because officials stopped the clock used for timekeeping as their way of complying with a law requiring them to pass the budget by midnight. Politicians get away with these shenanigans because of what's called the "enrolled bill rule"—essentially, judges who enforce such deadlines are obligated to accept the time stated in the record prepared by government officials, no matter how much evidence may prove it to be false. The application of the rule in such situations usually deprives the taxpayer protection of all effectiveness.
What a sales tax!!!! I thought our 9% was bad, but wow.....good ole' sales tax...that's sticking it to them rich people. :roll:
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why dont you folks that are for Obama care go and ask some Canadians how its working out for them ? Im really shocked why some people would want the gov. running health care.
And If I choose not to get health Insurance I'll get fined :evil: WTF kinda shit is that. You call that freedom? :roll: I call it socialism..
why dont you folks that are for Obama care go and ask some Canadians how its working out for them ? Im really shocked why some people would want the gov. running health care.
And If I choose not to get health Insurance I'll get fined :evil: WTF kinda shit is that. You call that freedom? :roll: I call it socialism..
Someone around here once did post a huge national survey of Canadians asking how it was working out for them. A some people did say they were frustrated at times by red tape. But almost EVERYONE said they'd never want to give it up.
Well maybe so But I for one dont want Obama care and you people are nuts if you think our healthcare system wont be in the shitter if this passes.
Don't get me wrong I realize that healthcare cost are thru the roof for some people,take my moms for instance she pays $400.00 a month through her employer she's 59 doesn't smoke and is in good health.
Well maybe so But I for one dont want Obama care and you people are nuts if you think our healthcare system wont be in the shitter if this passes.
Don't get me wrong I realize that healthcare cost are thru the roof for some people,take my moms for instance she pays $400.00 a month through her employer she's 59 doesn't smoke and is in good health.
Then what is your suggestion to fix our health care system? Because if you haven't noticed, it is ALREADY in the shitter. And the current system hurts individuals like your mother AND businesses like her employer. The problem is not costs, the problem is the for-profit health insurance industry and its stranglehold on all aspects of health care in this country, turning human medical care into a business where corners are cut to increase profits more easily and callously than Chinese toy makers treat toxic chemicals.
Well the consequences that the elderly are feeling from their program are this, limited colonoscopies have led to a 25% higher rate of colon cancer and a ban on the use of two best chemotherapies are part of the reason why 42% of canadians die with colon cancer die while 31% of americans who have access to these 2 medications survive the disease.
Honestly I don't know what the answer is but I do know this much.Today 80,000 doctors struggle to treat adequately the 250 million americans who have insurance .Obama will add 50 million more to their case load with no expansion the number of doctors and nurses . His plan will reduce their numbers by lowering reimbursement rates and imposing bureaucrats above them who will force medical decisions down their throats. fewer doctors will have to treat more patients . The inevitable result will be rationing
Honestly I don't know what the answer is but I do know this much.Today 80,000 doctors struggle to treat adequately the 250 million americans who have insurance .Obama will add 50 million more to their case load with no expansion the number of doctors and nurses . His plan will reduce their numbers by lowering reimbursement rates and imposing bureaucrats above them who will force medical decisions down their throats. fewer doctors will have to treat more patients . The inevitable result will be rationing
I'm not sure this is the case. I know people that have worked in doctor's offices and they say that an absurd amount of time in a doctor's office is spent paying people to file paperwork endlessly for 15 different insurance companies, calling claims reps to see if something is covered, etc. They could lose a ton of overhead and red tape by just having one payer (as opposed to hundreds of companies with different standards and coverage and forms to be filled out and doctor's signatures to be affixed). That's a lot more time spent with a patient. Plus, you have to factor in the freedom of people being able to go to any doctor they like, as opposed to having their choices limited by their insurance provider. This funnels a lot of people into a very limited number of offices. You expand the ability of many doctors to not have to join a practice and set up shop more locally, knowing they don't need to get cleared by dozens of different insurance companies to get paid for anything.
I also think it's pretty sick that you think you deserve care more than the uninsured. Heaven forbid they get a slice of the pie... that means you might have to wait another week or two for your checkup while some POOR person gets their first doctor's visit in 10 years. the horror!
For everyone that wants government run health care ask the Vets how theirs works for them.
I am against this.
think i'll ask the French, that's how it SHOULD be done.
first of all, France and America are two VERY different countries. 60 mil vs 300 mil. also, does France have millions of illegal aliens living within its borders? I really dont know but I doubt it. In America, tax payers are and will be forced to pick up their tab as well. most importantly, we can not afford UHC. taxs will eventually have to go up across the board. the rich can not fund us forever...they don't have enough money.
secondly, I wouldnt call France's system perfect or a model by which we should follow.
Funding. Most of the funding is from a 13.55% payroll tax (employers pay 12.8%, individuals pay 0.75%). There is a 5.25% general social contribution tax on income as well. Thus, there is an approximately a 18.8% on employees for health insurance. There are also dedicated taxes which are assessed on tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical company revenues.
...the program is threatened by increasing costs and may be forced to resort to rationing in the future.”
I also think it's pretty sick that you think you deserve care more than the uninsured. Heaven forbid they get a slice of the pie... that means you might have to wait another week or two for your checkup while some POOR person gets their first doctor's visit in 10 years. the horror!
I never said that. Im just pointing out the facts. Stop acting like a prick . :roll:
For everyone that wants government run health care ask the Vets how theirs works for them.
I am against this.
think i'll ask the French, that's how it SHOULD be done.
first of all, France and America are two VERY different countries. 60 mil vs 300 mil. also, does France have millions of illegal aliens living within its borders? I really dont know but I doubt it. In America, tax payers are and will be forced to pick up their tab as well. most importantly, we can not afford UHC. taxs will eventually have to go up across the board. the rich can not fund us forever...they don't have enough money.
secondly, I wouldnt call France's system perfect or a model by which we should follow.
Funding. Most of the funding is from a 13.55% payroll tax (employers pay 12.8%, individuals pay 0.75%). There is a 5.25% general social contribution tax on income as well. Thus, there is an approximately a 18.8% on employees for health insurance. There are also dedicated taxes which are assessed on tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical company revenues.
...the program is threatened by increasing costs and may be forced to resort to rationing in the future.”
We don't have to do it the way they do, but it is an inspiration. And I know the Scandinavian system works rather well. France has awful problems with unemployment and high taxation, and they have similar issues with immigration... there's a lot of tension between the French and Arab immigrants, just like there is here between Americans and Latinos/Hispanic immigration. They're not terribly inappropriate.
I don't like the idea of payroll taxes, but I think it could be done without increasing them here. In addition, you cancel social security, medicare, and medicaid. Roll all of those into one single-payer system. Those are already taken out of our checks anyway, so there will be no noticeable difference. I am also all for sin/use taxes. Let's put big taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, and fast food or sodas. We have problems with obesity because it's incredibly expensive to eat healthy and dirt cheap to eat junk. Tax fast food to encourage healthier eating. And maybe add in tax breaks for gym membership... any payments made to a gym are deducted from your income taxes. There are plenty of creative approaches possible.
My biggest beef with the current legislation is it looks like a hugely expensive bandaid that will solve none of the underlying problems because it cowtows too much to entrenched interests. It's a piecemeal plan with tons of holes that will take years of patchwork fixing to administer effectively, and the most problematic areas of current problems will not be touched by it. I'm all for Kucinich's plan. We need a sweeping overhaul here, not ineffective tinkering.
I also think it's pretty sick that you think you deserve care more than the uninsured. Heaven forbid they get a slice of the pie... that means you might have to wait another week or two for your checkup while some POOR person gets their first doctor's visit in 10 years. the horror!
I never said that. Im just pointing out the facts. Stop acting like a prick . :roll:
I'm not sure you pointed out any facts, just your speculation that you don't think doctors can handle the added number of visitors. I think the evidence weighs pretty strongly against that. Single-payer does add a lot of patients, but it also gives doctors far more patient time by cutting out tons of paperwork and wrangling with insurance companies. It also opens the door to more flexible, localized practices.
I've said before that I would be for some type of system for our poor. However there must be guarantees that illegal aliens will not be able to participate.
Honestly I don't know what the answer is but I do know this much.Today 80,000 doctors struggle to treat adequately the 250 million americans who have insurance .Obama will add 50 million more to their case load with no expansion the number of doctors and nurses . His plan will reduce their numbers by lowering reimbursement rates and imposing bureaucrats above them who will force medical decisions down their throats. fewer doctors will have to treat more patients . The inevitable result will be rationing
I've said before that I would be for some type of system for our poor. However there must be guarantees that illegal aliens will not be able to participate.
That reminds me of a story: We had a patient where I work who gave birth to her 3rd child and wanted her tubes tied. We couldn't do it because she's undocumented and therefore has no access to insurance. So she was put on a less expensive, less effective method of birth control. Fast forward a few years and she comes back - pregnant. She had an extremely complicated pregnancy and ended up having a c-section and a baby with lots of problems. She is told that it would be very dangerous for her to ever have another baby. Again, she wants her tubes tied and we can't do it because undocumented immigrants are not able to participate in our health system for the poor.
Now I know it would be absolutely outrageous for any of our hard-earned American dollars to be used for providing health care for another human being who... *gasp*... hasn't completed the proper paperwork. :roll: But guess who is now paying WAY, WAY more money to cover her complicated pregnancy & childbbirth - not to mention healthcare for her unintended child for rest of its life - when they could have just forked out much less for a tubal to begin with? That's right... us and our hard-earned American dollars.
Under the House legislation, families earning between $350,000 and $500,000 would pay an additional 1% in income tax. The new tax would increase with higher salaries so that families earning more than $1 million would pay an additional 5.4%. The tax would apply to the top 1.2% of households in the USA, according to a House Ways and Means Committee document.
I'm ok with this.
If my income was in the top 1.2% of households in the US, paying an additional 1% income tax to help someone less fortunate than i, would be the least of my worries.
The Health system in the States is nothing to be proud of. Government run health care is not without some problems either, but I've worked in a country that has universal health care and im working in a country that doesn't. So i have experienced both.
The one thing i will say about the Country that did have it....people that require urgent life saving non elective surgery are treated as a priority. The same thing does not happen here.
And thats a fact. What good is you having the best doctors in the world, when the people that need them the most can't get treatment?
I've said before that I would be for some type of system for our poor. However there must be guarantees that illegal aliens will not be able to participate.
i strongly disagree.
but i never agree with you on this issue, so nothing to see here. move along.
I've said before that I would be for some type of system for our poor. However there must be guarantees that illegal aliens will not be able to participate.
That reminds me of a story: We had a patient where I work who gave birth to her 3rd child and wanted her tubes tied. We couldn't do it because she's undocumented and therefore has no access to insurance. So she was put on a less expensive, less effective method of birth control. Fast forward a few years and she comes back - pregnant. She had an extremely complicated pregnancy and ended up having a c-section and a baby with lots of problems. She is told that it would be very dangerous for her to ever have another baby. Again, she wants her tubes tied and we can't do it because undocumented immigrants are not able to participate in our health system for the poor.
Now I know it would be absolutely outrageous for any of our hard-earned American dollars to be used for providing health care for another human being who... *gasp*... hasn't completed the proper paperwork. :roll: But guess who is now paying WAY, WAY more money to cover her complicated pregnancy & childbbirth - not to mention healthcare for her unintended child for rest of its life - when they could have just forked out much less for a tubal to begin with? That's right... us and our hard-earned American dollars.
gosh. another person who works in the health system too, and sees how it really is.
For everyone that wants government run health care ask the Vets how theirs works for them.
I am against this.
think i'll ask the French, that's how it SHOULD be done.
first of all, France and America are two VERY different countries. 60 mil vs 300 mil. also, does France have millions of illegal aliens living within its borders? I really dont know but I doubt it. In America, tax payers are and will be forced to pick up their tab as well. most importantly, we can not afford UHC. taxs will eventually have to go up across the board. the rich can not fund us forever...they don't have enough money.
secondly, I wouldnt call France's system perfect or a model by which we should follow.
Funding. Most of the funding is from a 13.55% payroll tax (employers pay 12.8%, individuals pay 0.75%). There is a 5.25% general social contribution tax on income as well. Thus, there is an approximately a 18.8% on employees for health insurance. There are also dedicated taxes which are assessed on tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical company revenues.
...the program is threatened by increasing costs and may be forced to resort to rationing in the future.”
if we can drop 1 trillion bombing brown people in Iraq we can sure as hell afford to take care of people living in the states. even if its more than 1 trillion, the US military budget is roughly equal to that of the rest of the world combined (not counting the wars in iraq and afghanistan), we can afford universal health care. we just need to decide how we want to spend our tax dollars -taking lives or saving them. basically we have the resources to cover every single american and illegal and not raise taxes, as it is.
france has less people, but we have more resources. its possible. cuba has more trained doctors operating around the world than we do, and they pay less for the exact same meds we get here. if cuba can do it, one of the poorest countries in the hemisphere, we sure as hell can do it better, its just a matter of motivating our leaders properly. strikes, riots, protests, if only americans weren't so lazy.
i think scb answered the question about the illegal immigrants. seems to be cheaper to allow them access to health care, in the long run.
I've said before that I would be for some type of system for our poor. However there must be guarantees that illegal aliens will not be able to participate.
That reminds me of a story: We had a patient where I work who gave birth to her 3rd child and wanted her tubes tied. We couldn't do it because she's undocumented and therefore has no access to insurance. So she was put on a less expensive, less effective method of birth control. Fast forward a few years and she comes back - pregnant. She had an extremely complicated pregnancy and ended up having a c-section and a baby with lots of problems. She is told that it would be very dangerous for her to ever have another baby. Again, she wants her tubes tied and we can't do it because undocumented immigrants are not able to participate in our health system for the poor.
Now I know it would be absolutely outrageous for any of our hard-earned American dollars to be used for providing health care for another human being who... *gasp*... hasn't completed the proper paperwork. :roll: But guess who is now paying WAY, WAY more money to cover her complicated pregnancy & childbbirth - not to mention healthcare for her unintended child for rest of its life - when they could have just forked out much less for a tubal to begin with? That's right... us and our hard-earned American dollars.
The medical bill should be sent to whatever country she is from. The taxpayers of this country should not have to pay for this criminal. Undocumented immigrants? That is like calling the street corner drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.
if we can drop 1 trillion bombing brown people in Iraq we can sure as hell afford to take care of people living in the states. even if its more than 1 trillion, the US military budget is roughly equal to that of the rest of the world combined (not counting the wars in iraq and afghanistan), we can afford universal health care. we just need to decide how we want to spend our tax dollars -taking lives or saving them. basically we have the resources to cover every single american and illegal and not raise taxes, as it is.
first of all, we CANT afford the war in Iraq. we have taken on massive amounts of debt to fund the war. secondly, UHC will far FAR more then 1 trillion. just look at medicare as an example...it is 30 tillion underfunded.
france has less people, but we have more resources. its possible. cuba has more trained doctors operating around the world than we do, and they pay less for the exact same meds we get here. if cuba can do it, one of the poorest countries in the hemisphere, we sure as hell can do it better, its just a matter of motivating our leaders properly. strikes, riots, protests, if only americans weren't so lazy.
we can improve, no question. but UHC will create more problems then it solves.
House Health Bill Penalizes All but Tiniest Employers for Not Providing Insurance
WASHINGTON -- House Democrats on Tuesday unveiled sweeping health-care legislation that would hit all but the smallest businesses with a penalty equal to 8% of payroll if they fail to provide health insurance to workers.
This, on the other hand is appalling, and a perfect illustration of why national health care is a good idea... we should stop burdening businesses with taking on the health care costs of their workers.
what's really scary is that health care costs exceed 8% of a businesses payroll anyway....I would immediately cease health insurance benefits and pay the 8% gladly
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forgot where i saw or heard it but health care companies have more overhead than all the other countries socialized health care costs....maybe it has to do with greed and the need to make more profits each quarter by giving people less coverage?
and a lot of them don't pay any taxes, like Halliburton
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I am against this.
+1
And If I choose not to get health Insurance I'll get fined :evil: WTF kinda shit is that. You call that freedom? :roll: I call it socialism..
Someone around here once did post a huge national survey of Canadians asking how it was working out for them. A some people did say they were frustrated at times by red tape. But almost EVERYONE said they'd never want to give it up.
Don't get me wrong I realize that healthcare cost are thru the roof for some people,take my moms for instance she pays $400.00 a month through her employer she's 59 doesn't smoke and is in good health.
Then what is your suggestion to fix our health care system? Because if you haven't noticed, it is ALREADY in the shitter. And the current system hurts individuals like your mother AND businesses like her employer. The problem is not costs, the problem is the for-profit health insurance industry and its stranglehold on all aspects of health care in this country, turning human medical care into a business where corners are cut to increase profits more easily and callously than Chinese toy makers treat toxic chemicals.
Fuck that shit, for want of a better expression.
Honestly I don't know what the answer is but I do know this much.Today 80,000 doctors struggle to treat adequately the 250 million americans who have insurance .Obama will add 50 million more to their case load with no expansion the number of doctors and nurses . His plan will reduce their numbers by lowering reimbursement rates and imposing bureaucrats above them who will force medical decisions down their throats. fewer doctors will have to treat more patients . The inevitable result will be rationing
I'm not sure this is the case. I know people that have worked in doctor's offices and they say that an absurd amount of time in a doctor's office is spent paying people to file paperwork endlessly for 15 different insurance companies, calling claims reps to see if something is covered, etc. They could lose a ton of overhead and red tape by just having one payer (as opposed to hundreds of companies with different standards and coverage and forms to be filled out and doctor's signatures to be affixed). That's a lot more time spent with a patient. Plus, you have to factor in the freedom of people being able to go to any doctor they like, as opposed to having their choices limited by their insurance provider. This funnels a lot of people into a very limited number of offices. You expand the ability of many doctors to not have to join a practice and set up shop more locally, knowing they don't need to get cleared by dozens of different insurance companies to get paid for anything.
I also think it's pretty sick that you think you deserve care more than the uninsured. Heaven forbid they get a slice of the pie... that means you might have to wait another week or two for your checkup while some POOR person gets their first doctor's visit in 10 years. the horror!
first of all, France and America are two VERY different countries. 60 mil vs 300 mil. also, does France have millions of illegal aliens living within its borders? I really dont know but I doubt it. In America, tax payers are and will be forced to pick up their tab as well. most importantly, we can not afford UHC. taxs will eventually have to go up across the board. the rich can not fund us forever...they don't have enough money.
secondly, I wouldnt call France's system perfect or a model by which we should follow.
http://healthcare-economist.com/2008/04 ... ld-france/
this would most certainly have to happen here...
Funding. Most of the funding is from a 13.55% payroll tax (employers pay 12.8%, individuals pay 0.75%). There is a 5.25% general social contribution tax on income as well. Thus, there is an approximately a 18.8% on employees for health insurance. There are also dedicated taxes which are assessed on tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical company revenues.
...the program is threatened by increasing costs and may be forced to resort to rationing in the future.”
I never said that. Im just pointing out the facts. Stop acting like a prick . :roll:
We don't have to do it the way they do, but it is an inspiration. And I know the Scandinavian system works rather well. France has awful problems with unemployment and high taxation, and they have similar issues with immigration... there's a lot of tension between the French and Arab immigrants, just like there is here between Americans and Latinos/Hispanic immigration. They're not terribly inappropriate.
I don't like the idea of payroll taxes, but I think it could be done without increasing them here. In addition, you cancel social security, medicare, and medicaid. Roll all of those into one single-payer system. Those are already taken out of our checks anyway, so there will be no noticeable difference. I am also all for sin/use taxes. Let's put big taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, and fast food or sodas. We have problems with obesity because it's incredibly expensive to eat healthy and dirt cheap to eat junk. Tax fast food to encourage healthier eating. And maybe add in tax breaks for gym membership... any payments made to a gym are deducted from your income taxes. There are plenty of creative approaches possible.
My biggest beef with the current legislation is it looks like a hugely expensive bandaid that will solve none of the underlying problems because it cowtows too much to entrenched interests. It's a piecemeal plan with tons of holes that will take years of patchwork fixing to administer effectively, and the most problematic areas of current problems will not be touched by it. I'm all for Kucinich's plan. We need a sweeping overhaul here, not ineffective tinkering.
I'm not sure you pointed out any facts, just your speculation that you don't think doctors can handle the added number of visitors. I think the evidence weighs pretty strongly against that. Single-payer does add a lot of patients, but it also gives doctors far more patient time by cutting out tons of paperwork and wrangling with insurance companies. It also opens the door to more flexible, localized practices.
People aren't asking for government RUN health care, just government PAID FOR healthcare.
http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=102298&p=2379623#p2379623
That reminds me of a story: We had a patient where I work who gave birth to her 3rd child and wanted her tubes tied. We couldn't do it because she's undocumented and therefore has no access to insurance. So she was put on a less expensive, less effective method of birth control. Fast forward a few years and she comes back - pregnant. She had an extremely complicated pregnancy and ended up having a c-section and a baby with lots of problems. She is told that it would be very dangerous for her to ever have another baby. Again, she wants her tubes tied and we can't do it because undocumented immigrants are not able to participate in our health system for the poor.
Now I know it would be absolutely outrageous for any of our hard-earned American dollars to be used for providing health care for another human being who... *gasp*... hasn't completed the proper paperwork. :roll: But guess who is now paying WAY, WAY more money to cover her complicated pregnancy & childbbirth - not to mention healthcare for her unintended child for rest of its life - when they could have just forked out much less for a tubal to begin with? That's right... us and our hard-earned American dollars.
Well the government is not paying for it, the taxpayers are.
If my income was in the top 1.2% of households in the US, paying an additional 1% income tax to help someone less fortunate than i, would be the least of my worries.
The Health system in the States is nothing to be proud of. Government run health care is not without some problems either, but I've worked in a country that has universal health care and im working in a country that doesn't. So i have experienced both.
The one thing i will say about the Country that did have it....people that require urgent life saving non elective surgery are treated as a priority. The same thing does not happen here.
And thats a fact. What good is you having the best doctors in the world, when the people that need them the most can't get treatment?
but i never agree with you on this issue, so nothing to see here. move along.
gosh. another person who works in the health system too, and sees how it really is.
thank you.
if we can drop 1 trillion bombing brown people in Iraq we can sure as hell afford to take care of people living in the states. even if its more than 1 trillion, the US military budget is roughly equal to that of the rest of the world combined (not counting the wars in iraq and afghanistan), we can afford universal health care. we just need to decide how we want to spend our tax dollars -taking lives or saving them. basically we have the resources to cover every single american and illegal and not raise taxes, as it is.
france has less people, but we have more resources. its possible. cuba has more trained doctors operating around the world than we do, and they pay less for the exact same meds we get here. if cuba can do it, one of the poorest countries in the hemisphere, we sure as hell can do it better, its just a matter of motivating our leaders properly. strikes, riots, protests, if only americans weren't so lazy.
i think scb answered the question about the illegal immigrants. seems to be cheaper to allow them access to health care, in the long run.
The medical bill should be sent to whatever country she is from. The taxpayers of this country should not have to pay for this criminal. Undocumented immigrants? That is like calling the street corner drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.
first of all, we CANT afford the war in Iraq. we have taken on massive amounts of debt to fund the war. secondly, UHC will far FAR more then 1 trillion. just look at medicare as an example...it is 30 tillion underfunded.
we can improve, no question. but UHC will create more problems then it solves.
or, they can pay taxes like everyone else. there's a novice idea eh?
what's really scary is that health care costs exceed 8% of a businesses payroll anyway....I would immediately cease health insurance benefits and pay the 8% gladly
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