I've said before that I would be for some type of system for our poor. However there must be guarantees that illegal aliens will not be able to participate.
That reminds me of a story: We had a patient where I work who gave birth to her 3rd child and wanted her tubes tied. We couldn't do it because she's undocumented and therefore has no access to insurance. So she was put on a less expensive, less effective method of birth control. Fast forward a few years and she comes back - pregnant. She had an extremely complicated pregnancy and ended up having a c-section and a baby with lots of problems. She is told that it would be very dangerous for her to ever have another baby. Again, she wants her tubes tied and we can't do it because undocumented immigrants are not able to participate in our health system for the poor.
Now I know it would be absolutely outrageous for any of our hard-earned American dollars to be used for providing health care for another human being who... *gasp*... hasn't completed the proper paperwork. :roll: But guess who is now paying WAY, WAY more money to cover her complicated pregnancy & childbbirth - not to mention healthcare for her unintended child for rest of its life - when they could have just forked out much less for a tubal to begin with? That's right... us and our hard-earned American dollars.
good story...
the same situation pops up with all uninsured Americans....they WILL get the care they need at some point and we will pay for it...but if we paid for preventative care NOW we would pay less in the long run
socialize health care NOW
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what's really scary is that health care costs exceed 8% of a businesses payroll anyway....I would immediately cease health insurance benefits and pay the 8% gladly
our gov't at work....health care is a right....socialized care now
House Health Bill Penalizes All but Tiniest Employers for Not Providing Insurance
WASHINGTON -- House Democrats on Tuesday unveiled sweeping health-care legislation that would hit all but the smallest businesses with a penalty equal to 8% of payroll if they fail to provide health insurance to workers.
This, on the other hand is appalling, and a perfect illustration of why national health care is a good idea... we should stop burdening businesses with taking on the health care costs of their workers.
what's really scary is that health care costs exceed 8% of a businesses payroll anyway....I would immediately cease health insurance benefits and pay the 8% gladly
our gov't at work....health care is a right....socialized care now
You need to stop posting. All these health care professionals and small business owners offering personal experience on the matter and saying national heatlh care would benefit them... it's making it increasingly hard for the boys-who-cry-socialism to keep making their faux-arguments that this would kill health care and small businesses.
Well maybe so But I for one dont want Obama care and you people are nuts if you think our healthcare system wont be in the shitter if this passes.
Don't get me wrong I realize that healthcare cost are thru the roof for some people,take my moms for instance she pays $400.00 a month through her employer she's 59 doesn't smoke and is in good health.
I guess the free-market system is working just fine for your Mom...right...?
typical...you're the one claiming money paid in taxes is "stolen" money, then go on to say I'm overreacting...
I'm simply following your flawed logic...funny how that doesn't work for you...
my logic isnt flawed. the funding for Obama's healthcare plan is being stolen from the rich. if people were taxed across the board, then yea if might be a little more fair. typical response from you though as you rarely provide actual debate. just little hit and run sarcastic one liners.
You need to stop posting. All these health care professionals and small business owners offering personal experience on the matter and saying national heatlh care would benefit them... it's making it increasingly hard for the boys-who-cry-socialism to keep making their faux-arguments that this would kill health care and small businesses.
heh....I'm a small business owner and a business advisor....it's amazing how many right winger clients I have that are starting to see the light...
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typical...you're the one claiming money paid in taxes is "stolen" money, then go on to say I'm overreacting...
I'm simply following your flawed logic...funny how that doesn't work for you...
my logic isnt flawed. the funding for Obama's healthcare plan is being stolen from the rich. if people were taxed across the board, then yea if might be a little more fair. typical response from you though as you rarely provide actual debate. just little hit and run sarcastic one liners.
the rich pay more in our system....they always have because they have the "wherewithal to pay"
you'd better get off here and go listen to Rush Limbaugh before you start to learn something
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typical...you're the one claiming money paid in taxes is "stolen" money, then go on to say I'm overreacting...
I'm simply following your flawed logic...funny how that doesn't work for you...
my logic isnt flawed. the funding for Obama's healthcare plan is being stolen from the rich. if people were taxed across the board, then yea if might be a little more fair. typical response from you though as you rarely provide actual debate. just little hit and run sarcastic one liners.
oh, it is flawed...plain and simple...let's look at it...you clam taxes = stolen money...I didn't say that, you did...how many paragraphs do I need to write to explain that your wrong in your line of thinking...I know you're using the word "stolen" to emphasize some silly notion you have...I understand it may be frustrating to you when I take your flawed logic and apply it to other things...If you say money is being stolen by way of paying taxes then why not do away with the gov't...after all, you say they are criminals, because criminals steal money, right?...
also, you imply that when the "rich" pay taxes the money is "stolen"...so, I would assume that when the "non-rich" pay taxes that money is also stolen money...right...?
typical...you're the one claiming money paid in taxes is "stolen" money, then go on to say I'm overreacting...
I'm simply following your flawed logic...funny how that doesn't work for you...
my logic isnt flawed. the funding for Obama's healthcare plan is being stolen from the rich. if people were taxed across the board, then yea if might be a little more fair. typical response from you though as you rarely provide actual debate. just little hit and run sarcastic one liners.
Stealing is taking without consent. The rich consent by availing themselves of the advantages of American life and law and casting votes for representatives that make these decisions. They know this. You can call it what you want, but stealing is a cheap emotional ploy and you know it.
oh, it is flawed...plain and simple...let's look at it...you clam taxes = stolen money...I didn't say that, you did...
no I didnt. I said the MORE taxes the rich have to pay for this particular plan is being stolen. they, and only they, are being forced to pay for this.
how many paragraphs do I need to write to explain that your wrong in your line of thinking...I know you're using the word "stolen" to emphasize some silly notion you have...I understand it may be frustrating to you when I take your flawed logic and apply it to other things...If you say money is being stolen by way of paying taxes then why not do away with the gov't...after all, you say they are criminals, because criminals steal money, right?...
because I never said I want to do away with government. you did. what I do want is government and taxation to be fair.
also, you imply that when the "rich" pay taxes the money is "stolen"...so, I would assume that when the "non-rich" pay taxes that money is also stolen money...right...?
Stealing is taking without consent. The rich consent by availing themselves of the advantages of American life and law and casting votes for representatives that make these decisions. They know this. You can call it what you want, but stealing is a cheap emotional ploy and you know it.
I'd bet most of the rich in this country vote republican or libertarian. so no, they are not consenting to having more and more money taken from them.
were the rich asked if they would fund health care?
the rich pay more in our system....they always have because they have the "wherewithal to pay"
so everytime we need something, we should just take it from the rich?
No, but when we as a society deem that for our social stability we need the government to provide certain services, the burden of those services should be allocated in a manner that fairly burdens this to the extent they can bear it. Thus, the poor pay nothing, the middle class pay something, and the wealthy pay more. If you don't like it, you can move back to feudal England where the rich paid nothing and the taxes were borne entirely by the poor... that worked pretty well I hear.
Stealing is taking without consent. The rich consent by availing themselves of the advantages of American life and law and casting votes for representatives that make these decisions. They know this. You can call it what you want, but stealing is a cheap emotional ploy and you know it.
I'd bet most of the rich in this country vote republican or libertarian. so no, they are not consenting to having more and more money taken from them.
were the rich asked if they would fund health care?
So you're actually saying that anytime an elected official enacts a law that harms me, and I didn't vote for them, that person is a criminal?
The rich have republican reps in congress to represent their views, and they can always vote the people they don't like out by persuading their fellow citizens it's in their best interests. They consent when they choose to remain here and subject themselves to American law. Furthermore, they consent when they take advantage of American law to form corporations and increase the profits and buy stock and any other of the hundreds of advantages being American gave them that helped the GET rich. So don't cry to me when they're asked to give something back for the benefits they received.
The rich have republican reps in congress to represent their views, and they can always vote the people they don't like out by persuading their fellow citizens it's in their best interests.
not quite. dems have a super majority. the right or anyone, have virtually NO voice in this country right now.
They consent when they choose to remain here and subject themselves to American law. Furthermore, they consent when they take advantage of American law to form corporations and increase the profits and buy stock and any other of the hundreds of advantages being American gave them that helped the GET rich. So don't cry to me when they're asked to give something back for the benefits they received.
lol, yea ok. lets just spread the wealth around. its only fair. and the America way!
were the rich asked if they would fund health care?
wait, what...? now the "rich" need to "asked" if they want to pay taxes....my, aren't they special...
to elaborate...I find it disheartening that someone would support the idea that a special class of folks need to be asked to pay taxes simply based on there net worth...it's a shame that something as important as health care turns into a debate about how special the wealthy are...for the record, I have never been asked whether or not I'd be willing to pay taxes...perhaps you have, and if so, could I get the contact information of the person you spoke to...I'd like to have a conversation with them, as well...thanks for your help...
The rich have republican reps in congress to represent their views, and they can always vote the people they don't like out by persuading their fellow citizens it's in their best interests.
not quite. dems have a super majority. the right or anyone, have virtually NO voice in this country right now.
I'm gonna use that one on the bar. Shit, I should've used it when I got busted for drunk driving... no your honor, I broke no laws, THEY robbed ME of my right to drive drunk when they passed the law criminalizing it... cos I never voted for that guy.
The dems would not have a super majority if the republicans hadn't done such a shit job of responding to the needs and desires of the American people that they got voted out en masse. This is what the rich never understand... you're outnumbered. It's in your best interest to be generous and logical and share just enough power and wealth to keep the masses docile. Otherwise, you end up here... since you won't share, we'll get our numbers together and take it... at least we do it now by voting and taxing instead of violent revolution. You may lose your house in the Hamptons, but you keep your head.
since you won't share, we'll get our numbers together and take it...
or something like this...
since you won't share, we'll get our numbers together and steal it...
count me out. I'm all for people keeping the money they earn.
It's only stealing if it's illegal. You're starting to sound like onelongsong.
doesn't matter. I still think its a scary notion and statement....and completely unfair and unamerican. if you work hard, innovate, create, and become wealthy...you shouldn't be forced to give it to a bunch of people who "banded together and took it"
why dont you folks that are for Obama care go and ask some Canadians how its working out for them ? Im really shocked why some people would want the gov. running health care.
And If I choose not to get health Insurance I'll get fined :evil: WTF kinda shit is that. You call that freedom? :roll: I call it socialism..
aren't there more uninsured americans than the entire population of Canada?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
For everyone that wants government run health care ask the Vets how theirs works for them.
I am against this.
think i'll ask the French, that's how it SHOULD be done.
first of all, France and America are two VERY different countries. 60 mil vs 300 mil. also, does France have millions of illegal aliens living within its borders? I really dont know but I doubt it. In America, tax payers are and will be forced to pick up their tab as well. most importantly, we can not afford UHC. taxs will eventually have to go up across the board. the rich can not fund us forever...they don't have enough money.
secondly, I wouldnt call France's system perfect or a model by which we should follow.
Funding. Most of the funding is from a 13.55% payroll tax (employers pay 12.8%, individuals pay 0.75%). There is a 5.25% general social contribution tax on income as well. Thus, there is an approximately a 18.8% on employees for health insurance. There are also dedicated taxes which are assessed on tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical company revenues.
...the program is threatened by increasing costs and may be forced to resort to rationing in the future.”
illegal aliens DO pay taxes. They buy food, cars, services....all of which are TAXED. Also, many of them work shitty, low paying jobs BUT since they are illegal many don't file any taxes so they don't get a refund as an american who worked the same job and filed his/her taxes would get all of their taxes paid given back to them
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Well the consequences that the elderly are feeling from their program are this, limited colonoscopies have led to a 25% higher rate of colon cancer and a ban on the use of two best chemotherapies are part of the reason why 42% of canadians die with colon cancer die while 31% of americans who have access to these 2 medications survive the disease.
Honestly I don't know what the answer is but I do know this much.Today 80,000 doctors struggle to treat adequately the 250 million americans who have insurance .Obama will add 50 million more to their case load with no expansion the number of doctors and nurses . His plan will reduce their numbers by lowering reimbursement rates and imposing bureaucrats above them who will force medical decisions down their throats. fewer doctors will have to treat more patients . The inevitable result will be rationing
wait....42% of Canadians die and 31% of Americans live....doesn't that mean 69% of Americans die from it? and isn't 69 more than 42??
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
My biggest beef with the current legislation is it looks like a hugely expensive bandaid that will solve none of the underlying problems because it cowtows too much to entrenched interests. It's a piecemeal plan with tons of holes that will take years of patchwork fixing to administer effectively, and the most problematic areas of current problems will not be touched by it.
isn't this politics 101?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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good story...
the same situation pops up with all uninsured Americans....they WILL get the care they need at some point and we will pay for it...but if we paid for preventative care NOW we would pay less in the long run
socialize health care NOW
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
is eating a right?
You need to stop posting. All these health care professionals and small business owners offering personal experience on the matter and saying national heatlh care would benefit them... it's making it increasingly hard for the boys-who-cry-socialism to keep making their faux-arguments that this would kill health care and small businesses.
typical...you're the one claiming money paid in taxes is "stolen" money, then go on to say I'm overreacting...
I'm simply following your flawed logic...funny how that doesn't work for you...
I guess the free-market system is working just fine for your Mom...right...?
my logic isnt flawed. the funding for Obama's healthcare plan is being stolen from the rich. if people were taxed across the board, then yea if might be a little more fair. typical response from you though as you rarely provide actual debate. just little hit and run sarcastic one liners.
heh....I'm a small business owner and a business advisor....it's amazing how many right winger clients I have that are starting to see the light...
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
the rich pay more in our system....they always have because they have the "wherewithal to pay"
you'd better get off here and go listen to Rush Limbaugh before you start to learn something
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
oh, it is flawed...plain and simple...let's look at it...you clam taxes = stolen money...I didn't say that, you did...how many paragraphs do I need to write to explain that your wrong in your line of thinking...I know you're using the word "stolen" to emphasize some silly notion you have...I understand it may be frustrating to you when I take your flawed logic and apply it to other things...If you say money is being stolen by way of paying taxes then why not do away with the gov't...after all, you say they are criminals, because criminals steal money, right?...
also, you imply that when the "rich" pay taxes the money is "stolen"...so, I would assume that when the "non-rich" pay taxes that money is also stolen money...right...?
and I don't want to fund criminals...do you...?
so everytime we need something, we should just take it from the rich?
not sure what this even means, but maybe you should not start out with personal attacks.
Stealing is taking without consent. The rich consent by availing themselves of the advantages of American life and law and casting votes for representatives that make these decisions. They know this. You can call it what you want, but stealing is a cheap emotional ploy and you know it.
no I didnt. I said the MORE taxes the rich have to pay for this particular plan is being stolen. they, and only they, are being forced to pay for this.
because I never said I want to do away with government. you did. what I do want is government and taxation to be fair.
no, not right. stop assuming.
its seriously like debating with a child. grow up
I'd bet most of the rich in this country vote republican or libertarian. so no, they are not consenting to having more and more money taken from them.
were the rich asked if they would fund health care?
No, but when we as a society deem that for our social stability we need the government to provide certain services, the burden of those services should be allocated in a manner that fairly burdens this to the extent they can bear it. Thus, the poor pay nothing, the middle class pay something, and the wealthy pay more. If you don't like it, you can move back to feudal England where the rich paid nothing and the taxes were borne entirely by the poor... that worked pretty well I hear.
So you're actually saying that anytime an elected official enacts a law that harms me, and I didn't vote for them, that person is a criminal?
The rich have republican reps in congress to represent their views, and they can always vote the people they don't like out by persuading their fellow citizens it's in their best interests. They consent when they choose to remain here and subject themselves to American law. Furthermore, they consent when they take advantage of American law to form corporations and increase the profits and buy stock and any other of the hundreds of advantages being American gave them that helped the GET rich. So don't cry to me when they're asked to give something back for the benefits they received.
damn well should be. I sure hope we never have elected officials enact laws that actually harm you.
not quite. dems have a super majority. the right or anyone, have virtually NO voice in this country right now.
lol, yea ok. lets just spread the wealth around. its only fair. and the America way!
oh well... :roll:
stolen, taken, forced. call it what you will.
wait, what...? now the "rich" need to "asked" if they want to pay taxes....my, aren't they special...
to elaborate...I find it disheartening that someone would support the idea that a special class of folks need to be asked to pay taxes simply based on there net worth...it's a shame that something as important as health care turns into a debate about how special the wealthy are...for the record, I have never been asked whether or not I'd be willing to pay taxes...perhaps you have, and if so, could I get the contact information of the person you spoke to...I'd like to have a conversation with them, as well...thanks for your help...
I call it "paying taxes"...
I'm gonna use that one on the bar. Shit, I should've used it when I got busted for drunk driving... no your honor, I broke no laws, THEY robbed ME of my right to drive drunk when they passed the law criminalizing it... cos I never voted for that guy.
The dems would not have a super majority if the republicans hadn't done such a shit job of responding to the needs and desires of the American people that they got voted out en masse. This is what the rich never understand... you're outnumbered. It's in your best interest to be generous and logical and share just enough power and wealth to keep the masses docile. Otherwise, you end up here... since you won't share, we'll get our numbers together and take it... at least we do it now by voting and taxing instead of violent revolution. You may lose your house in the Hamptons, but you keep your head.
or something like this...
since you won't share, we'll get our numbers together and steal it...
count me out. I'm all for people keeping the money they earn.
It's only stealing if it's illegal. You're starting to sound like onelongsong.
doesn't matter. I still think its a scary notion and statement....and completely unfair and unamerican. if you work hard, innovate, create, and become wealthy...you shouldn't be forced to give it to a bunch of people who "banded together and took it"
RIP OLS
aren't there more uninsured americans than the entire population of Canada?
here's some stats about Canada's health care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0qPYkfN ... r_embedded
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
illegal aliens DO pay taxes. They buy food, cars, services....all of which are TAXED. Also, many of them work shitty, low paying jobs BUT since they are illegal many don't file any taxes so they don't get a refund as an american who worked the same job and filed his/her taxes would get all of their taxes paid given back to them
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
wait....42% of Canadians die and 31% of Americans live....doesn't that mean 69% of Americans die from it? and isn't 69 more than 42??
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
isn't this politics 101?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'