Aaron Rodgers revolutionized the game as a QB. He mastered the Hail Mary, mastered getting free plays, and mastered the art of the scramble; things that no QB has ever done, period.
If Aaron Rodgers is on the Patriots, the Patriots wouldn't have had to make a comeback yesterday. Brady is so slow and terrible at scrambling that when they pressured him he was stuck, and couldn't do anything.
Mastered a hall Mary? There's a reason its called a hail Mary. Perhaps your young or just started watching football but he hardly mastered the free play. Qbs have been doing it for ages..elway perhaps the best. Scramble?? Does Steve young ring a bell?
I've been watching football ever since i was born. Sure the free play existed, and Rodgers isn't the first QB to use it, but he is by far the first to weaponize it. And he sure as hell has mastered the hail mary. It's all about the arc. He's 3/5 in his career, far better than anyone in the history of the NFL. In the last two seasons, Aaron Rodgers is 5/8 on 30+ yard throws with under a minute remaining in play, the rest of the NFL was 4/44.
Aaron Rodgers revolutionized the game as a QB. He mastered the Hail Mary, mastered getting free plays, and mastered the art of the scramble; things that no QB has ever done, period.
If Aaron Rodgers is on the Patriots, the Patriots wouldn't have had to make a comeback yesterday. Brady is so slow and terrible at scrambling that when they pressured him he was stuck, and couldn't do anything.
Now I've heard it all, And that folks, is why the Patriots lost the Super Bowl.
The reason their offense couldn't perform in the start was because Brady was pressured. He didn't have time in the pocket, and he's terrible at scrambling, that's a fact. When they pressured Brady, the Patriots only put up 3 points. Then in the second half they started to go into prevent, no pressure, Brady had time. Then their defense was constantly on the field, so even when they tried bringing pressure it was not as fast as before, more time again for Brady. That's the reason their offense got better; Brady can't do anything when he has little time in the pocket.
I'd say much more than Brady has. What is different about Brady? Nothing really. He's really good at everything you expect a quarterback to be good at. Rodgers is really good at everything expected and beyond.
People put too much thought of success when measuring talent. Rodgers is the better quarterback, and anyone who thinks otherwise is either unintelligent or just can't get over their post super bowl hard on for Brady.
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Aaron Rodgers revolutionized the game as a QB. He mastered the Hail Mary, mastered getting free plays, and mastered the art of the scramble; things that no QB has ever done, period.
If Aaron Rodgers is on the Patriots, the Patriots wouldn't have had to make a comeback yesterday. Brady is so slow and terrible at scrambling that when they pressured him he was stuck, and couldn't do anything.
Mastered a hall Mary? There's a reason its called a hail Mary. Perhaps your young or just started watching football but he hardly mastered the free play. Qbs have been doing it for ages..elway perhaps the best. Scramble?? Does Steve young ring a bell?
I've been watching football ever since i was born. Sure the free play existed, and Rodgers isn't the first QB to use it, but he is by far the first to weaponize it. And he sure as hell has mastered the hail mary. It's all about the arc. He's 3/5 in his career, far better than anyone in the history of the NFL. In the last two seasons, Aaron Rodgers is 5/8 on 30+ yard throws with under a minute remaining in play, the rest of the NFL was 4/44.
Aaron Rodgers revolutionized the game as a QB. He mastered the Hail Mary, mastered getting free plays, and mastered the art of the scramble; things that no QB has ever done, period.
If Aaron Rodgers is on the Patriots, the Patriots wouldn't have had to make a comeback yesterday. Brady is so slow and terrible at scrambling that when they pressured him he was stuck, and couldn't do anything.
Now I've heard it all, And that folks, is why the Patriots lost the Super Bowl.
The reason their offense couldn't perform in the start was because Brady was pressured. He didn't have time in the pocket, and he's terrible at scrambling, that's a fact. When they pressured Brady, the Patriots only put up 3 points. Then in the second half they started to go into prevent, no pressure, Brady had time. Then their defense was constantly on the field, so even when they tried bringing pressure it was not as fast as before, more time again for Brady. That's the reason their offense got better; Brady can't do anything when he has little time in the pocket.
I'd say much more than Brady has. What is different about Brady? Nothing really. He's really good at everything you expect a quarterback to be good at. Rodgers is really good at everything expected and beyond.
People put too much thought of success when measuring talent. Rodgers is the better quarterback, and anyone who thinks otherwise is either unintelligent or just can't get over their post super bowl hard on for Brady.
Unintelligent? Whether Rodgers has "revolutionized" the game as a QB has nothing to do with Tom Brady.
Aaron Rodgers is very good. To say he revolutionized anything is an overstatement.
Let me know when Aaron has played in 7 Super Bowls and won 5. I believe if you compare their stats for comparable years, 2005-2016, you'll see Brady had better numbers, including when they went head to head. Who gives a shit whether a QB can scramble or throw a Hail Mary? Wins are what matter, particularly Super Bowl wins. Just ask Marino. Brady is the better quarterback. Period.
Let me know when Aaron has played in 7 Super Bowls and won 5. I believe if you compare their stats for comparable years, 2005-2016, you'll see Brady had better numbers, including when they went head to head. Who gives a shit whether a QB can scramble or throw a Hail Mary? Wins are what matter, particularly Super Bowl wins. Just ask Marino. Brady is the better quarterback. Period.
how are those comparable years? Rodgers wasn't a starter until 2008.
Who cares about wins!!! This is not the most successful quarterback of all time discussion. This is the GREATEST quarterback of all time discussion.
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Let me know when Aaron has played in 7 Super Bowls and won 5. I believe if you compare their stats for comparable years, 2005-2016, you'll see Brady had better numbers, including when they went head to head. Who gives a shit whether a QB can scramble or throw a Hail Mary? Wins are what matter, particularly Super Bowl wins. Just ask Marino. Brady is the better quarterback. Period.
how are those comparable years? Rodgers wasn't a starter until 2008.
Who cares about wins!!! This is not the most successful quarterback of all time discussion. This is the GREATEST quarterback of all time discussion.
Okay, compare from 2008 to 2016. Aaron Rodgers will be but a footnote to the game. Who cares about wins? The whole team's organization and its fan base. It's why they play the game. And the GREATEST is Tom Brady.
- Tom Brady's first year as a starter was in 2001. He had 6 season of starting before 2007, and his stats were not impressive those 6 season. This is important because in my opinion an even more fair comparison would be using those stats, because Rodgers stats start directly when he became a starter, unlike Brady who had 6 mediocre seasons that were unaccounted for. - Understand that the "Average QB Passer Rating" is not the same thing as the total passer rating for the mentioned seasons. I could not find that stat for either QB and I don't have the available stats or time to calculate it (I would have to factor in each play of all of the mentioned seasons for each QB in the calculations.) - I tried to put in as much perspective as I could. There were differences in numbers of games and attempts and stuff like that, so I tried to put as many averages as I could.
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So reviewing those stats (factoring in the advantage given to Brady as stated above), there's no way you should think Brady is the better QB. Their passing stats are pretty even, Rodgers is better in some, Brady in others. The rushing stats are what puts Rodgers ahead of Brady, as he is just so much more mobile.
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So reviewing those stats (factoring in the advantage given to Brady as stated above), there's no way you should think Brady is the better QB. Their passing stats are pretty even, Rodgers is better in some, Brady in others. The rushing stats are what puts Rodgers ahead of Brady, as he is just so much more mobile.
Brady's "mediocre years," he won 3 Super Bowls. And despite Aaron's rushing prowess, how many Super Bowls has he played in? Tom had 3 in his first five years. And I would argue that Brady's ability to remain in the pocket and the quickness with which he assesses the field and releases the ball are far superior to QB rushing yards. No team wants their QB rushing the ball.
So reviewing those stats (factoring in the advantage given to Brady as stated above), there's no way you should think Brady is the better QB. Their passing stats are pretty even, Rodgers is better in some, Brady in others. The rushing stats are what puts Rodgers ahead of Brady, as he is just so much more mobile.
Brady's "mediocre years," he won 3 Super Bowls. And despite Aaron's rushing prowess, how many Super Bowls has he played in? Tom had 3 in his first five years. And I would argue that Brady's ability to remain in the pocket and the quickness with which he assesses the field and releases the ball are far superior to QB rushing yards. No team wants their QB rushing the ball.
again with the idiotic belief that success=greatness. Brady's best QB rating from those seasons was 92.6, Rodgers' worst QB Rating was 92.7 two seasons ago. Rodgers only had 28 touchdowns in 2010 (his lowest season for touchdowns (I didn't include 2013 this time because he only played in 9 games)), which was the highest total TDs Brady had in the seasons not included.
If I took Brady's first 9 season instead, the stats would've been well in Aaron's favor. So to avoid the shit storm I'd get from that, I gave Brady the advantage and Rodgers still had better stats.
Bart Starr won 5 championships too, do you think he is better than Rodgers? Bradshaw had 4 super bowls, is he better than Rodgers too? You can for sure factor in success when thinking of a team's greatness, because success is a team thing. You can't factor in success in individual players, because it just isn't logical.
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Bart Starr is the GOAT. He won just as many championships in less time than Brady. This means that he is better, because all that matters is final score right?
Success = Team
Greatness = Individual ability
I have given you facts and stats that all prove that Aaron Rodgers is the superior quarterback, but if you can't even comprehend the difference between success and greatness then it's a lost cause.
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Bart Starr is the GOAT. He won just as many championships in less time than Brady. This means that he is better, because all that matters is final score right?
Success = Team
Greatness = Individual ability
I have given you facts and stats that all prove that Aaron Rodgers is the superior quarterback, but if you can't even comprehend the difference between success and greatness then it's a lost cause.
I'm okay with my lost cause. 20 years from now, no one will remember Aaron Rodgers for his Hail Mary, scrambling ability or having "revolutionized the game." Tom Brady's name will be brought up during every super bowl until someone gets close to tying him or breaking his record. And that someone won't be Aaron Rodgers, forever in Tom's shadow.
Someone that hasn't even been a starting QB for an entire decade yet is NOT the greatest QB of all time. Jesus Christ. Rodgers is good, but he's not the greatest of all time.
Stats are fine but stats alone don't determine greatness. If you are playing the game to earn stats you are playing the game wrong. You are playing to win the game, to win your division, to win your conference, and to win the Championship. The names that regularly come up in this discussion have competed for titles multiple times. Numbers are important but numbers alone don't determine greatness. Running up scores and yardage totals against weaker teams doesn't determine it. What you do against the toughest competition, with titles and legacies on the line, is what determines historic greatness. Brady is on that list. So are Montana, Manning and a few others. Rodgers might someday be on it, too, but he isn't yet.
Stats are fine but stats alone don't determine greatness. If you are playing the game to earn stats you are playing the game wrong. You are playing to win the game, to win your division, to win your conference, and to win the Championship. The names that regularly come up in this discussion have competed for titles multiple times. Numbers are important but numbers alone don't determine greatness. Running up scores and yardage totals against weaker teams doesn't determine it. What you do against the toughest competition, with titles and legacies on the line, is what determines historic greatness. Brady is on that list. So are Montana, Manning and a few others. Rodgers might someday be on it, too, but he isn't yet.
A.) I would agree if we were comparing game stats, but career stats are a great representation of talent. B.) The Packers never run up the score on teams. We are known for our prevent [nothing] strategy, when we get the lead we try to run out the clock as much as possible even though it never works. C.) Rodgers has put up better numbers than Brady in playoff games. Thus proving yet again that if Brady was on the Packers, we would be even less successful than we already have been in the playoffs.
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Stats are fine but stats alone don't determine greatness. If you are playing the game to earn stats you are playing the game wrong. You are playing to win the game, to win your division, to win your conference, and to win the Championship. The names that regularly come up in this discussion have competed for titles multiple times. Numbers are important but numbers alone don't determine greatness. Running up scores and yardage totals against weaker teams doesn't determine it. What you do against the toughest competition, with titles and legacies on the line, is what determines historic greatness. Brady is on that list. So are Montana, Manning and a few others. Rodgers might someday be on it, too, but he isn't yet.
A.) I would agree if we were comparing game stats, but career stats are a great representation of talent. B.) The Packers never run up the score on teams. We are known for our prevent [nothing] strategy, when we get the lead we try to run out the clock as much as possible even though it never works. C.) Rodgers has put up better numbers than Brady in playoff games. Thus proving yet again that if Brady was on the Packers, we would be even less successful than we already have been in the playoffs.
That's not how it works. You can't just compare statistics on paper and say it "proves" anything. All other variables must be equal.
Ok let's do a hypothetical for a second then. If Aaron Rodgers is a Patriot instead of Brady, you don't think that he would get 5 rings? Do you think if Brady is on the Packers he gets a single ring?
Wins is a team stat, has no impact on this conversation. The Brady circle jerk is strong now thoughn, so even when you point out how wrong people are about it they won't accept jt.
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Unfortunately, success matters. Rodgers is a great QB but I think he needs at least 1 more SB to get into the conversation as an all time great. There's a reason why Marino is never brought up in that conversation. It may not be fair, but it's true.
I loved watching Michael Jordan. He probably gets my vote for basketball's Greatest Of All Time. His stats are not the reason why. What he did consistently in May and June is. Had Jordan only made a handful of conference finals, had he only won one title, his legacy and my view of him would both be quite different. That is the stage on which the question of all-time greatness is decided.
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People put too much thought of success when measuring talent. Rodgers is the better quarterback, and anyone who thinks otherwise is either unintelligent or just can't get over their post super bowl hard on for Brady.
Aaron Rodgers is very good. To say he revolutionized anything is an overstatement.
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Who cares about wins!!! This is not the most successful quarterback of all time discussion. This is the GREATEST quarterback of all time discussion.
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Aaron Rodgers
Passing:
Games Played: 135
Pass Attempts: 4,598
Pass Completions: 2,999
Pass Percentage: 65.22%
Yards: 36,498
Yards Per Pass: 7.94
40+ Yard Passes: 103
Touchdowns: 296
Touchdowns Per Game: 2.19
Interceptions: 71
Attempts Per Interception: 64.76
Average QB Rating: 104.74
Rushing:
Rushing Attempts: 490
Rushing Yards: 2497
Yards Per Attempt: 5.10
Rushing Touchdowns: 25
Fumbles: 15
Tom Brady
Passing:
Games Played: 140
Pass Attempts: 5,149
Pass Completions: 3,341
Pass Percentage: 64.89%
Yards: 39,942
Yards Per Pass: 7.76
40+ Yard Passes: 94
Touchdowns: 309
Touchdowns Per Game: 2.21
Interceptions: 74
Attempts Per Interception: 69.58
Average QB Rating: 103.09
Rushing:
Rushing Attempts: 293
Rushing Yards: 505
Yards Per Attempt: 1.72
Rushing Touchdowns: 14
Fumbles: 11
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Aaron Rodgers - http://www.nfl.com/player/aaronrodgers/2506363/careerstats
Tom Brady - http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats
- Tom Brady's first year as a starter was in 2001. He had 6 season of starting before 2007, and his stats were not impressive those 6 season. This is important because in my opinion an even more fair comparison would be using those stats, because Rodgers stats start directly when he became a starter, unlike Brady who had 6 mediocre seasons that were unaccounted for.
- Understand that the "Average QB Passer Rating" is not the same thing as the total passer rating for the mentioned seasons. I could not find that stat for either QB and I don't have the available stats or time to calculate it (I would have to factor in each play of all of the mentioned seasons for each QB in the calculations.)
- I tried to put in as much perspective as I could. There were differences in numbers of games and attempts and stuff like that, so I tried to put as many averages as I could.
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If I took Brady's first 9 season instead, the stats would've been well in Aaron's favor. So to avoid the shit storm I'd get from that, I gave Brady the advantage and Rodgers still had better stats.
Bart Starr won 5 championships too, do you think he is better than Rodgers? Bradshaw had 4 super bowls, is he better than Rodgers too? You can for sure factor in success when thinking of a team's greatness, because success is a team thing. You can't factor in success in individual players, because it just isn't logical.
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Bart Starr is the GOAT. He won just as many championships in less time than Brady. This means that he is better, because all that matters is final score right?
Success = Team
Greatness = Individual ability
I have given you facts and stats that all prove that Aaron Rodgers is the superior quarterback, but if you can't even comprehend the difference between success and greatness then it's a lost cause.
Laughable, Tom's not great?
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_5_OFnMhcJbp5J1TxPX98azoAyW2YzORjUT2Dn4S3YQ/pubhtml
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B.) The Packers never run up the score on teams. We are known for our prevent [nothing] strategy, when we get the lead we try to run out the clock as much as possible even though it never works.
C.) Rodgers has put up better numbers than Brady in playoff games. Thus proving yet again that if Brady was on the Packers, we would be even less successful than we already have been in the playoffs.
Wins is a team stat, has no impact on this conversation. The Brady circle jerk is strong now thoughn, so even when you point out how wrong people are about it they won't accept jt.
2012- giants - 264 yds 2 td 1 int
2013- 49ers - 257 yds 2 td 1 int
2014- 49ers - 177 yds 1td 0 int
2015- Seattle- 178 yds 1 td 2 int
2016- cardinals- 261 yds 2 td 1 int
2017- falcons - 287 yds 3 td 1 int
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