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    Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Yet, it's been going on since the inception of the US. First here, now there. What's really changed and will it ever change? And if not us, it'll be someone else, Russia, China, someone. It's human nature.

    I thought I was a cynic...

    https://youtu.be/rlF3eoQ_lLw

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    Cynic? Me? Realist. It always seems to boil down to family, tribe/extended family, religion, national identity. How or when have these never been in conflict? And why would it be different now or in the future? We're human.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    American feigning over p*ssy grabbing While our allies, the Saudis bomb a funeral in Yemen then bombed it 3 more times as rescuers arrived. I'm guessing those bombs that killed 150 humans were Made in America. The WH is concerned and will review the matter.
    MSM HRC DT...crickets.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    War on terror

    Bomb hospitals schools weddings and now funerals.
    Arm and fund tomorrow's terrorists.
    Arm and fund today's terrorist groups.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    edited October 2016
    JC29856 said:

    American feigning over p*ssy grabbing While our allies, the Saudis bomb a funeral in Yemen then bombed it 3 more times as rescuers arrived. I'm guessing those bombs that killed 150 humans were Made in America. The WH is concerned and will review the matter.
    MSM HRC DT...crickets.

    Here, let me help you. Your comment demands context and sources so that people have some actual information to go on while forming an opinion about this attack. I actually can't find anything that points to Hillary Clinton being responsible in any real way. People will have to resort to the trickle-down theories that are so popular now when people are trying to lay blame on a specific person's feet for something another nation did.

    https://www.rt.com/news/362069-yemen-bombing-saudi-us-support/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/08/saudi-led-coalition-airstrike-hits-yemen-funeral-more-than-140-killed.html

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    Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    JC29856 said:

    How about alittle TGIF trivia?

    Which US ally cut off more heads last year?
    A. Saudi Arabia
    B. ISIS

    Would love to hear from my fellow so-called progressives
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:

    American feigning over p*ssy grabbing While our allies, the Saudis bomb a funeral in Yemen then bombed it 3 more times as rescuers arrived. I'm guessing those bombs that killed 150 humans were Made in America. The WH is concerned and will review the matter.
    MSM HRC DT...crickets.

    Here, let me help you. Your comment demands context and sources so that people have some actual information to go on while forming an opinion about this attack. I actually can't find anything that points to Hillary Clinton being responsible in any real way. People will have to resort to the trickle-down theories that are so popular now when people are trying to lay blame on a specific person's feet for something another nation did.

    https://www.rt.com/news/362069-yemen-bombing-saudi-us-support/

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/08/saudi-led-coalition-airstrike-hits-yemen-funeral-more-than-140-killed.html

    Thanks for the help but most don't give a shit so they won't even read the thread, some give a tiny shit but are too lazy/distracted to learn more, those that give a shit can research themselves.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:

    American feigning over p*ssy grabbing While our allies, the Saudis bomb a funeral in Yemen then bombed it 3 more times as rescuers arrived. I'm guessing those bombs that killed 150 humans were Made in America. The WH is concerned and will review the matter.
    MSM HRC DT...crickets.

    Funeral Bomb fragment MK82 Made in America.

    USA...USA...USA...USA...USA
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,635
    tonifig8 said:

    JC29856 said:

    How about alittle TGIF trivia?

    Which US ally cut off more heads last year?
    A. Saudi Arabia
    B. ISIS

    Would love to hear from my fellow so-called progressives
    My first reaction isn't about what the future president thinks, it's about why they're our allies. And the next time you're filling up your car, you'll have your answer.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    ISIS and US strange relationship

    http://theantimedia.org/5-times-us-helped-isis/
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    Go Beavers said:

    tonifig8 said:

    JC29856 said:

    How about alittle TGIF trivia?

    Which US ally cut off more heads last year?
    A. Saudi Arabia
    B. ISIS

    Would love to hear from my fellow so-called progressives
    My first reaction isn't about what the future president thinks, it's about why they're our allies. And the next time you're filling up your car, you'll have your answer.
    Agreed. The US should pull out of all Middle Eastern relations IMO. Let then sort themselves out, and get oil from elsewhere.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,635
    If you make a mess, you're morally responsible to help clean it up.
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,543
    edited October 2016
    Go Beavers said:

    If you make a mess, you're morally responsible to help clean it up.

    Logically yes, but their attempts at "cleaning it up" tend to only make things worse. And it's not like Middle Easterners generally want them there, aside from Israel.
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    Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    Go Beavers said:

    If you make a mess, you're morally responsible to help clean it up.

    Yeah I'm sure your progressive queen is going to be all over cleaning it up and pulling out of the Middle East. Gotcha. We just need to make sure she's able to keep her commitments to special interest and her commitments to us. Which are two very different policy's
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,635
    You think Hillary's progressive? My point is that our car addiction are included in'special interests'. So we're all part of the problem.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Go Beavers said:

    You think Hillary's progressive? My point is that our car addiction are included in'special interests'. So we're all part of the problem.

    You have it backwards.
    Cars don't need oil, oil needs cars.
    If interested research 27 mpg and do nothing H W Bush way back in 1988 when fuel efficiency technology was at 49 mpg and the 27 mpg continued with Arkansas Bill.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,635
    I don't have it backward. We're all part of the problem, so American interests in the Middle East are also individual American's interest.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The US never ever ever influenced the outcomes of foreign democratic elections.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/us-drones-strikes-target-rescuers-pakistan

    US drone strikes target rescuers in Pakistan – and the west stays silent

    Russian bombs little kids!
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:

    American feigning over p*ssy grabbing While our allies, the Saudis bomb a funeral in Yemen then bombed it 3 more times as rescuers arrived. I'm guessing those bombs that killed 150 humans were Made in America. The WH is concerned and will review the matter.
    MSM HRC DT...crickets.

    FRAGMENTS OF WHAT APPEAR to be U.S.-made bombs have been found at the scene of one of the most horrific civilian massacres of Saudi Arabia’s 18-month air campaign in Yemen.

    Aircraft from the Saudi-led coalition on Saturday bombed a community hall in Sana’a, Yemen’s capital city, where thousands of people had gathered for a funeral for Sheikh Ali al-Rawishan, the father of the rebel-appointed interior minister. The aircraft struck the hall four times, killing more than 140 people and wounding 525. One local health official described the aftermath as “a lake of blood.”

    Multiple bomb fragments at the scene appear to confirm the use of American-produced MK-82 guided bombs. One fragment, posted in a picture on the Facebook page of a prominent Yemeni lawyer, says “FOR USE ON MK-82 FIN, GUIDED BOMB.”

    https://theintercept.com/2016/10/10/photos-show-fragments-of-u-s-bombs-at-site-of-yemen-funeral-masssacre/
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Reaction:
    Trump says he will jail Hilliary = American shit lost!
    America complicit in war crimes = did anyone bring donuts?

    This weekend, as American attention was devoted almost exclusively to Donald Trump, one of the most revolting massacres took place. On Saturday, warplanes attacked a funeral gathering in Sana, repeatedly bombing the hall where it took place, killing over 100 people and wounding more than 500 (see photo above). Video shows just some of the destruction and carnage:

    https://theintercept.com/2016/10/10/u-s-and-u-k-continue-to-actively-participate-in-saudi-war-crimes-targeting-of-yemeni-civilians/
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    The Canadian war monger approves, he owns it.
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    Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Cynic? Me? Realist. It always seems to boil down to family, tribe/extended family, religion, national identity. How or when have these never been in conflict? And why would it be different now or in the future? We're human.

    A good start would be to stop buying into the myth you're perpetuating here: that greed and selfishness are human nature. They're not. They're learned conditions taught by a rigged, broken system.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    Sorry, I'm not perpetuating any myth here. Ask the neo-cons how they like the New World Order. There's your answer. Or better yet, ask the Libertarians.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    And I didn't realize that my parents were part of the "rigged, broken system."
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    Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited October 2016
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Sorry, I'm not perpetuating any myth here. Ask the neo-cons how they like the New World Order. There's your answer. Or better yet, ask the Libertarians.

    Huh?
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    And I didn't realize that my parents were part of the "rigged, broken system."

    Don't feel bad, mine are too. We all are.
    Still, it's unfortunate that you feel that's what they taught you.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    I don't feel bad. Not at all. Are you trying to say that without religion, politics, national identity, etc., there wouldn't be human conflict? Or that greed and selfishness would evaporate? Please expound on your thesis that greed and selfishness are not human nature but particularly that I seem to believe that they are.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    A SECRET FBI STUDY found that anger over U.S. military operations abroad was the most commonly cited motivation for individuals involved in cases of “homegrown” terrorism. The report also identified no coherent pattern to “radicalization,” concluding that it remained near impossible to predict future violent acts.
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    jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    I don't feel bad. Not at all. Are you trying to say that without religion, politics, national identity, etc., there wouldn't be human conflict? Or that greed and selfishness would evaporate? Please expound on your thesis that greed and selfishness are not human nature but particularly that I seem to believe that they are.

    Classic Thomas Hobbes vs Jean-Jaques Rousseau. That's a never ending thread all by itself.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
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    Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    jeffbr said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    I don't feel bad. Not at all. Are you trying to say that without religion, politics, national identity, etc., there wouldn't be human conflict? Or that greed and selfishness would evaporate? Please expound on your thesis that greed and selfishness are not human nature but particularly that I seem to believe that they are.

    Classic Thomas Hobbes vs Jean-Jaques Rousseau. That's a never ending thread all by itself.
    right. I love this topic but am not exactly comfortable debating it. Way above my pay grade. If anyone is unfamiliar - the quoted / linked guy at the top of the page is Dr Gabor Mate. A friend I respect a lot - a doctor and world traveller - attended a conference he spoke at recently...my friend's excitement after meeting him inspired me to look up more of his material....interesting stuff.

    http://www.radioproject.org/2013/05/capitalism-makes-us-crazy-gabor-mate-on-illness-addiction/

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