US policy of dishonesty and hypocrisy
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If we had McCain an invasion wouldn't have been necessary. The Iranian green revolution would have received support and the Mullahs might have fallen by the hands of their own people. That along with a real and sustained Arab spring backstopped by a permanent US presence in Iraq would have paved the way for a more peaceful middle east.Go Beavers said:
Iran is a good current time example. If we had McCain/Romney, chances are pretty good we would've invaded. If things with them improve over time, both internally and in relations with other countries, you can use that as a gold star for diplomacy.PJ_Soul said:
Well they did manage to keep the Cold War from turning into WWIII. That was pretty good. And the Berlin Wall coming down was a pretty big deal that took some US diplomacy. Then there was the Iranian hostage crisis. And there is constant diplomatic measures happening with China - so far so good I suppose. US diplomacy also played a pretty strong role in the end of Apartheid in South Africa, no? Also, the US had a key role in ending that war in Angola (not that Angola maintained the peace, but that wasn't America's fault as far as I know). And yeah, there are dozens and dozens of other examples. People don't pay much attention to diplomacy. They are too focused on more in-your-face things I think. But yes, the US has a long and rich history of using diplomacy to quell tensions, major and minor. As with most things, people only get informed when things go wrong. When everything goes well and things don't explode, we never give it a second thought.lukin2006 said:
The US solve anything diplomatically?PJ_Soul said:
We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.lukin2006 said:
When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?PJ_Soul said:
Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.JC29856 said:0 -
The US has called for an end to airstrikes by a Saudi-led coalition in Yemen at a UN security council meeting, but critics pointed out that Washington continues to supply arms and provide other military support to Saudi Arabia.
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Given the media coverage of the presidential election and the resulting aftermath I decided to change the title.
The US unjustly kills people both home and abroad but words cause major protests.
Rigged primary vs fair presidential election.
47% of voters don't bother to vote vs antiquated electoral college system.
Anyone have anymore examples?Post edited by JC29856 on0 -
Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so much0 -
"These idiots rioting in the streets are the same people who demanded President-elect Trump accept the results of the election."
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And Ted knows this because he talked with the individuals before and after the election?JC29856 said:"These idiots rioting in the streets are the same people who demanded President-elect Trump accept the results of the election."
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That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so muchWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so much"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
I recall that they didn't actually support super delegates, but simply acknowledged that is indeed how the system is currently set up, which is true.jeffbr said:
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so muchWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
This post I completely agree with. I just don't think Hillary supporters were actually bitching about the super delegates at all. mrussel1 was probably the most consistent champion of Hillary, and I don't think I ever heard him bitch about them. He acknowledged their existence and their role numerous times in discussions with Bernie supporters, but I don't recall that he (or any of the other Hillary faithful) actually bitched about them. I know Brian, Free, and others did, which is why I felt that the distinction was important.PJ_Soul said:
I recall that they didn't actually support super delegates, but simply acknowledged that is indeed how the system is currently set up, which is true.jeffbr said:
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so much"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Fair enough (I bitched about them too FWIW, lol), though I didn't just mean just people on the AMT. For clarity, when people say stuff like "democrats" think a certain way, are we just talking about people on the AMT?? Or democrats in general or on average?? Anytime there is a such a sweeping generalization, I think about the AMT, but also about the things I saw on the news, other social media platforms, various editorials, etc.... What are others basing their vast generalizations on?jeffbr said:
This post I completely agree with. I just don't think Hillary supporters were actually bitching about the super delegates at all. mrussel1 was probably the most consistent champion of Hillary, and I don't think I ever heard him bitch about them. He acknowledged their existence and their role numerous times in discussions with Bernie supporters, but I don't recall that he (or any of the other Hillary faithful) actually bitched about them. I know Brian, Free, and others did, which is why I felt that the distinction was important.PJ_Soul said:
I recall that they didn't actually support super delegates, but simply acknowledged that is indeed how the system is currently set up, which is true.jeffbr said:
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so muchWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Ha, ok. I was just thinking about discussions here. But I do agree that I did hear plenty of bitching about the super delegates outside the AMT.PJ_Soul said:
Fair enough (I bitched about them too FWIW, lol), though I didn't just mean just people on the AMT. For clarity, when people say stuff like "democrats" think a certain way, are we just talking about people on the AMT?? Or democrats in general or on average?? Anytime there is a such a sweeping generalization, I think about the AMT, but also about the things I saw on the news, other social media platforms, various editorials, etc.... What are others basing their vast generalizations on?jeffbr said:
This post I completely agree with. I just don't think Hillary supporters were actually bitching about the super delegates at all. mrussel1 was probably the most consistent champion of Hillary, and I don't think I ever heard him bitch about them. He acknowledged their existence and their role numerous times in discussions with Bernie supporters, but I don't recall that he (or any of the other Hillary faithful) actually bitched about them. I know Brian, Free, and others did, which is why I felt that the distinction was important.PJ_Soul said:
I recall that they didn't actually support super delegates, but simply acknowledged that is indeed how the system is currently set up, which is true.jeffbr said:
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so much"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
What happened to @mrussel1 btw?? I haven't seen him around I don't think. Has he checked out of the AMT in disgust (as I did for a few days), or did he get banned or something??jeffbr said:
Ha, ok. I was just thinking about discussions here. But I do agree that I did hear plenty of bitching about the super delegates outside the AMT.PJ_Soul said:
Fair enough (I bitched about them too FWIW, lol), though I didn't just mean just people on the AMT. For clarity, when people say stuff like "democrats" think a certain way, are we just talking about people on the AMT?? Or democrats in general or on average?? Anytime there is a such a sweeping generalization, I think about the AMT, but also about the things I saw on the news, other social media platforms, various editorials, etc.... What are others basing their vast generalizations on?jeffbr said:
This post I completely agree with. I just don't think Hillary supporters were actually bitching about the super delegates at all. mrussel1 was probably the most consistent champion of Hillary, and I don't think I ever heard him bitch about them. He acknowledged their existence and their role numerous times in discussions with Bernie supporters, but I don't recall that he (or any of the other Hillary faithful) actually bitched about them. I know Brian, Free, and others did, which is why I felt that the distinction was important.PJ_Soul said:
I recall that they didn't actually support super delegates, but simply acknowledged that is indeed how the system is currently set up, which is true.jeffbr said:
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so muchWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
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probably the same day george rr martin finishes the game of thrones books ...JC29856 said:Any ideas when perjury charges will be brought?
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PJ_Soul said:
What happened to @mrussel1 btw?? I haven't seen him around I don't think. Has he checked out of the AMT in disgust (as I did for a few days), or did he get banned or something??jeffbr said:
Ha, ok. I was just thinking about discussions here. But I do agree that I did hear plenty of bitching about the super delegates outside the AMT.PJ_Soul said:
Fair enough (I bitched about them too FWIW, lol), though I didn't just mean just people on the AMT. For clarity, when people say stuff like "democrats" think a certain way, are we just talking about people on the AMT?? Or democrats in general or on average?? Anytime there is a such a sweeping generalization, I think about the AMT, but also about the things I saw on the news, other social media platforms, various editorials, etc.... What are others basing their vast generalizations on?jeffbr said:
This post I completely agree with. I just don't think Hillary supporters were actually bitching about the super delegates at all. mrussel1 was probably the most consistent champion of Hillary, and I don't think I ever heard him bitch about them. He acknowledged their existence and their role numerous times in discussions with Bernie supporters, but I don't recall that he (or any of the other Hillary faithful) actually bitched about them. I know Brian, Free, and others did, which is why I felt that the distinction was important.PJ_Soul said:
I recall that they didn't actually support super delegates, but simply acknowledged that is indeed how the system is currently set up, which is true.jeffbr said:
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so much
Hey PJ_Soul... I'm alive, well and unbanned. On election night I was flying to Phoenix, then straight to Orlando for a Disney trip with the kids, on to Miami, then home for a night before two days in Charlottesville for a wedding. I'm finally home. The good news about all the traveling and work is that I can pretend nothing happened. But I will get in the mix again as soon as I have time. I hope you and everyone else is doing well.PJ_Soul said:
What happened to @mrussel1 btw?? I haven't seen him around I don't think. Has he checked out of the AMT in disgust (as I did for a few days), or did he get banned or something??jeffbr said:
Ha, ok. I was just thinking about discussions here. But I do agree that I did hear plenty of bitching about the super delegates outside the AMT.PJ_Soul said:
Fair enough (I bitched about them too FWIW, lol), though I didn't just mean just people on the AMT. For clarity, when people say stuff like "democrats" think a certain way, are we just talking about people on the AMT?? Or democrats in general or on average?? Anytime there is a such a sweeping generalization, I think about the AMT, but also about the things I saw on the news, other social media platforms, various editorials, etc.... What are others basing their vast generalizations on?jeffbr said:
This post I completely agree with. I just don't think Hillary supporters were actually bitching about the super delegates at all. mrussel1 was probably the most consistent champion of Hillary, and I don't think I ever heard him bitch about them. He acknowledged their existence and their role numerous times in discussions with Bernie supporters, but I don't recall that he (or any of the other Hillary faithful) actually bitched about them. I know Brian, Free, and others did, which is why I felt that the distinction was important.PJ_Soul said:
I recall that they didn't actually support super delegates, but simply acknowledged that is indeed how the system is currently set up, which is true.jeffbr said:
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
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mrussel1 said:PJ_Soul said:
What happened to @mrussel1 btw?? I haven't seen him around I don't think. Has he checked out of the AMT in disgust (as I did for a few days), or did he get banned or something??jeffbr said:
Ha, ok. I was just thinking about discussions here. But I do agree that I did hear plenty of bitching about the super delegates outside the AMT.PJ_Soul said:
Fair enough (I bitched about them too FWIW, lol), though I didn't just mean just people on the AMT. For clarity, when people say stuff like "democrats" think a certain way, are we just talking about people on the AMT?? Or democrats in general or on average?? Anytime there is a such a sweeping generalization, I think about the AMT, but also about the things I saw on the news, other social media platforms, various editorials, etc.... What are others basing their vast generalizations on?jeffbr said:
This post I completely agree with. I just don't think Hillary supporters were actually bitching about the super delegates at all. mrussel1 was probably the most consistent champion of Hillary, and I don't think I ever heard him bitch about them. He acknowledged their existence and their role numerous times in discussions with Bernie supporters, but I don't recall that he (or any of the other Hillary faithful) actually bitched about them. I know Brian, Free, and others did, which is why I felt that the distinction was important.PJ_Soul said:
I recall that they didn't actually support super delegates, but simply acknowledged that is indeed how the system is currently set up, which is true.jeffbr said:
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so much
Hey PJ_Soul... I'm alive, well and unbanned. On election night I was flying to Phoenix, then straight to Orlando for a Disney trip with the kids, on to Miami, then home for a night before two days in Charlottesville for a wedding. I'm finally home. The good news about all the traveling and work is that I can pretend nothing happened. But I will get in the mix again as soon as I have time. I hope you and everyone else is doing well.PJ_Soul said:
What happened to @mrussel1 btw?? I haven't seen him around I don't think. Has he checked out of the AMT in disgust (as I did for a few days), or did he get banned or something??jeffbr said:
Ha, ok. I was just thinking about discussions here. But I do agree that I did hear plenty of bitching about the super delegates outside the AMT.PJ_Soul said:
Fair enough (I bitched about them too FWIW, lol), though I didn't just mean just people on the AMT. For clarity, when people say stuff like "democrats" think a certain way, are we just talking about people on the AMT?? Or democrats in general or on average?? Anytime there is a such a sweeping generalization, I think about the AMT, but also about the things I saw on the news, other social media platforms, various editorials, etc.... What are others basing their vast generalizations on?jeffbr said:
This post I completely agree with. I just don't think Hillary supporters were actually bitching about the super delegates at all. mrussel1 was probably the most consistent champion of Hillary, and I don't think I ever heard him bitch about them. He acknowledged their existence and their role numerous times in discussions with Bernie supporters, but I don't recall that he (or any of the other Hillary faithful) actually bitched about them. I know Brian, Free, and others did, which is why I felt that the distinction was important.PJ_Soul said:
I recall that they didn't actually support super delegates, but simply acknowledged that is indeed how the system is currently set up, which is true.jeffbr said:
Only the Dems who were backing Bernie. It sure seemed like the Dems backing Hillary were perfectly fine with the super delegates, and explained that that was how the system worked.PJ_Soul said:
That's weird, because I remember pretty much everyone, including Democrats, bitching like crazy about super delegates during the primaries. It was one of the biggest issues for democrats during that time...JC29856 said:Hypocrisy in action:
DEMOCRATS - Super delegates = okay, Electoral college = not so much
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