US policy of dishonesty and hypocrisy

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The message also reveals that the U.S. saw the rise of the genocidal Islamic State as an opportunity. “With all of its tragic aspects, the advance of ISIL through Iraq gives the U.S. Government an opportunity to change the way it deals with the chaotic security situation in North Africa and the Middle East,” the document says, adding, “The most important factor in this matter is to make use of intelligence resources and Special Operations troops in an aggressive manner.”


    http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/leaked-hillary-clinton-emails-show-u-s-allies-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-supported-isis/
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Russia meddling in US elections

    US has attempted or has taken down 50 governments since WW2
  • Boxes&BooksBoxes&Books Posts: 2,672
    edited October 2016
    JC29856 said:

    Russia meddling in US elections

    US has attempted or has taken down 50 governments since WW2

    This motherf* fu*ks!

    how do you do the hands clapping face? (insert here)
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    tonifig8 said:

    JC29856 said:

    Russia meddling in US elections

    US has attempted or has taken down 50 governments since WW2

    This motherf* fu*ks!

    how do you do the hands clapping face? (insert here)
    :clap:

    "Colon"clap"colon"

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    rgambs said:

    tonifig8 said:

    JC29856 said:

    Russia meddling in US elections

    US has attempted or has taken down 50 governments since WW2

    This motherf* fu*ks!

    how do you do the hands clapping face? (insert here)
    :clap:

    "Colon"clap"colon"

    They pop up on my mobile when i hit a colon, then i go through the alphabet till i find the one i want lol
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited October 2016
    Watch the video of kirby try to defend hypocrisy.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-conflict-yemen-civil-war-aleppo-russia-assad-bombings-obama-saudi-arabia-arms-sales-a7357171.html

    I'll provide the text transcript

    Question what's the difference between the funeral bombing and what you accuse Russia Syria and Iran doing?


    Kirby: ..............well.........................ah.......................well.........ah..................ah................eh...............let me.........................let me say this..........................
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    The difference is it depends what side you're on, people are taught to rake sides. You'd think people would realize the current approach to the Middle East is a failure.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The Obama administration went ahead with a $1.3 billion arms sale to Saudi Arabia last year despite warnings from some officials that the United States could be implicated in war crimes for supporting a Saudi-led air campaign in Yemen that has killed thousands of civilians, according to government documents and the accounts of current and former officials.

    State Department officials also were privately skeptical of the Saudi military's ability to target Houthi militants without killing civilians and destroying "critical infrastructure" needed for Yemen to recover, according to the emails and other records obtained by Reuters and interviews with nearly a dozen officials with knowledge of those discussions.

    U.S. government lawyers ultimately did not reach a conclusion on whether U.S. support for the campaign would make the United States a "co-belligerent" in the war under international law, four current and former officials said. That finding would have obligated Washington to investigate allegations of war crimes in Yemen and would have raised a legal risk that U.S. military personnel could be subject to prosecution, at least in theory.
  • JC29856 said:

    The Obama administration went ahead with a $1.3 billion arms sale to Saudi Arabia last year despite warnings from some officials that the United States could be implicated in war crimes for supporting a Saudi-led air campaign in Yemen that has killed thousands of civilians, according to government documents and the accounts of current and former officials.

    State Department officials also were privately skeptical of the Saudi military's ability to target Houthi militants without killing civilians and destroying "critical infrastructure" needed for Yemen to recover, according to the emails and other records obtained by Reuters and interviews with nearly a dozen officials with knowledge of those discussions.

    U.S. government lawyers ultimately did not reach a conclusion on whether U.S. support for the campaign would make the United States a "co-belligerent" in the war under international law, four current and former officials said. That finding would have obligated Washington to investigate allegations of war crimes in Yemen and would have raised a legal risk that U.S. military personnel could be subject to prosecution, at least in theory.

    BS, the professor, should be able to respond to this as he was in full support of the Saudis bombing the Houthis and expanding the war in Yemen. He can explain why the arms deal was a master stroke of diplomacy. And I'm sure the Donald would claim that we wouldn't want arms manufacturing jobs to go overseas, would we?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    When AlterNet asked U.S. Air Force spokesman Shane Huff, he conceded that the U.S. refueled coalition fighters the weekend of the bombing—including the day after the bombing—but denied that USAF fueled any aircraft on the day of the bombing. When asked why the U.S., which typically refuels coalition aircraft, would provide fuel that weekend but not the day of the bombing, Huff replied, “I do not know the answer to that question.”

    Asked if the aircraft involved in the Sanaa funeral bombing launched from an airbase bordering Yemen, Huff told AlterNet, “I must refer you to the Saudi Defense Forces on that question.”


    http://www.alternet.org/world/did-us-assist-sanaa-bombing
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42279.htm

    Julian Assange implicated the United States – along with the Saudi Arabian government – in a plot to overthrow the Syrian government.
    Saudi Arabia, the United States, France, and Britain were involved in a secret 2012 deal to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said Sunday.
    ​"Saudi has been one of the dogs of the United States in the Middle East on a leash, and you think the man is walking a dog, but sometimes, if it is a big dog, the dog starts pulling a man,"
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    More 'no shit' revelations from Assange?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    More 'no shit' revelations from Assange?

    You knew this 4 years ago? You either have TS clearance or are infosec.
  • Western powers clandestinely trying to overthrow unfriendly governments? I'm shocked, just shocked!
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    More 'no shit' revelations from Assange?

    Any comments on US involvement? Reasons etc?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://theantimedia.org/us-war-terror-5-trillion/

    Pretty much says it all. Hmmm, $5T and 6500% increase in terrorism, US foot and fingerprints in terrorism nations. Is almost like were (trying to) buying global instability?
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    JC29856 said:

    More 'no shit' revelations from Assange?

    Any comments on US involvement? Reasons etc?
    There's plans made to overthrow nearly every unfriendly country. People get paid just to sit around and make plans.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    It's not the unfriendly part that gets the attention.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    edited October 2016

    Western powers clandestinely trying to overthrow unfriendly governments? I'm shocked, just shocked!

    Just unfriendly regime's, or regimes that the US can no longer use to their benefit? Saddam was a friend to the US, didn't work out to well for him...

    And western powers, lead by a the bully America.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited October 2016
    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited October 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
    Well they did manage to keep the Cold War from turning into WWIII. That was pretty good. And the Berlin Wall coming down was a pretty big deal that took some US diplomacy. Then there was the Iranian hostage crisis. And there is constant diplomatic measures happening with China - so far so good I suppose. US diplomacy also played a pretty strong role in the end of Apartheid in South Africa, no? Also, the US had a key role in ending that war in Angola (not that Angola maintained the peace, but that wasn't America's fault as far as I know). And yeah, there are dozens and dozens of other examples. People don't pay much attention to diplomacy. They are too focused on more in-your-face things I think. But yes, the US has a long and rich history of using diplomacy to quell tensions, major and minor. As with most things, people only get informed when things go wrong. When everything goes well and things don't explode, we never give it a second thought.
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  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
    Well they did manage to keep the Cold War from turning into WWIII. That was pretty good. And the Berlin Wall coming down was a pretty big deal that took some US diplomacy. Then there was the Iranian hostage crisis. And there is constant diplomatic measures happening with China - so far so good I suppose. US diplomacy also played a pretty strong role in the end of Apartheid in South Africa, no? Also, the US had a key role in ending that war in Angola (not that Angola maintained the peace, but that wasn't America's fault as far as I know). And yeah, there are dozens and dozens of other examples. People don't pay much attention to diplomacy. They are too focused on more in-your-face things I think. But yes, the US has a long and rich history of using diplomacy to quell tensions, major and minor. As with most things, people only get informed when things go wrong. When everything goes well and things don't explode, we never give it a second thought.
    I think the treat mutual destruction prevented WW3...anyways on with your Hillary and American love in ... lol.
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