US policy of dishonesty and hypocrisy

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It's not the unfriendly part that gets the attention.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    edited October 2016

    Western powers clandestinely trying to overthrow unfriendly governments? I'm shocked, just shocked!

    Just unfriendly regime's, or regimes that the US can no longer use to their benefit? Saddam was a friend to the US, didn't work out to well for him...

    And western powers, lead by a the bully America.
    Post edited by lukin2006 on
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited October 2016
    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited October 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
    Well they did manage to keep the Cold War from turning into WWIII. That was pretty good. And the Berlin Wall coming down was a pretty big deal that took some US diplomacy. Then there was the Iranian hostage crisis. And there is constant diplomatic measures happening with China - so far so good I suppose. US diplomacy also played a pretty strong role in the end of Apartheid in South Africa, no? Also, the US had a key role in ending that war in Angola (not that Angola maintained the peace, but that wasn't America's fault as far as I know). And yeah, there are dozens and dozens of other examples. People don't pay much attention to diplomacy. They are too focused on more in-your-face things I think. But yes, the US has a long and rich history of using diplomacy to quell tensions, major and minor. As with most things, people only get informed when things go wrong. When everything goes well and things don't explode, we never give it a second thought.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
    Well they did manage to keep the Cold War from turning into WWIII. That was pretty good. And the Berlin Wall coming down was a pretty big deal that took some US diplomacy. Then there was the Iranian hostage crisis. And there is constant diplomatic measures happening with China - so far so good I suppose. US diplomacy also played a pretty strong role in the end of Apartheid in South Africa, no? Also, the US had a key role in ending that war in Angola (not that Angola maintained the peace, but that wasn't America's fault as far as I know). And yeah, there are dozens and dozens of other examples. People don't pay much attention to diplomacy. They are too focused on more in-your-face things I think. But yes, the US has a long and rich history of using diplomacy to quell tensions, major and minor. As with most things, people only get informed when things go wrong. When everything goes well and things don't explode, we never give it a second thought.
    I think the treat mutual destruction prevented WW3...anyways on with your Hillary and American love in ... lol.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited October 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
    Well they did manage to keep the Cold War from turning into WWIII. That was pretty good. And the Berlin Wall coming down was a pretty big deal that took some US diplomacy. Then there was the Iranian hostage crisis. And there is constant diplomatic measures happening with China - so far so good I suppose. US diplomacy also played a pretty strong role in the end of Apartheid in South Africa, no? Also, the US had a key role in ending that war in Angola (not that Angola maintained the peace, but that wasn't America's fault as far as I know). And yeah, there are dozens and dozens of other examples. People don't pay much attention to diplomacy. They are too focused on more in-your-face things I think. But yes, the US has a long and rich history of using diplomacy to quell tensions, major and minor. As with most things, people only get informed when things go wrong. When everything goes well and things don't explode, we never give it a second thought.
    I think the treat mutual destruction prevented WW3...anyways on with your Hillary and American love in ... lol.
    What do you mean? I have never expressed love for Hillary. Oh, you're doing the "if you hate Trump you must love Hillary" thing too. K.
    (weak reply btw)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Libya 1.8 million fled!
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
    Well they did manage to keep the Cold War from turning into WWIII. That was pretty good. And the Berlin Wall coming down was a pretty big deal that took some US diplomacy. Then there was the Iranian hostage crisis. And there is constant diplomatic measures happening with China - so far so good I suppose. US diplomacy also played a pretty strong role in the end of Apartheid in South Africa, no? Also, the US had a key role in ending that war in Angola (not that Angola maintained the peace, but that wasn't America's fault as far as I know). And yeah, there are dozens and dozens of other examples. People don't pay much attention to diplomacy. They are too focused on more in-your-face things I think. But yes, the US has a long and rich history of using diplomacy to quell tensions, major and minor. As with most things, people only get informed when things go wrong. When everything goes well and things don't explode, we never give it a second thought.
    Iran is a good current time example. If we had McCain/Romney, chances are pretty good we would've invaded. If things with them improve over time, both internally and in relations with other countries, you can use that as a gold star for diplomacy.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
    Well they did manage to keep the Cold War from turning into WWIII. That was pretty good. And the Berlin Wall coming down was a pretty big deal that took some US diplomacy. Then there was the Iranian hostage crisis. And there is constant diplomatic measures happening with China - so far so good I suppose. US diplomacy also played a pretty strong role in the end of Apartheid in South Africa, no? Also, the US had a key role in ending that war in Angola (not that Angola maintained the peace, but that wasn't America's fault as far as I know). And yeah, there are dozens and dozens of other examples. People don't pay much attention to diplomacy. They are too focused on more in-your-face things I think. But yes, the US has a long and rich history of using diplomacy to quell tensions, major and minor. As with most things, people only get informed when things go wrong. When everything goes well and things don't explode, we never give it a second thought.
    I think the treat mutual destruction prevented WW3...anyways on with your Hillary and American love in ... lol.
    What do you mean? I have never expressed love for Hillary. Oh, you're doing the "if you hate Trump you must love Hillary" thing too. K.
    (weak reply btw)
    Every example you provided has a rebuttal. At least some of us have the courage and disgust to admit that both candidates are a joke...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited October 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:
    Things are beyond fucked up in the Philippines at the moment. Maybe they should be more worried about their own President actively setting up a dictatorship and apparently trying to collude with China while he's at it, which is scary. Given the current situation, US intervention might actually be a good thing for their future. It could go either way though. I'm sure most of these protestors are the same people who support their completely fucked up, maniacal leader.
    When's the last time the US intervened and left a place better off?
    We're not talking about military intervention, are we? I haven't seen anything to suggest that. This is all just about diplomatic measures.
    The US solve anything diplomatically?
    Well they did manage to keep the Cold War from turning into WWIII. That was pretty good. And the Berlin Wall coming down was a pretty big deal that took some US diplomacy. Then there was the Iranian hostage crisis. And there is constant diplomatic measures happening with China - so far so good I suppose. US diplomacy also played a pretty strong role in the end of Apartheid in South Africa, no? Also, the US had a key role in ending that war in Angola (not that Angola maintained the peace, but that wasn't America's fault as far as I know). And yeah, there are dozens and dozens of other examples. People don't pay much attention to diplomacy. They are too focused on more in-your-face things I think. But yes, the US has a long and rich history of using diplomacy to quell tensions, major and minor. As with most things, people only get informed when things go wrong. When everything goes well and things don't explode, we never give it a second thought.
    I think the treat mutual destruction prevented WW3...anyways on with your Hillary and American love in ... lol.
    What do you mean? I have never expressed love for Hillary. Oh, you're doing the "if you hate Trump you must love Hillary" thing too. K.
    (weak reply btw)
    Every example you provided has a rebuttal. At least some of us have the courage and disgust to admit that both candidates are a joke...
    :rofl: Is that how you see yourself?? Courageous? :giggle:
    There is nothing I'm not admitting. I simply focus more on Trump because I think he is the worse of the two (obviously, since I've said it probably 100 times before).
    Okay, so let's see this rebuttal, along with proof that the USA has never ever used diplomacy successfully (I mean come on man. It's a pretty ludicrous claim. You come off as an extremist when you make claims like that).
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    your a Hillary fan girl, just admit it .... lol
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,760
    edited October 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    your a Hillary fan girl, just admit it .... lol

    Not in the least, lol. What's there to be a fan about? Besides the fact that she's not Trump and has a massive amount of experience and self-control? And the way she stares straight into the camera at the debates with that look, like, "can't you fucking believe this guy is saying this shit?". I admit that makes me giggle. But no, not a fan. Honestly, I'm fairly indifferent about her just because of the current circumstances. I see no point in spending a lot of my time focusing on what sucks about her. She's the only option and I accept that because she's not THAT bad an option (I have never felt particularly concerned about the email thing).
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    "We are the terrorists" soldier in war logs video

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
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