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Going back to your original point, a crime is a crime. The problem is that crimes committed against certain classes of citizens were not prosecuted because the bias extended to the judges, prosecutors and even the juries. So a federal law was created to enable the Justice Department to pick up prosecution where local prosecution would not. It's that simple.JC29856 said:
What contract(s), expectation(s) understanding(s), agreement(s) do you have with every person excluding your employer that could have committed a crime against you?Go Beavers said:
So you believe in legal protections based on a person's class and that there can be consequences for the offender if they offend based on the victim belonging to a particular protected group.JC29856 said:
No, I'm not fine with someone being wrongfully terminated or a victim of crime based on gender, race, religion, or sexual preference etc etc.Go Beavers said:
Are you fine with people being fired from a job for their gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation?JC29856 said:
Thanks for the civil rights history lesson (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States) but you specifically asked about Jews. I'll summarize:mrussel1 said:
The history of hate crime legislation goes back to the Civil Rights era. I'm sure you are well aware that most criminal statutes are at the state level not the federal, and that was especially true in the 60's. Blacks were targeted for being uppity, talking to white women, sleeping with white women, etc. They were beaten, maimed and killed. But the 'trials' were all conducted locally under state statutes. So guess what happened in the South? Of course they were either not prosecuted or found not guilty. So the Federal gov't created hate crime statutes under the Civil Rights Act of 68 at the federal level to allow the Fed AG's to file federal charges and move the trials out of the local areas. Civil Rights violations were critical to stopping the violence against blacks and have been used for gays as well.JC29856 said:
I don't believe any group (religion, race, sexual orientation, overweight, bald, music preference, etc) should have additional protections then others. A crime is a crime. If the laws and or punishment for a crime are "soft" then "harden" them, for everyone.mrussel1 said:
Are you against hate crime legislation or do you not believe religiously motivated crimes against Jews should constitute a hate crime?JC29856 said:https://www.casey.senate.gov/newsroom/releases/with-attacks-on-the-rise-sens-casey-and-scott-introduce-bipartisan-anti-semitism-awareness-act
Protected class? Similar to hate crimes where certain groups are more lawfully protected than others.
I thought all men/women were equal.
Crime motivation is an entire can of worms I won't bother getting into.
Why should someone of Jewish faith have more protections than a gentile?
"Are you against hate crime legislation or do you not believe religiously motivated crimes against Jews should constitute a hate crime?"
My answer: I don't believe in protected classes, Jews gentiles, homo hetero, fat skinny, bald lovely locks, a crime is a crime.
Now if you want to argue that AGs are abusing the law by tacking on additional charges to murders, assaults, etc, when the perp is already being aggressively prosecuted, I can buy that argument. There are many cases today of over zealous prosecutors tacking on as many charges as possible to ring up years like it's a pinball game. Here's a great example: http://www.thedailychronic.net/2014/36539/texas-teen-no-longer-faces-life-in-prison-for-pot-brownies/
But to argue that this country has NEVER needed such laws or that they may not be needed in the future ignores our history and the world's history of persecution against gays, blacks and yes...some would say Jews have been persecuted before.
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I wonder if I were to wear a #fireuptheovens t shirt to a community room in a Jewish synagogue or community center, would I be verbally assaulted? I know, let me print one up, put it on and wear a go pro live streaming to facefuck or twatter and see what happens. Pimps and hos, ho, ho, ho.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Your question in response to my question is oddly worded, but I engage in a contract with anyone that provides services to the public, and that contract is that I can't be denied services based on me being a part of a protected class.JC29856 said:
What contract(s), expectation(s) understanding(s), agreement(s) do you have with every person excluding your employer that could have committed a crime against you?Go Beavers said:
So you believe in legal protections based on a person's class and that there can be consequences for the offender if they offend based on the victim belonging to a particular protected group.JC29856 said:
No, I'm not fine with someone being wrongfully terminated or a victim of crime based on gender, race, religion, or sexual preference etc etc.Go Beavers said:
Are you fine with people being fired from a job for their gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation?JC29856 said:
Thanks for the civil rights history lesson (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States) but you specifically asked about Jews. I'll summarize:mrussel1 said:
The history of hate crime legislation goes back to the Civil Rights era. I'm sure you are well aware that most criminal statutes are at the state level not the federal, and that was especially true in the 60's. Blacks were targeted for being uppity, talking to white women, sleeping with white women, etc. They were beaten, maimed and killed. But the 'trials' were all conducted locally under state statutes. So guess what happened in the South? Of course they were either not prosecuted or found not guilty. So the Federal gov't created hate crime statutes under the Civil Rights Act of 68 at the federal level to allow the Fed AG's to file federal charges and move the trials out of the local areas. Civil Rights violations were critical to stopping the violence against blacks and have been used for gays as well.JC29856 said:
I don't believe any group (religion, race, sexual orientation, overweight, bald, music preference, etc) should have additional protections then others. A crime is a crime. If the laws and or punishment for a crime are "soft" then "harden" them, for everyone.mrussel1 said:
Are you against hate crime legislation or do you not believe religiously motivated crimes against Jews should constitute a hate crime?JC29856 said:https://www.casey.senate.gov/newsroom/releases/with-attacks-on-the-rise-sens-casey-and-scott-introduce-bipartisan-anti-semitism-awareness-act
Protected class? Similar to hate crimes where certain groups are more lawfully protected than others.
I thought all men/women were equal.
Crime motivation is an entire can of worms I won't bother getting into.
Why should someone of Jewish faith have more protections than a gentile?
"Are you against hate crime legislation or do you not believe religiously motivated crimes against Jews should constitute a hate crime?"
My answer: I don't believe in protected classes, Jews gentiles, homo hetero, fat skinny, bald lovely locks, a crime is a crime.0 -
Is there any more of a protected class then our fine officers?mrussel1 said:
Going back to your original point, a crime is a crime. The problem is that crimes committed against certain classes of citizens were not prosecuted because the bias extended to the judges, prosecutors and even the juries. So a federal law was created to enable the Justice Department to pick up prosecution where local prosecution would not. It's that simple.JC29856 said:
What contract(s), expectation(s) understanding(s), agreement(s) do you have with every person excluding your employer that could have committed a crime against you?Go Beavers said:
So you believe in legal protections based on a person's class and that there can be consequences for the offender if they offend based on the victim belonging to a particular protected group.JC29856 said:
No, I'm not fine with someone being wrongfully terminated or a victim of crime based on gender, race, religion, or sexual preference etc etc.Go Beavers said:
Are you fine with people being fired from a job for their gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation?JC29856 said:
Thanks for the civil rights history lesson (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States) but you specifically asked about Jews. I'll summarize:mrussel1 said:
The history of hate crime legislation goes back to the Civil Rights era. I'm sure you are well aware that most criminal statutes are at the state level not the federal, and that was especially true in the 60's. Blacks were targeted for being uppity, talking to white women, sleeping with white women, etc. They were beaten, maimed and killed. But the 'trials' were all conducted locally under state statutes. So guess what happened in the South? Of course they were either not prosecuted or found not guilty. So the Federal gov't created hate crime statutes under the Civil Rights Act of 68 at the federal level to allow the Fed AG's to file federal charges and move the trials out of the local areas. Civil Rights violations were critical to stopping the violence against blacks and have been used for gays as well.JC29856 said:
I don't believe any group (religion, race, sexual orientation, overweight, bald, music preference, etc) should have additional protections then others. A crime is a crime. If the laws and or punishment for a crime are "soft" then "harden" them, for everyone.mrussel1 said:
Are you against hate crime legislation or do you not believe religiously motivated crimes against Jews should constitute a hate crime?JC29856 said:https://www.casey.senate.gov/newsroom/releases/with-attacks-on-the-rise-sens-casey-and-scott-introduce-bipartisan-anti-semitism-awareness-act
Protected class? Similar to hate crimes where certain groups are more lawfully protected than others.
I thought all men/women were equal.
Crime motivation is an entire can of worms I won't bother getting into.
Why should someone of Jewish faith have more protections than a gentile?
"Are you against hate crime legislation or do you not believe religiously motivated crimes against Jews should constitute a hate crime?"
My answer: I don't believe in protected classes, Jews gentiles, homo hetero, fat skinny, bald lovely locks, a crime is a crime.
Now if you want to argue that AGs are abusing the law by tacking on additional charges to murders, assaults, etc, when the perp is already being aggressively prosecuted, I can buy that argument. There are many cases today of over zealous prosecutors tacking on as many charges as possible to ring up years like it's a pinball game. Here's a great example: http://www.thedailychronic.net/2014/36539/texas-teen-no-longer-faces-life-in-prison-for-pot-brownies/
But to argue that this country has NEVER needed such laws or that they may not be needed in the future ignores our history and the world's history of persecution against gays, blacks and yes...some would say Jews have been persecuted before.0 -
Is there a rash of alleged crimes against officers not being prosecuted? If so, then I agree. If not, then no, not necessary.JC29856 said:
Is there any more of a protected class then our fine officers?mrussel1 said:
Going back to your original point, a crime is a crime. The problem is that crimes committed against certain classes of citizens were not prosecuted because the bias extended to the judges, prosecutors and even the juries. So a federal law was created to enable the Justice Department to pick up prosecution where local prosecution would not. It's that simple.JC29856 said:
What contract(s), expectation(s) understanding(s), agreement(s) do you have with every person excluding your employer that could have committed a crime against you?Go Beavers said:
So you believe in legal protections based on a person's class and that there can be consequences for the offender if they offend based on the victim belonging to a particular protected group.JC29856 said:
No, I'm not fine with someone being wrongfully terminated or a victim of crime based on gender, race, religion, or sexual preference etc etc.Go Beavers said:
Are you fine with people being fired from a job for their gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation?JC29856 said:
Thanks for the civil rights history lesson (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States) but you specifically asked about Jews. I'll summarize:mrussel1 said:
The history of hate crime legislation goes back to the Civil Rights era. I'm sure you are well aware that most criminal statutes are at the state level not the federal, and that was especially true in the 60's. Blacks were targeted for being uppity, talking to white women, sleeping with white women, etc. They were beaten, maimed and killed. But the 'trials' were all conducted locally under state statutes. So guess what happened in the South? Of course they were either not prosecuted or found not guilty. So the Federal gov't created hate crime statutes under the Civil Rights Act of 68 at the federal level to allow the Fed AG's to file federal charges and move the trials out of the local areas. Civil Rights violations were critical to stopping the violence against blacks and have been used for gays as well.JC29856 said:
I don't believe any group (religion, race, sexual orientation, overweight, bald, music preference, etc) should have additional protections then others. A crime is a crime. If the laws and or punishment for a crime are "soft" then "harden" them, for everyone.mrussel1 said:
Are you against hate crime legislation or do you not believe religiously motivated crimes against Jews should constitute a hate crime?JC29856 said:https://www.casey.senate.gov/newsroom/releases/with-attacks-on-the-rise-sens-casey-and-scott-introduce-bipartisan-anti-semitism-awareness-act
Protected class? Similar to hate crimes where certain groups are more lawfully protected than others.
I thought all men/women were equal.
Crime motivation is an entire can of worms I won't bother getting into.
Why should someone of Jewish faith have more protections than a gentile?
"Are you against hate crime legislation or do you not believe religiously motivated crimes against Jews should constitute a hate crime?"
My answer: I don't believe in protected classes, Jews gentiles, homo hetero, fat skinny, bald lovely locks, a crime is a crime.
Now if you want to argue that AGs are abusing the law by tacking on additional charges to murders, assaults, etc, when the perp is already being aggressively prosecuted, I can buy that argument. There are many cases today of over zealous prosecutors tacking on as many charges as possible to ring up years like it's a pinball game. Here's a great example: http://www.thedailychronic.net/2014/36539/texas-teen-no-longer-faces-life-in-prison-for-pot-brownies/
But to argue that this country has NEVER needed such laws or that they may not be needed in the future ignores our history and the world's history of persecution against gays, blacks and yes...some would say Jews have been persecuted before.0 -
UK MEP — "I'm not sure whether Putin tried to influence the US Presidential race. But I'm damned sure that Obama tried to influence the UK Referendum."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284790-nigel-farage-obama-helped-force-brexit
http://time.com/4382299/barack-obama-brexit-referendum-entrepreneurship-summit/0 -
Obama spoke publicly. That's quite different than espionage. Again... false equivalency.JC29856 said:UK MEP — "I'm not sure whether Putin tried to influence the US Presidential race. But I'm damned sure that Obama tried to influence the UK Referendum."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284790-nigel-farage-obama-helped-force-brexit
http://time.com/4382299/barack-obama-brexit-referendum-entrepreneurship-summit/0 -
Russian spy!!!mrussel1 said:
Obama spoke publicly. That's quite different than espionage. Again... false equivalency.JC29856 said:UK MEP — "I'm not sure whether Putin tried to influence the US Presidential race. But I'm damned sure that Obama tried to influence the UK Referendum."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284790-nigel-farage-obama-helped-force-brexit
http://time.com/4382299/barack-obama-brexit-referendum-entrepreneurship-summit/
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Yeah no shit... And as if we should be okay with Russia interfering with our elections. I don't give a damn if it's hypocritical or not.Halifax2TheMax said:
Common knowledge, knowledge, knowledge!!!JC29856 said:0 -
But trumpeters are so down with it! They don't care? As evidenced by the memes posted, they're still afraid of the elimination of the white race. After all, they just want their country back. Speaking of which, it's been eight years, right? Just about, right? Anyone been to a FEMA camp? How about had your guns confiscated? Maybe saw UN troops occupying Main Street? Oh, oh, oh, I know, been before a death panel and had your life taken away? Maybe seen the economy crash and the country go bankrupt because of Fed policies and socialist, Marxist, communist, Kenyan policies ruining the economy? Oh, oh, oh, wait, wait, wait, it's the millions, millions, millions of illegals that have been granted amnesty and keep flooding across our borders and taking over? Oh, no, no, no, I know what it is, gay marriage and all those happy loving couples have brought on the End of Days? Well, it is pretty windy out and temps are in the single digits, minuses with wind chill, so it must be climate change is a hoax?mrussel1 said:
Yeah no shit... And as if we should be okay with Russia interfering with our elections. I don't give a damn if it's hypocritical or not.Halifax2TheMax said:
Common knowledge, knowledge, knowledge!!!JC29856 said:
Yup, it's been almost eight years and not one of your single fantasies came true. You're as delusional as suicide bombers and 101 virgins, virgins, virgins!!!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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But hey, there's 35 more days so I'll give you that.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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and that's why many considered this past election as having the two worst candidates ever ... because people continue to turn a blind eye to the truths they don't really want to hear ... people just want to hear and only listen to the things that meet their biases ...mrussel1 said:
Yeah no shit... And as if we should be okay with Russia interfering with our elections. I don't give a damn if it's hypocritical or not.Halifax2TheMax said:
Common knowledge, knowledge, knowledge!!!JC29856 said:0 -
No, that's not at all what I mean. It means I'm fully aware of how the US government, through covert and overt actions, have attempted to influence and install governments for the past 100 years. But that doesn't mean I'm going to say "Oh, I know we do it so I can't really be mad at Russia". Every country has the right to be furious at the US. I have the right to be furious at Russia. The difference is that we can do something about it. Fuck them. Fuck Russia. Fuck Russia in particular. They have butchered my people for 300+ years.polaris_x said:
and that's why many considered this past election as having the two worst candidates ever ... because people continue to turn a blind eye to the truths they don't really want to hear ... people just want to hear and only listen to the things that meet their biases ...mrussel1 said:
Yeah no shit... And as if we should be okay with Russia interfering with our elections. I don't give a damn if it's hypocritical or not.Halifax2TheMax said:
Common knowledge, knowledge, knowledge!!!JC29856 said:0 -
the problem is that the only thing you are interested in having change is the intervention in your own system ... you may acknowledge the role of US imperialistic actions but you aren't doing anything about it ...mrussel1 said:
No, that's not at all what I mean. It means I'm fully aware of how the US government, through covert and overt actions, have attempted to influence and install governments for the past 100 years. But that doesn't mean I'm going to say "Oh, I know we do it so I can't really be mad at Russia". Every country has the right to be furious at the US. I have the right to be furious at Russia. The difference is that we can do something about it. Fuck them. Fuck Russia. Fuck Russia in particular. They have butchered my people for 300+ years.polaris_x said:
and that's why many considered this past election as having the two worst candidates ever ... because people continue to turn a blind eye to the truths they don't really want to hear ... people just want to hear and only listen to the things that meet their biases ...mrussel1 said:
Yeah no shit... And as if we should be okay with Russia interfering with our elections. I don't give a damn if it's hypocritical or not.Halifax2TheMax said:
Common knowledge, knowledge, knowledge!!!JC29856 said:0 -
I'm not naive. You aren't going to get to a place where governments are not interfering. It's been done since the times of the Greeks. I guess I'm a little pessimistic about changing human nature. I don't blame the Russians for doing what they did, but I do blame Trump for his actions (or inaction) regarding this issue.polaris_x said:
the problem is that the only thing you are interested in having change is the intervention in your own system ... you may acknowledge the role of US imperialistic actions but you aren't doing anything about it ...mrussel1 said:
No, that's not at all what I mean. It means I'm fully aware of how the US government, through covert and overt actions, have attempted to influence and install governments for the past 100 years. But that doesn't mean I'm going to say "Oh, I know we do it so I can't really be mad at Russia". Every country has the right to be furious at the US. I have the right to be furious at Russia. The difference is that we can do something about it. Fuck them. Fuck Russia. Fuck Russia in particular. They have butchered my people for 300+ years.polaris_x said:
and that's why many considered this past election as having the two worst candidates ever ... because people continue to turn a blind eye to the truths they don't really want to hear ... people just want to hear and only listen to the things that meet their biases ...mrussel1 said:
Yeah no shit... And as if we should be okay with Russia interfering with our elections. I don't give a damn if it's hypocritical or not.Halifax2TheMax said:
Common knowledge, knowledge, knowledge!!!JC29856 said:0 -
the majority of democratic gov'ts around the world do not engage in regime change and covert actions ... really, those countries that do can be narrowed down to the US, Israel, Russia, China, UK and France ...mrussel1 said:
I'm not naive. You aren't going to get to a place where governments are not interfering. It's been done since the times of the Greeks. I guess I'm a little pessimistic about changing human nature. I don't blame the Russians for doing what they did, but I do blame Trump for his actions (or inaction) regarding this issue.polaris_x said:
the problem is that the only thing you are interested in having change is the intervention in your own system ... you may acknowledge the role of US imperialistic actions but you aren't doing anything about it ...mrussel1 said:
No, that's not at all what I mean. It means I'm fully aware of how the US government, through covert and overt actions, have attempted to influence and install governments for the past 100 years. But that doesn't mean I'm going to say "Oh, I know we do it so I can't really be mad at Russia". Every country has the right to be furious at the US. I have the right to be furious at Russia. The difference is that we can do something about it. Fuck them. Fuck Russia. Fuck Russia in particular. They have butchered my people for 300+ years.polaris_x said:
and that's why many considered this past election as having the two worst candidates ever ... because people continue to turn a blind eye to the truths they don't really want to hear ... people just want to hear and only listen to the things that meet their biases ...mrussel1 said:
Yeah no shit... And as if we should be okay with Russia interfering with our elections. I don't give a damn if it's hypocritical or not.Halifax2TheMax said:
Common knowledge, knowledge, knowledge!!!JC29856 said:0 -
AKA the countries with the resources to do it...polaris_x said:
the majority of democratic gov'ts around the world do not engage in regime change and covert actions ... really, those countries that do can be narrowed down to the US, Israel, Russia, China, UK and France ...mrussel1 said:
I'm not naive. You aren't going to get to a place where governments are not interfering. It's been done since the times of the Greeks. I guess I'm a little pessimistic about changing human nature. I don't blame the Russians for doing what they did, but I do blame Trump for his actions (or inaction) regarding this issue.polaris_x said:
the problem is that the only thing you are interested in having change is the intervention in your own system ... you may acknowledge the role of US imperialistic actions but you aren't doing anything about it ...mrussel1 said:
No, that's not at all what I mean. It means I'm fully aware of how the US government, through covert and overt actions, have attempted to influence and install governments for the past 100 years. But that doesn't mean I'm going to say "Oh, I know we do it so I can't really be mad at Russia". Every country has the right to be furious at the US. I have the right to be furious at Russia. The difference is that we can do something about it. Fuck them. Fuck Russia. Fuck Russia in particular. They have butchered my people for 300+ years.polaris_x said:
and that's why many considered this past election as having the two worst candidates ever ... because people continue to turn a blind eye to the truths they don't really want to hear ... people just want to hear and only listen to the things that meet their biases ...mrussel1 said:
Yeah no shit... And as if we should be okay with Russia interfering with our elections. I don't give a damn if it's hypocritical or not.Halifax2TheMax said:
Common knowledge, knowledge, knowledge!!!JC29856 said:
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