The question is whether Brown was killed illegally by the officer. Whether or not he robbed the store is irrelevant. Stealing cigars is not punishable by death.
No, stealing isn't punishable by death. But the robbery is relevant. Even if the cop doesn't know he robbed the store, Brown doesn't know that. The fact that he robbed a store and minutes later there's a cop around had to have an impact on Brown's decision making process.
CNN reporting another man shot 23 yr old brandishing knife refused to put it down ...I'm not sure what people expect the cops to do if your not going to comply and walk around with weapons ..
CNN reporting another man shot 23 yr old brandishing knife refused to put it down ...I'm not sure what people expect the cops to do if your not going to comply and walk around with weapons ..
brown robbed the store & is clutching those cigars. he & his little partner decide to calmly take a stroll down the fucking street, not the sidewalk. let's just be obvious, defiant & show everyone we are runnin the show around here. when asked to take the walk to the sidewalk by a policeman we will be as we are... runnin the show around here
good ideas these folks had
strong arming a shopkeeper & walking down the damn street. asking for trouble anyone? if you are gonna be a thug ass criminal why not use your damn brain? petty crime, yes. stupid ass bullshit
The question is whether Brown was killed illegally by the officer. Whether or not he robbed the store is irrelevant. Stealing cigars is not punishable by death.
No, stealing isn't punishable by death. But the robbery is relevant. Even if the cop doesn't know he robbed the store, Brown doesn't know that. The fact that he robbed a store and minutes later there's a cop around had to have an impact on Brown's decision making process.
Still not punishable by death. Hell murder isn't punishable by death in some states. Worst case this kid was a punk. That warrants two head shots?
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CNN reporting another man shot 23 yr old brandishing knife refused to put it down ...I'm not sure what people expect the cops to do if your not going to comply and walk around with weapons ..
brown robbed the store & is clutching those cigars. he & his little partner decide to calmly take a stroll down the fucking street, not the sidewalk. let's just be obvious, defiant & show everyone we are runnin the show around here. when asked to take the walk to the sidewalk by a policeman we will be as we are... runnin the show around here
good ideas these folks had
strong arming a shopkeeper & walking down the damn street. asking for trouble anyone? if you are gonna be a thug ass criminal why not use your damn brain? petty crime, yes. stupid ass bullshit
Had same thoughts. Dudes a dick and he likely contributed to his own demise.
brown robbed the store & is clutching those cigars. he & his little partner decide to calmly take a stroll down the fucking street, not the sidewalk. let's just be obvious, defiant & show everyone we are runnin the show around here. when asked to take the walk to the sidewalk by a policeman we will be as we are... runnin the show around here
good ideas these folks had
strong arming a shopkeeper & walking down the damn street. asking for trouble anyone? if you are gonna be a thug ass criminal why not use your damn brain? petty crime, yes. stupid ass bullshit
I don't think you are a racist, but the word thug is being adopted in a racist manner.
CNN reporting another man shot 23 yr old brandishing knife refused to put it down ...I'm not sure what people expect the cops to do if your not going to comply and walk around with weapons ..
That has nothing to do with this topic.
it don't? oh ok
No weapon was found on Brown and we don't know if he was trying to comply. Trying to confuse the two incidents is just what it is.....trying to confuse the two.
CNN reporting another man shot 23 yr old brandishing knife refused to put it down ...I'm not sure what people expect the cops to do if your not going to comply and walk around with weapons ..
That has nothing to do with this topic.
Yes it does - it happened close to wear MB was killed.
brown robbed the store & is clutching those cigars. he & his little partner decide to calmly take a stroll down the fucking street, not the sidewalk. let's just be obvious, defiant & show everyone we are runnin the show around here. when asked to take the walk to the sidewalk by a policeman we will be as we are... runnin the show around here
good ideas these folks had
strong arming a shopkeeper & walking down the damn street. asking for trouble anyone? if you are gonna be a thug ass criminal why not use your damn brain? petty crime, yes. stupid ass bullshit
I don't think you are a racist, but the word thug is being adopted in a racist manner.
brown robbed the store & is clutching those cigars. he & his little partner decide to calmly take a stroll down the fucking street, not the sidewalk. let's just be obvious, defiant & show everyone we are runnin the show around here. when asked to take the walk to the sidewalk by a policeman we will be as we are... runnin the show around here
good ideas these folks had
strong arming a shopkeeper & walking down the damn street. asking for trouble anyone? if you are gonna be a thug ass criminal why not use your damn brain? petty crime, yes. stupid ass bullshit
brown robbed the store & is clutching those cigars. he & his little partner decide to calmly take a stroll down the fucking street, not the sidewalk. let's just be obvious, defiant & show everyone we are runnin the show around here. when asked to take the walk to the sidewalk by a policeman we will be as we are... runnin the show around here
good ideas these folks had
strong arming a shopkeeper & walking down the damn street. asking for trouble anyone? if you are gonna be a thug ass criminal why not use your damn brain? petty crime, yes. stupid ass bullshit
I don't think you are a racist, but the word thug is being adopted in a racist manner.
The question is whether Brown was killed illegally by the officer. Whether or not he robbed the store is irrelevant. Stealing cigars is not punishable by death.
No, stealing isn't punishable by death. But the robbery is relevant. Even if the cop doesn't know he robbed the store, Brown doesn't know that. The fact that he robbed a store and minutes later there's a cop around had to have an impact on Brown's decision making process.
Still not punishable by death. Hell murder isn't punishable by death in some states. Worst case this kid was a punk. That warrants two head shots?
He wasn't killed for stealing. We don't know the facts of the case. My assumption is that he was killed for somehow threatening the police officer. You are very quick to call the police officer a murderer when none of us knows the facts of the case.
The question is whether Brown was killed illegally by the officer. Whether or not he robbed the store is irrelevant. Stealing cigars is not punishable by death.
No, stealing isn't punishable by death. But the robbery is relevant. Even if the cop doesn't know he robbed the store, Brown doesn't know that. The fact that he robbed a store and minutes later there's a cop around had to have an impact on Brown's decision making process.
Still not punishable by death. Hell murder isn't punishable by death in some states. Worst case this kid was a punk. That warrants two head shots?
He wasn't killed for stealing. We don't know the facts of the case. My assumption is that he was killed for somehow threatening the police officer. You are very quick to call the police officer a murderer when none of us knows the facts of the case.
There is a lot of contradiction here.
You are right, we don't know the facts. So why are you going on assumptions?
The most disturbing part of this is the militarization of the police. Between the War on Drugs and "Terrorism" the local Law Enforcement has gotten out of hand.
We've lost something when you see police officers in full combat gear sitting on top of armored personnel carriers looking through semi automatic assault weapon scopes at Americans. After all these days they are still pointing weapons at people... WTF?....
When Amnesty International has to dispatch inspectors to an American city, something needs to change.
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and one other thing, can you imagine being a cop in a high crime and violence area ? I'm not saying cops are perfect there are some bad cops but but they do get death threats just because they're cops,they get shot at just because they're cops and they get killed just because they're cops.....that would make a person a little more cautious don't ya think ?
Godfather.
Sure it would....but how does that justify killing Michael Brown when he's got his hands up, he's on the ground, and he's already been shot 2 times?
Im not trying to justify anything Im pointing out that people get killed everyday and some by cops but soon as a black person gets killed by a cop or a white person all hell breaks loose,the larger percentage of blacks killed in violent crimes are by other blacks but you don't see looting and arson in that case do you.
Godfather.
You're just passing on a stereotype...that's total BS... not helpful
Please show some Justice Department stats that show black on black crime is higher than white on white....
This is about a community that has basically lived under police occupation since segregation. Keep taking away opportunities and keep making the economic equality wider and cities will begin to burn.
The most disturbing part of this is the militarization of the police. Between the War on Drugs and "Terrorism" the local Law Enforcement has gotten out of hand.
We've lost something when you see police officers in full combat gear sitting on top of armored personnel carriers looking through semi automatic assault weapon scopes at Americans. After all these days they are still pointing weapons at people... WTF?....
When Amnesty International has to dispatch inspectors to an American city, something needs to change.
I'm not contradicting myself. I have an opinion based on nothing more than what I've read in the papers and seen on tv. I haven't presented anything as fact or said the cop was a murderer or said that Brown had it coming.
My opinion is just that. I'm not ready to declare the cop a murderer or innocent. That doesn't mean that I am contradicting myself for having an opinion.
and one other thing, can you imagine being a cop in a high crime and violence area ? I'm not saying cops are perfect there are some bad cops but but they do get death threats just because they're cops,they get shot at just because they're cops and they get killed just because they're cops.....that would make a person a little more cautious don't ya think ?
Godfather.
Sure it would....but how does that justify killing Michael Brown when he's got his hands up, he's on the ground, and he's already been shot 2 times?
Im not trying to justify anything Im pointing out that people get killed everyday and some by cops but soon as a black person gets killed by a cop or a white person all hell breaks loose,the larger percentage of blacks killed in violent crimes are by other blacks but you don't see looting and arson in that case do you.
Godfather.
You're just passing on a stereotype...that's total BS... not helpful
Please show some Justice Department stats that show black on black crime is higher than white on white....
This is about a community that has basically lived under police occupation since segregation. Keep taking away opportunities and keep making the economic equality wider and cities will begin to burn.
very sad stuff going on here & around the world. law enforcement probably doesn't like rocks, molotov cocktails & whatever else thrown at them. didn't i read that some are shooting at law enforcement too? good ideas
burn down shops, loot, riot & act the fool. this gets you everywhere
The question is whether Brown was killed illegally by the officer. Whether or not he robbed the store is irrelevant. Stealing cigars is not punishable by death.
No, stealing isn't punishable by death. But the robbery is relevant. Even if the cop doesn't know he robbed the store, Brown doesn't know that. The fact that he robbed a store and minutes later there's a cop around had to have an impact on Brown's decision making process.
Still not punishable by death. Hell murder isn't punishable by death in some states. Worst case this kid was a punk. That warrants two head shots?
He wasn't killed for stealing. We don't know the facts of the case. My assumption is that he was killed for somehow threatening the police officer. You are very quick to call the police officer a murderer when none of us knows the facts of the case.
If I turn out to be wrong I'll admit it. Based on the witnesses and the way the cops are acting I think the kid was murdered.
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brown robbed the store & is clutching those cigars. he & his little partner decide to calmly take a stroll down the fucking street, not the sidewalk. let's just be obvious, defiant & show everyone we are runnin the show around here. when asked to take the walk to the sidewalk by a policeman we will be as we are... runnin the show around here
good ideas these folks had
strong arming a shopkeeper & walking down the damn street. asking for trouble anyone? if you are gonna be a thug ass criminal why not use your damn brain? petty crime, yes. stupid ass bullshit
Asking for trouble or asking to be killed?
Without knowing the full story that seems to change every day... I'm not blaming the officer for what occurred quite yet.
What we do know is this guy had committed a crime, strutted down the middle of the street- essentially telling the world to go fuck themselves- defied police orders, and- likely thinking he was being detained for the robbery he just committed- resisted arrest (apparently lunging for a weapon as well).
On that note... if it is proven he lunged for the officer's weapon... what was he going to do with it? If he had shot the cop... everyone would be saying, "Why didn't the cop use his gun? What type of cop allows the detained to grab his gun and use it against him?"
From everything I have read, this case must determine exactly what threat Brown presented to the officer handling the situation. If it is established that Brown- a massive human being by all accounts- presented himself as a formidable threat that could easily overpower the officer and that he made an effort to do so... then I don't know if we should be the ones to judge whether or not excessive force was used or not. A cop, upholding the law and in a life or death situation against a criminal gets my support. Sorry.
Brown was in control of the situation to start with: 1. He didn't have to rob the store. 2. He didn't have to walk down the middle of the street demanding attention. 3. He didn't have to ignore the cops demands which were reasonable to start with. 4. He didn't have to resist arrest and lunge for a weapon.
Better judgement at any one of those moments and he likely would still be alive. In hindsight and from afar, it's easy to say what the cop should have done; but given the cop was forced to deal with the moment and make instantaneous decisions that might have cost him his life... I'm inclined to exercise a bare minimum of understanding... at least until the full story comes out.
brown robbed the store & is clutching those cigars. he & his little partner decide to calmly take a stroll down the fucking street, not the sidewalk. let's just be obvious, defiant & show everyone we are runnin the show around here. when asked to take the walk to the sidewalk by a policeman we will be as we are... runnin the show around here
good ideas these folks had
strong arming a shopkeeper & walking down the damn street. asking for trouble anyone? if you are gonna be a thug ass criminal why not use your damn brain? petty crime, yes. stupid ass bullshit
Asking for trouble or asking to be killed?
Without knowing the full story that seems to change every day... I'm not blaming the officer for what occurred quite yet.
What we do know is this guy had committed a crime, strutted down the middle of the street- essentially telling the world to go fuck themselves- defied police orders, and- likely thinking he was being detained for the robbery he just committed- resisted arrest (apparently lunging for a weapon as well).
On that note... if it is proven he lunged for the officer's weapon... what was he going to do with it? If he had shot the cop... everyone would be saying, "Why didn't the cop use his gun? What type of cop allows the detained to grab his gun and use it against him?"
From everything I have read, this case must determine exactly what threat Brown presented to the officer handling the situation. If it is established that Brown- a massive human being by all accounts- presented himself as a formidable threat that could easily overpower the officer and that he made an effort to do so... then I don't know if we should be the ones to judge whether or not excessive force was used or not. A cop, upholding the law and in a life or death situation against a criminal gets my support. Sorry.
Brown was in control of the situation to start with: 1. He didn't have to rob the store. 2. He didn't have to walk down the middle of the street demanding attention. 3. He didn't have to ignore the cops demands which were reasonable to start with. 4. He didn't have to resist arrest and lunge for a weapon.
Better judgement at any one of those moments and he likely would still be alive. In hindsight and from afar, it's easy to say what the cop should have done; but given the cop was forced to deal with the moment and make instantaneous decisions that might have cost him his life... I'm inclined to exercise a bare minimum of understanding... at least until the full story comes out.
I don't disagree at all. The story has to come out. We will see if it does. But to basically say the guy deserves what he got because he was asking for trouble is insane.
The fact is an unarmed 18 year old is dead, regardless of race. People have every reason to be angry and want answers.
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good ideas these folks had
strong arming a shopkeeper & walking down the damn street. asking for trouble anyone? if you are gonna be a thug ass criminal why not use your damn brain? petty crime, yes. stupid ass bullshit
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I am tired; my heart is
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I don't think you are a racist, but the word thug is being adopted in a racist manner.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/richard-sherman-is-right-thug-is-the-new-n-world.html
No weapon was found on Brown and we don't know if he was trying to comply. Trying to confuse the two incidents is just what it is.....trying to confuse the two.
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
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You are right, we don't know the facts. So why are you going on assumptions?
We've lost something when you see police officers in full combat gear sitting on top of armored personnel carriers looking through semi automatic assault weapon scopes at Americans. After all these days they are still pointing weapons at people... WTF?....
When Amnesty International has to dispatch inspectors to an American city, something needs to change.
Please show some Justice Department stats that show black on black crime is higher than white on white....
This is about a community that has basically lived under police occupation since segregation. Keep taking away opportunities and keep making the economic equality wider and cities will begin to burn.
My opinion is just that. I'm not ready to declare the cop a murderer or innocent. That doesn't mean that I am contradicting myself for having an opinion.
Would you expand on that please? PM me if you like. Im not being a smart ass, I would.like to know what you are referencing.
burn down shops, loot, riot & act the fool. this gets you everywhere
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
What we do know is this guy had committed a crime, strutted down the middle of the street- essentially telling the world to go fuck themselves- defied police orders, and- likely thinking he was being detained for the robbery he just committed- resisted arrest (apparently lunging for a weapon as well).
On that note... if it is proven he lunged for the officer's weapon... what was he going to do with it? If he had shot the cop... everyone would be saying, "Why didn't the cop use his gun? What type of cop allows the detained to grab his gun and use it against him?"
From everything I have read, this case must determine exactly what threat Brown presented to the officer handling the situation. If it is established that Brown- a massive human being by all accounts- presented himself as a formidable threat that could easily overpower the officer and that he made an effort to do so... then I don't know if we should be the ones to judge whether or not excessive force was used or not. A cop, upholding the law and in a life or death situation against a criminal gets my support. Sorry.
Brown was in control of the situation to start with:
1. He didn't have to rob the store.
2. He didn't have to walk down the middle of the street demanding attention.
3. He didn't have to ignore the cops demands which were reasonable to start with.
4. He didn't have to resist arrest and lunge for a weapon.
Better judgement at any one of those moments and he likely would still be alive. In hindsight and from afar, it's easy to say what the cop should have done; but given the cop was forced to deal with the moment and make instantaneous decisions that might have cost him his life... I'm inclined to exercise a bare minimum of understanding... at least until the full story comes out.
The fact is an unarmed 18 year old is dead, regardless of race. People have every reason to be angry and want answers.
Everyone has handled the situation terribly