Michael Brown Shooting

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

was there any proof that racial profiling was part of the killing ? or is that just the ol' stand by defence that is used to back up a charge of murder ? people use that term to gather support from those that will believe it.

Godfather.

No, there is no proof. It is an assumption based on experience and various statistics. That part of it is opinion.... a valid opinion IMO. But the fact that the cops murdered an unarmed, injured kid with his hands raised isn't an opinion, and that warrants public outrage too. Obviously. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to argue.... that race issues shouldn't be a factor here? That's a tall order. Racism towards blacks in many places in America is palpable as far as they are concerned. Given the history and the stats, it seems pretty understandable that race becomes a part of the issue here. Keep in mind that it is a very emotional topic for a lot of people.

PJ,I don't see how in a suburb that is almost all black,that there was profiling.This officer was on the job for 6 years in the same town with no other issues.So I'm sure Hes had both good and bad dealings with the community.I think this is a tragic situation,and. In time we should see all the facts and details leading up to the actual killing.In No way am I condoning what the officer did if he killed the kid while in surrender.But in the couple of seconds this went down Isnt it possible that after the kid tried to take the cops weapon in the car(What innocent good kid does that btw) that maybe the officer was a little fearful that when the kid turned around he had a weapon.We don't know if his hands were up in the air or in the process of.Im not taking sides I want facts.I know alot of Law enforcement folks and some that work in predominantly black areas,You can't do your job if your a scum bag Rascist.So there is more to this.

To be honest, I have no idea if there really is a racism/profiling with the cops there. What I'm actually looking at is the anger and protests from the black community. I assume they aren't all retarded, so that's why I figure they have some kind of reason for this to include a racial aspect. Frankly, I trust the victims of racism when they speak up.against it a lot more than I do the accused. That said, the main issue IS still the fact that the cops shot an unarmed and injured kid like that. And I honestly believe that if it had been a white kid there would be just as much anger about it. There just wouldn't be added bonus of racial tension between white cops and black citizens.

chadwick

http://youtu.be/IbsiFFPPdW4
http://youtu.be/AlMjhoYPmZ8

hhmmmm

i see a very similar if not exactly the same st. louis ball cap.
it appears mike's little buddy is holding a darker colored cloth material on his shoulder as he is interviewed while wearing a white tank top that you can see haning out from under the darker shirt in video surveillance unless that is his underwear hanging out... blurry frickin video. those that know these guys know what is real in this footage, that i can say w/ certainty

interesting stuff

still the cop.... wow you are a dick!

chadwick

i am in florida at a redlight at a 4 way intersection with a line of traffic ahead of me, im hauling apples or seafood from washington. my codriver & me feel a sudden jolt/slight shake... i look in the passenger mirror & a car is veering off to the R as they had just smoked our DOT metal bumper & tore their car open as if the bumper were a can opener....

within 5-8 min a car full of darker skinned folks had phoned & texted everyone they each knew.
grandmas, cousins, grandpas, moms, dads, siblings, friends & whoever else. within 12 min i had 20-25 or more very excited gold teeth & big ol' girls on my ass for sitting at a redlight in a line of traffic.

it was the white truck drivers fault you see. unreal

how about drive your fucking car like you're paying attention???

the cop axed me, "why were you sitting here?"
"i was in a line of traffic @ a redlight." dude cop knew my answer ahead of time.... but has to ask

i was harrassed & demanded i give this big ol' girl my personal info & she wanted me to hand her my driver's license. "i aint giving you my info, the cop has all that & had my license & took the info down"
she was mad w/ smoke comin out here ears.
i aint taking her bullshit, intimidate someone else who is scared of your loud ass bullshit mob gathering mentality

cop guy tryin to do his job right? they be yelling at him through his cruiser's window & gettin funky on his ass. it took him twice as long if not longer to do this accident report & whatnot as he had to constantly stop & ask them to lower their voices & back away so he could write & talk on the radio

dignin

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

was there any proof that racial profiling was part of the killing ? or is that just the ol' stand by defence that is used to back up a charge of murder ? people use that term to gather support from those that will believe it.

Godfather.

No, there is no proof. It is an assumption based on experience and various statistics. That part of it is opinion.... a valid opinion IMO. But the fact that the cops murdered an unarmed, injured kid with his hands raised isn't an opinion, and that warrants public outrage too. Obviously. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to argue.... that race issues shouldn't be a factor here? That's a tall order. Racism towards blacks in many places in America is palpable as far as they are concerned. Given the history and the stats, it seems pretty understandable that race becomes a part of the issue here. Keep in mind that it is a very emotional topic for a lot of people.

But in the couple of seconds this went down Isnt it possible that after the kid tried to take the cops weapon in the car(What innocent good kid does that btw) that maybe the officer was a little fearful that when the kid turned around he had a weapon.We don't know if his hands were up in the air or in the process of.

If you are interested in the facts then why have you only taken the cops version of the story and not the other eye witnesses?

Dig,quote the whole paragraph,not just a fucking snippet.You will see I am not taking sides or condoning anything.I also didn't chastise the kid who robbed the store prior to the incident.
I've been listening to the kids side via his entire community all day on CNN.I haven't heard the other sides story in detail

Easy there cowboy.

I changed nothing and quoted, with relevance, what you imply as fact......when we both know it has not been proven as such.

Trying to keep this conversation honest. If you say you are interested in the facts then stick to them. It matters not which side of the issue you're on.

rr165892

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

was there any proof that racial profiling was part of the killing ? or is that just the ol' stand by defence that is used to back up a charge of murder ? people use that term to gather support from those that will believe it.

Godfather.

No, there is no proof. It is an assumption based on experience and various statistics. That part of it is opinion.... a valid opinion IMO. But the fact that the cops murdered an unarmed, injured kid with his hands raised isn't an opinion, and that warrants public outrage too. Obviously. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to argue.... that race issues shouldn't be a factor here? That's a tall order. Racism towards blacks in many places in America is palpable as far as they are concerned. Given the history and the stats, it seems pretty understandable that race becomes a part of the issue here. Keep in mind that it is a very emotional topic for a lot of people.

But in the couple of seconds this went down Isnt it possible that after the kid tried to take the cops weapon in the car(What innocent good kid does that btw) that maybe the officer was a little fearful that when the kid turned around he had a weapon.We don't know if his hands were up in the air or in the process of.

If you are interested in the facts then why have you only taken the cops version of the story and not the other eye witnesses?

Dig,quote the whole paragraph,not just a fucking snippet.You will see I am not taking sides or condoning anything.I also didn't chastise the kid who robbed the store prior to the incident.
I've been listening to the kids side via his entire community all day on CNN.I haven't heard the other sides story in detail

Easy there cowboy.

I changed nothing and quoted, with relevance, what you imply as fact......when we both know it has not been proven as such.

Trying to keep this conversation honest. If you say you are interested in the facts then stick to them. It matters not which side of the issue you're on.

I just have seen to many times a community,regardless of ethnicities jump to conclusions without all the facts.When Jesse starts entering the picture,emotions get whipped up and we loose site of the basic facts.I want to hear the cops story first.Then the evidence.If in fact he killed the kid in cold blood,then justice should be served to full extent of law.
As it should for the dirt bags who smashed windows and stole property and looted.

josevolution

The mentality of the looters is pathetic what does it accomplish what a waste ...

Godfather.

Saturday Morning thought: live by the sword...die by the sword.....at the end of the day who is right ? was this shooting justified ? or was this cop at a breaking point brought upon him by the actions of his victim ?...arn't you glad it was not you who pulled the trigger..... or caught the bullit, maybe it would be best if we did not put ourselfs in a position to be one or the other.

Godfather.

Last-12-Exit

Have we forgotten that we, the citizens, give police the right to kill as a tool to enforce the laws and protect us as well as themselves? It does not matter how many times this guy was shot. IF there is justification to shoot once, then it's shoot to kill. That's a big IF. I will also wait for the facts to come out before rushing to judgement. If I were a cop and had to pull my gun out and actually shoot, I'm not aiming for the leg. I'm going to empty the chamber in the chest and head.

dignin

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

rr165892 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

was there any proof that racial profiling was part of the killing ? or is that just the ol' stand by defence that is used to back up a charge of murder ? people use that term to gather support from those that will believe it.

Godfather.

No, there is no proof. It is an assumption based on experience and various statistics. That part of it is opinion.... a valid opinion IMO. But the fact that the cops murdered an unarmed, injured kid with his hands raised isn't an opinion, and that warrants public outrage too. Obviously. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to argue.... that race issues shouldn't be a factor here? That's a tall order. Racism towards blacks in many places in America is palpable as far as they are concerned. Given the history and the stats, it seems pretty understandable that race becomes a part of the issue here. Keep in mind that it is a very emotional topic for a lot of people.

But in the couple of seconds this went down Isnt it possible that after the kid tried to take the cops weapon in the car(What innocent good kid does that btw) that maybe the officer was a little fearful that when the kid turned around he had a weapon.We don't know if his hands were up in the air or in the process of.

If you are interested in the facts then why have you only taken the cops version of the story and not the other eye witnesses?

Dig,quote the whole paragraph,not just a fucking snippet.You will see I am not taking sides or condoning anything.I also didn't chastise the kid who robbed the store prior to the incident.
I've been listening to the kids side via his entire community all day on CNN.I haven't heard the other sides story in detail

Easy there cowboy.

I changed nothing and quoted, with relevance, what you imply as fact......when we both know it has not been proven as such.

Trying to keep this conversation honest. If you say you are interested in the facts then stick to them. It matters not which side of the issue you're on.

I just have seen to many times a community,regardless of ethnicities jump to conclusions without all the facts.When Jesse starts entering the picture,emotions get whipped up and we loose site of the basic facts.I want to hear the cops story first.Then the evidence.If in fact he killed the kid in cold blood,then justice should be served to full extent of law.
As it should for the dirt bags who smashed windows and stole property and looted.

Agreed

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The looting and rioting is nothing more than a bunch of thugs and criminals seizing a window of opportunity and be lawless under the guise of 'protesting'.

If I was a cop trying to deal with this guy... who by all accounts is massive and strong... and after already being defiant with me he makes a move towards me while we are in close proximity... I would hope I would have the courage to defend myself and not be overtaken only to have the gun stuffed up my ass with the 'gentle giant' pulling the trigger till it went click click.

From what I can tell by what I read... there definitely is an element of 'overkill' here that needs to be probed; however, it's fair to say the victim wasn't exactly coming back from the library after a night of studying.

What also needs to be said is the fact that although the cop may not have known Brown had just committed a felony, Brown knew he had... meaning: Brown had a much more intense mentality than the cop initially had in this situation- likely thinking he was being detained and about to be arrested. When people commit crimes and are in the last moments of their freedom... sometimes they resist and sometimes they resist with deadly force.

JimmyV

W.M.A. on the St Louis set list October 3rd.

Indifference71

josevolution said:

The mentality of the looters is pathetic what does it accomplish what a waste ...

Yep...accomplishes nothing. Just make things worse.

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

What also needs to be said is the fact that although the cop may not have known Brown had just committed a felony, Brown knew he had... meaning: Brown had a much more intense mentality than the cop initially had in this situation- likely thinking he was being detained and about to be arrested. When people commit crimes and are in the last moments of their freedom... sometimes they resist and sometimes they resist with deadly force.

This is a great point, Thirty.

rr165892

JimmyV said:

W.M.A. on the St Louis set list October 3rd.

A certain lock for sure

rr165892

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The looting and rioting is nothing more than a bunch of thugs and criminals seizing a window of opportunity and be lawless under the guise of 'protesting'.

If I was a cop trying to deal with this guy... who by all accounts is massive and strong... and after already being defiant with me he makes a move towards me while we are in close proximity... I would hope I would have the courage to defend myself and not be overtaken only to have the gun stuffed up my ass with the 'gentle giant' pulling the trigger till it went click click.

From what I can tell by what I read... there definitely is an element of 'overkill' here that needs to be probed; however, it's fair to say the victim wasn't exactly coming back from the library after a night of studying.

What also needs to be said is the fact that although the cop may not have known Brown had just committed a felony, Brown knew he had... meaning: Brown had a much more intense mentality than the cop initially had in this situation- likely thinking he was being detained and about to be arrested. When people commit crimes and are in the last moments of their freedom... sometimes they resist and sometimes they resist with deadly force.

+1
Loving the He was A "Gentle Giant". Just ignore the film from the store with his strong arm gentleness.

josevolution

Let me get this straight the police release video of Alleged SAR by brown & then they dont give any security to store owner at all so not only does he get robbed early in the week but now his store is looted , this has to be the most inept Police force in America and the looters are animals ....

cincybearcat

JimmyV said:

W.M.A. on the St Louis set list October 3rd.

Yup. And then what song do they play for the asshole looters?

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

JimmyV said:

W.M.A. on the St Louis set list October 3rd.

Yup. And then what song do they play for the asshole looters?

Rats

rr165892

cincybearcat said:

JimmyV said:

W.M.A. on the St Louis set list October 3rd.

Yup. And then what song do they play for the asshole looters?

Animal

rr165892

Im sorry,but if you want to get your point across burning up and looting your neighborhood is definitely not a good idea.I don't get it.
What are the citizens thinking.They are mad that a video was released? Truth is a pill tough swallowed I guess.