Cobain was a wingeing prick!!

jamie uk wrote:

OK, I said it 'out loud'. But I remember it like this... I heard Nirvana in 1991, thought they were very special. I heard PJ early 1992, instantly I preffered what they did-more rock than punk, but every bit as special. I still loved Nirvana, but Cobain went on that anti-PJ thing for ages, and he got right up my fuckin nose. I didn't even buy a ticket for the gig sheduled at Cardiff in 1994, I'd seen them allready and wasn't feeling the need to see the whingeing fucker again. He dissed Ed so much in the press, I ended up really disliking the tosser. I still loved his records, still do -even tho' they aint as good as PJ's- yet I thought he became a right fanny. I know Ed forgave him, but I wouldn't have-and indeeed I haven't really. I still think of him as a great artist who offered so much, yet counteracted his vision with his 'blinkered and judgemental' views and opinions of others. I couldn't stand the sight of the prick and his PJ moans by the time he did what he did! Sorry to Ed, I know you accepted his apology-but I didn't, and I thought in 92 as I do now, that Pearl Jam are a finer band than Nirvana-and it's been proven I reckon, so screw him!!.
juk
wHAT YOU RECKON?
RSVP.

My opinion is that you're taking all this shit way too personal. Who cares what Cobain thought about Pearl Jam? Does someone else's opinion effect your enjoyment of listening to Pearl Jam albums in anyway? No.

Even to take it to a personal level, if Vedder accepted the apology, why can't you?

The Gallagher brothers bitch about all kinds of bands (even ones I like) and I just think it's funny. To get offended b/c somebody you don't know says something mean about somebody you don't know is just silly.

It's rock and it's entertainment, even if those in the biz feud publicly. To take it futher, I think it's pretty rock and roll for rock stars to fued publicly and criticize, I wish they'd bitch more, feud more, be drunk in public more, and fuck up in concert more. I'm tired of this adult maturity shit, talking about babies, etc.

fanch75 wrote:

My opinion is that you're taking all this shit way too personal. Who cares what Cobain thought about Pearl Jam? Does someone else's opinion effect your enjoyment of listening to Pearl Jam albums in anyway? No.

Even to take it to a personal level, if Vedder accepted the apology, why can't you?

The Gallagher brothers bitch about all kinds of bands (even ones I like) and I just think it's funny. To get offended b/c somebody you don't know says something mean about somebody you don't know is just silly.

It's rock and it's entertainment, even if those in the biz feud publicly. To take it futher, I think it's pretty rock and roll for rock stars to fued publicly and criticize, I wish they'd bitch more, feud more, be drunk in public more, and fuck up in concert more. I'm tired of this adult maturity shit, talking about babies, etc.

"it's only rock and roll and i like it, like it, yes i do."

Why does everybody makes a problem of everything what Cobain did,
the poor motherfucker is dead, (don't really think it's a motherfocker:p).
He wrote and played great music in my opinion. Why don't you just forget Cobain WAS an asshole, cause I really think he was. Just listen to his music and think:
"this is cool:)" or "this is shit:(".

Like I said before: I agree Cobain was an asshole. I think Eddie is quite a nice person, isn't he? Well I like both guys, and don't know which I like most. They're pretty different in my opinion. But why should I care, I'm never going to meet Cobain (I know for sure) and I doubt I'm going to meet Eddie in person, so why should I care how nice they are/were?

Sorry if this all is bullshit.

catefrances wrote:

what do i reckon? i reckon it's not your place to 'forgive' cobain comments he directed at someone else.
and big woop that cobain dissed eddie and pj. hell, even i've done that and it's no big thing. the fact that he did it in the media is neither here nor there. if eddie had have been half the man you all take him to be, he would have fucked cobain up good for being a douche. instead he sat there and took it cause he knew deep down that cobain was right. oh sure you can say cobain's outburst should not have been dignified or legitimised with retorts from ed or anyone else pj related. but seriously, the hunger for success outweighed everything else including any residual integrity eddie possessed coming into seattle. you've all heard him whinge about shit he would have done differently. now we're all older(eddie too) it's all just irrelevant shit that has no real meaning to anything anymore. nor is it reflective(probably) of who eddie is as a person now. you're young, you say stupid shit, do dumbarse things. then you grow up and mature and look back and think what a dick you were. perhaps had cobain lived longer he would have come to the same conclusion. perhaps not.

Nice response Jethro. Cobain was a piece of garbage that thought he was "above" certain people. Its obvious that Ed was never completely comfortable in the public eye, but at least he had the balls to tough it out and not take the easy way out. I think Cobain realized his 15 minutes were up and he just could not handle it. Although he made good music, he proved he was a loser in the end.

releeseme wrote:

Nice response Jethro. Cobain was a piece of garbage that thought he was "above" certain people. Its obvious that Ed was never completely comfortable in the public eye, but at least he had the balls to tough it out and not take the easy way out. I think Cobain realized his 15 minutes were up and he just could not handle it. Although he made good music, he proved he was a loser in the end.

LMAO!!! the easy way out? that just goes to show how you have zero understanding or compassion for anyone who finds themselves in such a position. and no i don't mean the fame and all that bullshit, cause that's all that really is.
you seriously think that the fame was the major contributer to cobain's death? give me a fucking break.
if i had half the balls cobain had to do what he did, i'd be in a much better place.

I`m listening D-7
I love both band.
Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so it was just a friday night like any other, poker game at my place, i invited ed, stone, jeff & gave them an open invite to any of their mates they thought might like to play. ed bought kurt, stone & jeff dragged along mark arm, though it became apparent he absolutely no idea how to play...

courtney was there, but was more interested in the E! channel playing on tv (a special on how to make a $1m in under 5 sexual encounters) so just ending up being dealer, which was fine by us.

so we kick things off & mark arm starts losing money left right & centre, blaming his cards the whole time but almost instantly is the short stack. he goes outside for a ciggie to try & get a grasp on the situation. jeff follows him outside, kind of feeling responsible cos he asked him along. while out there jeff offers mark a loan, just to get him back in the game, but mark just unleashes! "i'm no fucking charity you fucken basketball singlet wearin muthafucker!!". he carries on "just because you & your bum-buddy stone are 'big cockstars' don't mean you can come shit on face & rub it in to my hair!" :eek:

jeff is dumdstruck....he walks inside without saying a word. stone goes out to see what the problem is.

meanwhile inside, i had gone to the kitchen to make us all a cup of tea, ed was rolling a joint & kurt was argueing with courtney to turn that corporate money making superstar raping shit off the tv (pimp my ride was playing on MTV). courtney starts getting all defensive, "we always watch what you wanna watch! fucken pimp my ride, antiques roadshow bullshit! im sick of this shit!". but it didn't stop there, she launches a full on attack at kurt! "you with your little cardies & ripped jeans, don't be such a fucken peasant!? you won't even let me buy a freakin hair brush or an unused needle for my heroin?! i mean, what the fuck you tight arsed cunt?!?!". "you won't even write my next album for me!? wanker"

then courtney delivered the killer....."why can't you be more like ed?!"

courtney's cellphone rings, she answers, "oh hi billy...."

i finish making the tea & go outside to ask mark & stone what biscuits they wanted & i walk straight into a dance off!!! mark's trying really hard to find his rhythm but is just getting his arse kicked by stones magnificently polished moves, so graceful yet totally dangerous. i last saw mark running down the street with his head in his hands sobbing. i turn to stone & asked what the heck those moves were???? he simply says, "that, my friend, was.... [he pauses, looks to mark in the distance for a second, returns his gaze to me] ....the duck walk". "oh, & do you have any of those little biscuits shaped like animals?" :cool:

nobody ever heard from mark again :(

inside all hell had broken loose. ed was fucken high as kite by this stage, saying something about the bees on the discovery channel, kurt was yelling at courtney, "you want me to more like this asshole?? the guy pumps freakin gas!". courtney puts her hand over the mouth piece of her phone & replies "well at least that asshole writes songs with more than 3 chords! and it wouldn't hurt to shower every once in a while you know!". she returns to her phone call from someone called billy "yeah i totally loved our dance the other night too....hey, you should write a couple of things for my new album!?"

kurt grabs her phone, "who the fuck is this?!"

"oh hi i'm billy, i'm a friend of courtneys"

"you're a dead muthafucker that's what you are!"

ed starts singing "billy & courtney up a tree....". jeff tells him to knock it off & takes a sip of his tea.

by this stage courtney's gone (& stolen some poker chips too while she was at it) screaming something about billy being a better lover & having nicer pants, kurt chases after her but he's too late. he goes back inside & asks ed for a ride in his truck but ed is WAY to fucked (he's stroking the neighbours cat, telling it that he'll never leave it, no matter how famous the cat gets) so jeff offers to give kurt a ride on the handlebars of his bike, kurt looks at him in bewilderment, "what so you stare at my butt crack the whole way?! you ain't getting me on that thing you fucken freakshow!" he pushes jeff out the way, "and this is MY basketball you cunt!". jeff gazes at his shoes in embarrassment

kurt runs out crying courtney's name & slams the door behind him :mad:

....and that's what happened all those years ago


thanks for letting me to finally tell my story, i hope it sheds some light on the whole situation
peace

leafs4ever wrote:

I must say itsevobaby, that was quite possibly the single greatest post that I have ever read in my life lol. It really was pretty entertaining, thanks.

I think number 2 best post ever.

The best is still the Boston Puke.

releeseme wrote:

I have no clue to what that guy was thinking, but it definately was not about his fans or most importantly his family. If you really think that what he did took balls, or that he is in a better place, or if you "had half the balls to do it" you would be for that matter then I really feel sorry for you.

fans? LMAO!!! oh no i can't end my miserable life because my fans will be so so sad. are you kidding me? pfft. :rolleyes:

you've got no idea whether he was thinking about his family or not. how the fuck could you? and i imagine, that his family took up a fair amount of his time whilst making up his mind whether to end his life. it's such a crock of shit to think people who commit suicide just do it blindly without any thought for those they leave behind. that somehow making such an absolute decision is easy.

and hey! don't feel sorry for me. i don't need to be thinking of your bullshit faux sincerity.

Jamie
Oh man thanks for your very honest views of Kurt.I couldnt agree more and its about time people lost the preciousness of not trully saying what they thought of Cobain and Nirvana.
I had heard rumblings about Nirvana 91 but was already into Soundgarden and Screaming Trees.I thought Nirvana were a bit dour but didnt mind them.
Heard P.J and was instantly hooked.
Ed was always able to keep his full respect for humanity and credit to the man for never publicly rising to Kurts (often ill thought out and no doubt goaded by that Nancy Spungen wannabe caustic mouthed souls sucker wife of his) diatribe against Ed and the rest of Pearl Jam.
I thought Nirvana were always just ok.Although Dave Grohl was ready for his time to come as I think the Foos are a fab band.
Pearl Jam always always had the edge and if Kurt hadnt done what he did to himself I truly doubt they would have had the career P.J have had.
I went to see the film "Kurt Cobain-About A Son" just last night at the Edinburgh Film Festival.Although it was an interesting concept (original audio conversations with Kurt between 2002 and 2003 played over many still photos of Aberdeen/Olympia and Seattle) it just confirmed to me what a winging ungrateful depressive man he truly was who sadly like many before him (Jim Morrison anyone?) iconic status was only sealed on his death.
Too many credit him with sole responsibilty for the sea change that was 90's music.Where in reality it takes many many people to create change Kurt and Nirvana were only one of many bands most of whom were much finer that held testimony to rock music being about emotion and change rather than sunset strip make-up and trashy lyrics.Yes Nirvana changed the music world but they didnt do it alone and to think so is misguided.
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