a little harsh dont you think? "a piece of garbage"......did you actually know the guy suffiently to draw this conclusion?
he had a wife & friends so I´d reckon he wasnt such an asshole all the time.
Ed had "the balls to tough it out" you say, like for fucks sake you make their lives sound torturous yet at any time Ed or Kurt coulda just taken off & lived a peaceful existence somewhere else, say like algeria or someplace. Im thankful that Ed has stuck it out though, bless him.
I say piece of garbage because he left his wife and daughter behind like a coward. IMO that is a piece of garbage. Ed was not comfortable in that place, yet he accepted it and is making great music. Where is Cobain? Oh yea he pussed out.
LMAO!!! the easy way out? that just goes to show how you have zero understanding or compassion for anyone who finds themselves in such a position. and no i don't mean the fame and all that bullshit, cause that's all that really is.
you seriously think that the fame was the major contributer to cobain's death? give me a fucking break.
if i had half the balls cobain had to do what he did, i'd be in a much better place.
I have no clue to what that guy was thinking, but it definately was not about his fans or most importantly his family. If you really think that what he did took balls, or that he is in a better place, or if you "had half the balls to do it" you would be for that matter then I really feel sorry for you.
so it was just a friday night like any other, poker game at my place, i invited ed, stone, jeff & gave them an open invite to any of their mates they thought might like to play. ed bought kurt, stone & jeff dragged along mark arm, though it became apparent he absolutely no idea how to play...
courtney was there, but was more interested in the E! channel playing on tv (a special on how to make a $1m in under 5 sexual encounters) so just ending up being dealer, which was fine by us.
so we kick things off & mark arm starts losing money left right & centre, blaming his cards the whole time but almost instantly is the short stack. he goes outside for a ciggie to try & get a grasp on the situation. jeff follows him outside, kind of feeling responsible cos he asked him along. while out there jeff offers mark a loan, just to get him back in the game, but mark just unleashes! "i'm no fucking charity you fucken basketball singlet wearin muthafucker!!". he carries on "just because you & your bum-buddy stone are 'big cockstars' don't mean you can come shit on face & rub it in to my hair!" :eek:
jeff is dumdstruck....he walks inside without saying a word. stone goes out to see what the problem is.
meanwhile inside, i had gone to the kitchen to make us all a cup of tea, ed was rolling a joint & kurt was argueing with courtney to turn that corporate money making superstar raping shit off the tv (pimp my ride was playing on MTV). courtney starts getting all defensive, "we always watch what you wanna watch! fucken pimp my ride, antiques roadshow bullshit! im sick of this shit!". but it didn't stop there, she launches a full on attack at kurt! "you with your little cardies & ripped jeans, don't be such a fucken peasant!? you won't even let me buy a freakin hair brush or an unused needle for my heroin?! i mean, what the fuck you tight arsed cunt?!?!". "you won't even write my next album for me!? wanker"
then courtney delivered the killer....."why can't you be more like ed?!"
courtney's cellphone rings, she answers, "oh hi billy...."
i finish making the tea & go outside to ask mark & stone what biscuits they wanted & i walk straight into a dance off!!! mark's trying really hard to find his rhythm but is just getting his arse kicked by stones magnificently polished moves, so graceful yet totally dangerous. i last saw mark running down the street with his head in his hands sobbing. i turn to stone & asked what the heck those moves were???? he simply says, "that, my friend, was.... [he pauses, looks to mark in the distance for a second, returns his gaze to me] ....the duck walk". "oh, & do you have any of those little biscuits shaped like animals?" :cool:
nobody ever heard from mark again :(
inside all hell had broken loose. ed was fucken high as kite by this stage, saying something about the bees on the discovery channel, kurt was yelling at courtney, "you want me to more like this asshole?? the guy pumps freakin gas!". courtney puts her hand over the mouth piece of her phone & replies "well at least that asshole writes songs with more than 3 chords! and it wouldn't hurt to shower every once in a while you know!". she returns to her phone call from someone called billy "yeah i totally loved our dance the other night too....hey, you should write a couple of things for my new album!?"
kurt grabs her phone, "who the fuck is this?!"
"oh hi i'm billy, i'm a friend of courtneys"
"you're a dead muthafucker that's what you are!"
ed starts singing "billy & courtney up a tree....". jeff tells him to knock it off & takes a sip of his tea.
by this stage courtney's gone (& stolen some poker chips too while she was at it) screaming something about billy being a better lover & having nicer pants, kurt chases after her but he's too late. he goes back inside & asks ed for a ride in his truck but ed is WAY to fucked (he's stroking the neighbours cat, telling it that he'll never leave it, no matter how famous the cat gets) so jeff offers to give kurt a ride on the handlebars of his bike, kurt looks at him in bewilderment, "what so you stare at my butt crack the whole way?! you ain't getting me on that thing you fucken freakshow!" he pushes jeff out the way, "and this is MY basketball you cunt!". jeff gazes at his shoes in embarrassment
kurt runs out crying courtney's name & slams the door behind him :mad:
....and that's what happened all those years ago
thanks for letting me to finally tell my story, i hope it sheds some light on the whole situation
peace
I must say itsevobaby, that was quite possibly the single greatest post that I have ever read in my life lol. It really was pretty entertaining, thanks.
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I must say itsevobaby, that was quite possibly the single greatest post that I have ever read in my life lol. It really was pretty entertaining, thanks.
I think number 2 best post ever.
The best is still the Boston Puke.
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I must say itsevobaby, that was quite possibly the single greatest post that I have ever read in my life lol. It really was pretty entertaining, thanks.
I have no clue to what that guy was thinking, but it definately was not about his fans or most importantly his family. If you really think that what he did took balls, or that he is in a better place, or if you "had half the balls to do it" you would be for that matter then I really feel sorry for you.
fans? LMAO!!! oh no i can't end my miserable life because my fans will be so so sad. are you kidding me? pfft. :rolleyes:
you've got no idea whether he was thinking about his family or not. how the fuck could you? and i imagine, that his family took up a fair amount of his time whilst making up his mind whether to end his life. it's such a crock of shit to think people who commit suicide just do it blindly without any thought for those they leave behind. that somehow making such an absolute decision is easy.
and hey! don't feel sorry for me. i don't need to be thinking of your bullshit faux sincerity.
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Gus Van Sant's Last Days is an admirable work that brings to light the environment of what might be the power of nothingness for a suicidal artist/philosopher.
If you're interested in seeing what that may have been like for Cobain, this is the movie to see.
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Oh man thanks for your very honest views of Kurt.I couldnt agree more and its about time people lost the preciousness of not trully saying what they thought of Cobain and Nirvana.
I had heard rumblings about Nirvana 91 but was already into Soundgarden and Screaming Trees.I thought Nirvana were a bit dour but didnt mind them.
Heard P.J and was instantly hooked.
Ed was always able to keep his full respect for humanity and credit to the man for never publicly rising to Kurts (often ill thought out and no doubt goaded by that Nancy Spungen wannabe caustic mouthed souls sucker wife of his) diatribe against Ed and the rest of Pearl Jam.
I thought Nirvana were always just ok.Although Dave Grohl was ready for his time to come as I think the Foos are a fab band.
Pearl Jam always always had the edge and if Kurt hadnt done what he did to himself I truly doubt they would have had the career P.J have had.
I went to see the film "Kurt Cobain-About A Son" just last night at the Edinburgh Film Festival.Although it was an interesting concept (original audio conversations with Kurt between 2002 and 2003 played over many still photos of Aberdeen/Olympia and Seattle) it just confirmed to me what a winging ungrateful depressive man he truly was who sadly like many before him (Jim Morrison anyone?) iconic status was only sealed on his death.
Too many credit him with sole responsibilty for the sea change that was 90's music.Where in reality it takes many many people to create change Kurt and Nirvana were only one of many bands most of whom were much finer that held testimony to rock music being about emotion and change rather than sunset strip make-up and trashy lyrics.Yes Nirvana changed the music world but they didnt do it alone and to think so is misguided.
Discuss?
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It seems a lot of you agree. I thought he was boring, ignorant, and worst of all a fucking snob! Didn't want certain people buying his records-what a pompous, judgemental asshole he really was. But as somebody said I should seperate the art from the artist, I'll tell you that I can, and I do like his records. I just didn't like reading that I shouldn't be allowed to like them because I also had Guns and Roses in my collection. And I saw them once, they weren't all that. Very over rated, good, just not as good as he seemed to think. Bye bye.juk
Pearl Jam always always had the edge and if Kurt hadnt done what he did to himself I truly doubt they would have had the career P.J have had.
ok, first of all, if nirvana had of continued, and grohl came in to his own as you said, they could have had some damn good records. Imagine the best of The colour and the Shape with some of kurt's material. Every nirvana record was great and different in it's own way, so i don't know how you could assume that pearl jam would have the longer/better career(even though binaural and riot act are both pretty weak offerings, and the S/T is a pretty bland attempt to bring the rock again).
Too many credit him with sole responsibility for the sea change that was 90's music.Where in reality it takes many many people to create change Kurt and Nirvana were only one of many bands most of whom were much finer that held testimony to rock music being about emotion and change rather than sunset strip make-up and trashy lyrics.Yes Nirvana changed the music world but they didnt do it alone and to think so is misguided.
Discuss?
Of course Nirvana didn't change it by itself, but they did manage to have the breakthough track and video to kill off the 80's shit, and lucky enough to have a record that backed it up. The media just focus on this because it needs a poster-boy to sell. Kurt was this poster-boy, and the fact that he killed himself only adds to this. It sucks that most people who bought into a trend forget that pearl jam are still putting out music, but who needs them? Pearl jam still have a devoted fan base, and I think the reason they give so much back is they respect the ones who stuck through with them, instead of buying into whatever the media shoves down their throats.
The one thing I will always respect kurt for was the fact he pushed a lot of great underground bands into the spotlight, and I know for myself, I wouldn't have heard so many great bands until much later in life. And I believe that Pearl Jam/Eddie have taken that from him as well, as they always seem to take great bands on tour with them, that they feel could use some exposure to a bigger audience. It's unfortunate that Kurt and Pearl Jam didn't have the chance to bury the hatchet, but I believe that they would have got along just fine now, and I think if kurt could see pearl jam now, surviving in a pretty shitty musical environment, he would have to be slightly jealous, as I think they have achieved what he would have wanted. sorry for the length......
Too many credit him with sole responsibility for the sea change that was 90's music.Where in reality it takes many many people to create change Kurt and Nirvana were only one of many bands most of whom were much finer that held testimony to rock music being about emotion and change rather than sunset strip make-up and trashy lyrics.Yes Nirvana changed the music world but they didnt do it alone and to think so is misguided.
Discuss?
Of course Nirvana didn't change it by itself, but they did manage to have the breakthough track and video to kill off the 80's shit, and lucky enough to have a record that backed it up. The media just focus on this because it needs a poster-boy to sell. Kurt was this poster-boy, and the fact that he killed himself only adds to this. It sucks that most people who bought into a trend forget that pearl jam are still putting out music, but who needs them? Pearl jam still have a devoted fan base, and I think the reason they give so much back is they respect the ones who stuck through with them, instead of buying into whatever the media shoves down their throats.
The one thing I will always respect kurt for was the fact he pushed a lot of great underground bands into the spotlight, and I know for myself, I wouldn't have heard so many great bands until much later in life. And I believe that Pearl Jam/Eddie have taken that from him as well, as they always seem to take great bands on tour with them, that they feel could use some exposure to a bigger audience. It's unfortunate that Kurt and Pearl Jam didn't have the chance to bury the hatchet, but I believe that they would have got along just fine now, and I think if kurt could see pearl jam now, surviving in a pretty shitty musical environment, he would have to be slightly jealous, as I think they have achieved what he would have wanted. sorry for the length......
fans? LMAO!!! oh no i can't end my miserable life because my fans will be so so sad. are you kidding me? pfft. :rolleyes:
you've got no idea whether he was thinking about his family or not. how the fuck could you? and i imagine, that his family took up a fair amount of his time whilst making up his mind whether to end his life. it's such a crock of shit to think people who commit suicide just do it blindly without any thought for those they leave behind. that somehow making such an absolute decision is easy.
and hey! don't feel sorry for me. i don't need to be thinking of your bullshit faux sincerity.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I say he was a loser you say hero.
Its not faux sincerity, its just plain honesty...
I really don't give fuck what the guy was thinking. He was obvoiusly a very weak minded person. Alot of people who are hardcore drug addicts are. He had more than most people will never have a fraction of and he put a shotgun to his head and pulled the trigger. Put him on a pedastool all you want, but I think that is just fuckin pitiful.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I say he was a loser you say hero.
Its not faux sincerity, its just plain honesty...
I really don't give fuck what the guy was thinking. He was obvoiusly a very weak minded person. Alot of people who are hardcore drug addicts are. He had more than most people will never have a fraction of and he put a shotgun to his head and pulled the trigger. Put him on a pedastool all you want, but I think that is just fuckin pitiful.
i've never said cobain was a hero. and never have i held kurt cobain up to be one. i have never put cobain on a pedestal. sure nirvana are my fave band but it's about the music not the tragic bullshit that went on behind the scenes. always has been, always will be.
and just so you know the only two people i vaguely put on a pedestal(for want of a better word) are MLK and henry rollins.
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My abiding memory of Kurt was him moaning in interviews, and pretending he liked Shonen Knife, who were as horrible as Clive James in stockings and suspenders.
Then he died, and shops in Sunderland that usually sold poor quality posters of East 17 and Take That had a couple of Kurts in their window.
Jeez, Fins.
???
Kurt was not a well balanced person. His suicide demonstrates that clearly.
If you recall, Eddie used to whine and moan a LOT in interviews too (mostly about how horrible being famous it... remember?) ... again, he wasn't exactly in the greatest frame of mind coming off a not-so-jolly child hood ... well, i reckon kurt had it a bit worse off, and probably suffered more imbalance because of it (and arguably by his inate being, his nature, as well) ...
kurt was a horrible addict, a rather immature person (as evidenced by a good few of his journal writings), a tortured soul, and as imperfect a being as one could find ...
... but you know what?
kurt was beautiful too.
he spoke so softly yet gave voice to so many...
and despite his antics, and his unfortunate musings about eddie, and his untimely demise ... despite all that, he really just wanted everyone to be well ... and it's a shame he couldn't achieve that himself, and its ashame he couldn't believe that the fans would let him just be well, and its ashame people still can't let him just be well ...
clearly people like eddie and michael stipe recognize that ... the idea that kurt could be a beautiful human, a flawed human, and a person that desperately needed help (though too late did they recognize this) ...
why can't people just accept these truths.
kurt was part of a movement that, even when it was at odds with itself, was a movement of hope joy and empowerment for a whole generation ... don't get so jaded that you can't remember how great it felt to see those bands on top of the world and leading a generation to question authority, the status quo, the mainstream media, and the politics of power.
remember that what became mainstream really never was meant to be as such, and only after the fact, once it had exploded in everyones face ... only then did it become so easy to criticize ...
kurt played because he had too.
it was in him. it is what woke him and what in the end put him to bed.
and, for the record, Rock Animals by Shonen Knife is pure musical bliss. Shonen Knife are a fun quirky band that take a nod from The Ramones and add their little japanese quirks and girlish ways to the fray. They are also a band that occasionaly write a song that can move you to the core ... listen to "Music Square" for example.
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OK, I said it 'out loud'. But I remember it like this... I heard Nirvana in 1991, thought they were very special. I heard PJ early 1992, instantly I preffered what they did-more rock than punk, but every bit as special. I still loved Nirvana, but Cobain went on that anti-PJ thing for ages, and he got right up my fuckin nose. I didn't even buy a ticket for the gig sheduled at Cardiff in 1994, I'd seen them allready and wasn't feeling the need to see the whingeing fucker again. He dissed Ed so much in the press, I ended up really disliking the tosser. I still loved his records, still do -even tho' they aint as good as PJ's- yet I thought he became a right fanny. I know Ed forgave him, but I wouldn't have-and indeeed I haven't really. I still think of him as a great artist who offered so much, yet counteracted his vision with his 'blinkered and judgemental' views and opinions of others. I couldn't stand the sight of the prick and his PJ moans by the time he did what he did! Sorry to Ed, I know you accepted his apology-but I didn't, and I thought in 92 as I do now, that Pearl Jam are a finer band than Nirvana-and it's been proven I reckon, so screw him!!.
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i personally think eddie vedder is the coolest dude from all the 90's... kurt cobain did kinda annoy me with his flamboyant attitude... and everything was about doom ang gloom for him.
eddie wasn't like that... he was a lot cooler. but i don't know about the whole political side of eddie though, that kinda annoys me. i mean yeah sure, bush sucks. but i don't see why we'd have to listen to songs about bush.... that's why i'm not into pearl jam's new album. :(
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I'll never get why people like Nirvana over the likes of PJ Soundgarden or AIC, it really blows my mind. The other three for me are on a level that is so far away from Nirvana.
I'll never get why people like Nirvana over the likes of PJ Soundgarden or AIC, it really blows my mind. The other three for me are on a level that is so far away from Nirvana.
Different strokes for different blokes, mate.
For arguments sake, at least Nirvana's last album didn't suck like AIC's last album.
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Here's my last thoughts on this. A few have said positive stuff about Kurt, fair enough points, but I always say do whatever you like-and as long as it doesn't hurt others, it's not a problem.
That's where Kurt let himself down, he expressed his dissatisfaction with other people, and what they did. Unprovoked, he would pass judgement on individuals, and individual groups of people. There's no need, never a need for it, and he let himself down so much by doing so.Yes he was a moaning bastard, I even once saw an interview where he was moaning about taking heroin was really boring!!! Don't fuckin bother spending thousands of $$ on the stuff everyday then, I thought-I got the magazine interview where he's moaning he doesn't want fans of Guns and Roses to buy his records-I mean he signed to the same label as them for crying out loud.
And as a foot note, I get fed up with Ed's politics a bit, yes Bush is an arse, yes war is wrong, yes a lot of stuff...but when you're a rich rock star I reckon it's very easy to have idealist views, and very easy to take swipes at people in politics.Personally I wouldn't give any politician the time of day, whoever they may be, or whatever they profess to believe. They all lie, tell you what you want to hear just to get votes, career politicians the lot of them-not a noble soul to be found in their midst these days.
(judgemental, moi? surely not) juk
I'll never get why people like Nirvana over the likes of PJ Soundgarden or AIC, it really blows my mind. The other three for me are on a level that is so far away from Nirvana.
eeesh.... well, i don't know about that.
i think it's the other way around. sg, pj and aic all have the same... uhhhmmm... what do you call it... uhh, i dunno... i guess what i'm trying to say is that those three bands will actually put like a long solo somewhere in a song. as for nirvana, well, they're more punk... i really love that bleach album.... i think it's their best album and most beloved by the "indie" freaks. i think.... their songs are less "complicated" than the other 3 grunge bands. all that nirvana was in it for was just to put on a killer hard rock song and kick ass with it.... milk it, for instance, is probably my favorite nirvana song just cause it's so creative, fun and raw all at once.
nirvana is a great band indeed. i'd say their my favorite grunge band.... but i don't know, it's hard to tell.
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Here's my last thoughts on this. A few have said positive stuff about Kurt, fair enough points, but I always say do whatever you like-and as long as it doesn't hurt others, it's not a problem.
That's where Kurt let himself down, he expressed his dissatisfaction with other people, and what they did. Unprovoked, he would pass judgement on individuals, and individual groups of people. There's no need, never a need for it, and he let himself down so much by doing so.Yes he was a moaning bastard, I even once saw an interview where he was moaning about taking heroin was really boring!!! Don't fuckin bother spending thousands of $$ on the stuff everyday then, I thought-I got the magazine interview where he's moaning he doesn't want fans of Guns and Roses to buy his records-I mean he signed to the same label as them for crying out loud.
And as a foot note, I get fed up with Ed's politics a bit, yes Bush is an arse, yes war is wrong, yes a lot of stuff...but when you're a rich rock star I reckon it's very easy to have idealist views, and very easy to take swipes at people in politics.Personally I wouldn't give any politician the time of day, whoever they may be, or whatever they profess to believe. They all lie, tell you what you want to hear just to get votes, career politicians the lot of them-not a noble soul to be found in their midst these days.
(judgemental, moi? surely not) juk
OMG jamie, how much do you listen to ed that you get sick of hearing his politics?
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OMG jamie, how much do you listen to ed that you get sick of hearing his politics?
Hi Cate, look I'm off to work in a minute, but don't worry I'm not an Eddie groupie-but I love the band and now and again I'm listening to a bootleg, or something, and he goes off on one and I think "oh give it a rest man", I've thought the same thing whilst watching Robert Plant before now-he can be as bad. I'm not sure anyone who appears on the Times Rich List can hold realistic political views-or is that me being judgemental? I'll pm you an apology, I didn't realise Kurt was your top man. Right I'm off.juk
Hi Cate, look I'm off to work in a minute, but don't worry I'm not an Eddie groupie-but I love the band and now and again I'm listening to a bootleg, or something, and he goes off on one and I think "oh give it a rest man", I've thought the same thing whilst watching Robert Plant before now-he can be as bad. I'm not sure anyone who appears on the Times Rich List can hold realistic political views-or is that me being judgemental? I'll pm you an apology, I didn't realise Kurt was your top man. Right I'm off.juk
you didn't read my posts at all did you?
nirvana are my fave band. that does not make kurt my top man. see post #45. no apology necessary jamie.
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Kurt was not a well balanced person. His suicide demonstrates that clearly.
If you recall, Eddie used to whine and moan a LOT in interviews too (mostly about how horrible being famous it... remember?) ... again, he wasn't exactly in the greatest frame of mind coming off a not-so-jolly child hood ... well, i reckon kurt had it a bit worse off, and probably suffered more imbalance because of it (and arguably by his inate being, his nature, as well) ...
kurt was a horrible addict, a rather immature person (as evidenced by a good few of his journal writings), a tortured soul, and as imperfect a being as one could find ...
... but you know what?
kurt was beautiful too.
he spoke so softly yet gave voice to so many...
and despite his antics, and his unfortunate musings about eddie, and his untimely demise ... despite all that, he really just wanted everyone to be well ... and it's a shame he couldn't achieve that himself, and its ashame he couldn't believe that the fans would let him just be well, and its ashame people still can't let him just be well ...
clearly people like eddie and michael stipe recognize that ... the idea that kurt could be a beautiful human, a flawed human, and a person that desperately needed help (though too late did they recognize this) ...
why can't people just accept these truths.
kurt was part of a movement that, even when it was at odds with itself, was a movement of hope joy and empowerment for a whole generation ... don't get so jaded that you can't remember how great it felt to see those bands on top of the world and leading a generation to question authority, the status quo, the mainstream media, and the politics of power.
remember that what became mainstream really never was meant to be as such, and only after the fact, once it had exploded in everyones face ... only then did it become so easy to criticize ...
kurt played because he had too.
it was in him. it is what woke him and what in the end put him to bed.
and, for the record, Rock Animals by Shonen Knife is pure musical bliss. Shonen Knife are a fun quirky band that take a nod from The Ramones and add their little japanese quirks and girlish ways to the fray. They are also a band that occasionaly write a song that can move you to the core ... listen to "Music Square" for example.
Yeah, but I hated his music too. I hate most heavy rock, bar Hendrix and PJ.
- married a bitch
- used heroin
- abondoned his child
- talked shit on other bands in interviews
- was a great songwriter but not a virtuoso at any instrument
So, what's the fucking difference?
Aw...Kurt made fun of Pearl Jam once. How dare he.
I'm posting to ask the people who are shitting on Cobain for his suicide what makes them so sure?
There is no way a verdict of suicide could be called on that case if it were taken up by a competant police department.
It really gets to me because of how it affects Kurt's legacy and how some nirvana fans go down the road of copycat suicides because there is no conclusive evidence that it was suicide.
i bought the nirvana box set awhile ago.....it really made me realize they are quite a shitty band. even the songs i liked i thought they were still shitty. i regret spending like 70 bucks on that.
i've never said cobain was a hero. and never have i held kurt cobain up to be one. i have never put cobain on a pedestal. sure nirvana are my fave band but it's about the music not the tragic bullshit that went on behind the scenes. always has been, always will be.
and just so you know the only two people i vaguely put on a pedestal(for want of a better word) are MLK and henry rollins.
Its all good. I really liked Nirvana back in the day. I guess I just hate how it all turned out. Such a waste of talent...
Well... if you were around in 1991 when 'Nevermind' broke through... you understand the reasons WHY it broke through. Regardless of what anyone feels about Kurt Cobain... personally or otherwise (put me down for 'otherwise' because I did not know Kurt Cobain, personally)... you cannot discount the effect that Nirvana had on kids in America (and other places in the world) in 1991.
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I say piece of garbage because he left his wife and daughter behind like a coward. IMO that is a piece of garbage. Ed was not comfortable in that place, yet he accepted it and is making great music. Where is Cobain? Oh yea he pussed out.
I have no clue to what that guy was thinking, but it definately was not about his fans or most importantly his family. If you really think that what he did took balls, or that he is in a better place, or if you "had half the balls to do it" you would be for that matter then I really feel sorry for you.
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courtney was there, but was more interested in the E! channel playing on tv (a special on how to make a $1m in under 5 sexual encounters) so just ending up being dealer, which was fine by us.
so we kick things off & mark arm starts losing money left right & centre, blaming his cards the whole time but almost instantly is the short stack. he goes outside for a ciggie to try & get a grasp on the situation. jeff follows him outside, kind of feeling responsible cos he asked him along. while out there jeff offers mark a loan, just to get him back in the game, but mark just unleashes! "i'm no fucking charity you fucken basketball singlet wearin muthafucker!!". he carries on "just because you & your bum-buddy stone are 'big cockstars' don't mean you can come shit on face & rub it in to my hair!" :eek:
jeff is dumdstruck....he walks inside without saying a word. stone goes out to see what the problem is.
meanwhile inside, i had gone to the kitchen to make us all a cup of tea, ed was rolling a joint & kurt was argueing with courtney to turn that corporate money making superstar raping shit off the tv (pimp my ride was playing on MTV). courtney starts getting all defensive, "we always watch what you wanna watch! fucken pimp my ride, antiques roadshow bullshit! im sick of this shit!". but it didn't stop there, she launches a full on attack at kurt! "you with your little cardies & ripped jeans, don't be such a fucken peasant!? you won't even let me buy a freakin hair brush or an unused needle for my heroin?! i mean, what the fuck you tight arsed cunt?!?!". "you won't even write my next album for me!? wanker"
then courtney delivered the killer....."why can't you be more like ed?!"
courtney's cellphone rings, she answers, "oh hi billy...."
i finish making the tea & go outside to ask mark & stone what biscuits they wanted & i walk straight into a dance off!!! mark's trying really hard to find his rhythm but is just getting his arse kicked by stones magnificently polished moves, so graceful yet totally dangerous. i last saw mark running down the street with his head in his hands sobbing. i turn to stone & asked what the heck those moves were???? he simply says, "that, my friend, was.... [he pauses, looks to mark in the distance for a second, returns his gaze to me] ....the duck walk". "oh, & do you have any of those little biscuits shaped like animals?" :cool:
nobody ever heard from mark again :(
inside all hell had broken loose. ed was fucken high as kite by this stage, saying something about the bees on the discovery channel, kurt was yelling at courtney, "you want me to more like this asshole?? the guy pumps freakin gas!". courtney puts her hand over the mouth piece of her phone & replies "well at least that asshole writes songs with more than 3 chords! and it wouldn't hurt to shower every once in a while you know!". she returns to her phone call from someone called billy "yeah i totally loved our dance the other night too....hey, you should write a couple of things for my new album!?"
kurt grabs her phone, "who the fuck is this?!"
"oh hi i'm billy, i'm a friend of courtneys"
"you're a dead muthafucker that's what you are!"
ed starts singing "billy & courtney up a tree....". jeff tells him to knock it off & takes a sip of his tea.
by this stage courtney's gone (& stolen some poker chips too while she was at it) screaming something about billy being a better lover & having nicer pants, kurt chases after her but he's too late. he goes back inside & asks ed for a ride in his truck but ed is WAY to fucked (he's stroking the neighbours cat, telling it that he'll never leave it, no matter how famous the cat gets) so jeff offers to give kurt a ride on the handlebars of his bike, kurt looks at him in bewilderment, "what so you stare at my butt crack the whole way?! you ain't getting me on that thing you fucken freakshow!" he pushes jeff out the way, "and this is MY basketball you cunt!". jeff gazes at his shoes in embarrassment
kurt runs out crying courtney's name & slams the door behind him :mad:
....and that's what happened all those years ago
thanks for letting me to finally tell my story, i hope it sheds some light on the whole situation
peace
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09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
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fans? LMAO!!! oh no i can't end my miserable life because my fans will be so so sad. are you kidding me? pfft. :rolleyes:
you've got no idea whether he was thinking about his family or not. how the fuck could you? and i imagine, that his family took up a fair amount of his time whilst making up his mind whether to end his life. it's such a crock of shit to think people who commit suicide just do it blindly without any thought for those they leave behind. that somehow making such an absolute decision is easy.
and hey! don't feel sorry for me. i don't need to be thinking of your bullshit faux sincerity.
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If you're interested in seeing what that may have been like for Cobain, this is the movie to see.
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Oh man thanks for your very honest views of Kurt.I couldnt agree more and its about time people lost the preciousness of not trully saying what they thought of Cobain and Nirvana.
I had heard rumblings about Nirvana 91 but was already into Soundgarden and Screaming Trees.I thought Nirvana were a bit dour but didnt mind them.
Heard P.J and was instantly hooked.
Ed was always able to keep his full respect for humanity and credit to the man for never publicly rising to Kurts (often ill thought out and no doubt goaded by that Nancy Spungen wannabe caustic mouthed souls sucker wife of his) diatribe against Ed and the rest of Pearl Jam.
I thought Nirvana were always just ok.Although Dave Grohl was ready for his time to come as I think the Foos are a fab band.
Pearl Jam always always had the edge and if Kurt hadnt done what he did to himself I truly doubt they would have had the career P.J have had.
I went to see the film "Kurt Cobain-About A Son" just last night at the Edinburgh Film Festival.Although it was an interesting concept (original audio conversations with Kurt between 2002 and 2003 played over many still photos of Aberdeen/Olympia and Seattle) it just confirmed to me what a winging ungrateful depressive man he truly was who sadly like many before him (Jim Morrison anyone?) iconic status was only sealed on his death.
Too many credit him with sole responsibilty for the sea change that was 90's music.Where in reality it takes many many people to create change Kurt and Nirvana were only one of many bands most of whom were much finer that held testimony to rock music being about emotion and change rather than sunset strip make-up and trashy lyrics.Yes Nirvana changed the music world but they didnt do it alone and to think so is misguided.
Discuss?
Discuss? You've just said it all for me.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I say he was a loser you say hero.
Its not faux sincerity, its just plain honesty...
I really don't give fuck what the guy was thinking. He was obvoiusly a very weak minded person. Alot of people who are hardcore drug addicts are. He had more than most people will never have a fraction of and he put a shotgun to his head and pulled the trigger. Put him on a pedastool all you want, but I think that is just fuckin pitiful.
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i've never said cobain was a hero. and never have i held kurt cobain up to be one. i have never put cobain on a pedestal. sure nirvana are my fave band but it's about the music not the tragic bullshit that went on behind the scenes. always has been, always will be.
and just so you know the only two people i vaguely put on a pedestal(for want of a better word) are MLK and henry rollins.
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Jeez, Fins.
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Kurt was not a well balanced person. His suicide demonstrates that clearly.
If you recall, Eddie used to whine and moan a LOT in interviews too (mostly about how horrible being famous it... remember?) ... again, he wasn't exactly in the greatest frame of mind coming off a not-so-jolly child hood ... well, i reckon kurt had it a bit worse off, and probably suffered more imbalance because of it (and arguably by his inate being, his nature, as well) ...
kurt was a horrible addict, a rather immature person (as evidenced by a good few of his journal writings), a tortured soul, and as imperfect a being as one could find ...
... but you know what?
kurt was beautiful too.
he spoke so softly yet gave voice to so many...
and despite his antics, and his unfortunate musings about eddie, and his untimely demise ... despite all that, he really just wanted everyone to be well ... and it's a shame he couldn't achieve that himself, and its ashame he couldn't believe that the fans would let him just be well, and its ashame people still can't let him just be well ...
clearly people like eddie and michael stipe recognize that ... the idea that kurt could be a beautiful human, a flawed human, and a person that desperately needed help (though too late did they recognize this) ...
why can't people just accept these truths.
kurt was part of a movement that, even when it was at odds with itself, was a movement of hope joy and empowerment for a whole generation ... don't get so jaded that you can't remember how great it felt to see those bands on top of the world and leading a generation to question authority, the status quo, the mainstream media, and the politics of power.
remember that what became mainstream really never was meant to be as such, and only after the fact, once it had exploded in everyones face ... only then did it become so easy to criticize ...
kurt played because he had too.
it was in him. it is what woke him and what in the end put him to bed.
and, for the record, Rock Animals by Shonen Knife is pure musical bliss. Shonen Knife are a fun quirky band that take a nod from The Ramones and add their little japanese quirks and girlish ways to the fray. They are also a band that occasionaly write a song that can move you to the core ... listen to "Music Square" for example.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
eddie wasn't like that... he was a lot cooler. but i don't know about the whole political side of eddie though, that kinda annoys me. i mean yeah sure, bush sucks. but i don't see why we'd have to listen to songs about bush.... that's why i'm not into pearl jam's new album. :(
Different strokes for different blokes, mate.
For arguments sake, at least Nirvana's last album didn't suck like AIC's last album.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
That's where Kurt let himself down, he expressed his dissatisfaction with other people, and what they did. Unprovoked, he would pass judgement on individuals, and individual groups of people. There's no need, never a need for it, and he let himself down so much by doing so.Yes he was a moaning bastard, I even once saw an interview where he was moaning about taking heroin was really boring!!! Don't fuckin bother spending thousands of $$ on the stuff everyday then, I thought-I got the magazine interview where he's moaning he doesn't want fans of Guns and Roses to buy his records-I mean he signed to the same label as them for crying out loud.
And as a foot note, I get fed up with Ed's politics a bit, yes Bush is an arse, yes war is wrong, yes a lot of stuff...but when you're a rich rock star I reckon it's very easy to have idealist views, and very easy to take swipes at people in politics.Personally I wouldn't give any politician the time of day, whoever they may be, or whatever they profess to believe. They all lie, tell you what you want to hear just to get votes, career politicians the lot of them-not a noble soul to be found in their midst these days.
(judgemental, moi? surely not) juk
i think it's the other way around. sg, pj and aic all have the same... uhhhmmm... what do you call it... uhh, i dunno... i guess what i'm trying to say is that those three bands will actually put like a long solo somewhere in a song. as for nirvana, well, they're more punk... i really love that bleach album.... i think it's their best album and most beloved by the "indie" freaks. i think.... their songs are less "complicated" than the other 3 grunge bands. all that nirvana was in it for was just to put on a killer hard rock song and kick ass with it.... milk it, for instance, is probably my favorite nirvana song just cause it's so creative, fun and raw all at once.
nirvana is a great band indeed. i'd say their my favorite grunge band.... but i don't know, it's hard to tell.
OMG jamie, how much do you listen to ed that you get sick of hearing his politics?
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you didn't read my posts at all did you?
nirvana are my fave band. that does not make kurt my top man. see post #45. no apology necessary jamie.
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Yeah, but I hated his music too. I hate most heavy rock, bar Hendrix and PJ.
- married a bitch
- used heroin
- abondoned his child
- talked shit on other bands in interviews
- was a great songwriter but not a virtuoso at any instrument
So, what's the fucking difference?
Aw...Kurt made fun of Pearl Jam once. How dare he.
Whiney little babies...
I'm posting to ask the people who are shitting on Cobain for his suicide what makes them so sure?
There is no way a verdict of suicide could be called on that case if it were taken up by a competant police department.
It really gets to me because of how it affects Kurt's legacy and how some nirvana fans go down the road of copycat suicides because there is no conclusive evidence that it was suicide.
Dead men dont pull triggers.
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Its all good. I really liked Nirvana back in the day. I guess I just hate how it all turned out. Such a waste of talent...
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i agree it couldn't have turned out worse and it was a waste of talent. but you know what? it wasn't my life. shit happens, people deal.
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Hail, Hail!!!