Cobain was a wingeing prick!!

marker_in_the_sand

chris01 wrote:

His lyric's mean more to me than Eddie Vedder's, i aint looking for an arguement on it, just how i feel. lol.

I'm afraid I must agree with that:)

markymark550

#X. wrote:

Hey, how you doing? I am new to the message pit, and haven't learned all the technique, please bear with my virginity so to say. I had written a comment about Jeff Ament and Mark Arm' relationship, and you had replied "not aware of any discontent? Are you serious?" Well i hate to be wrong, so i always am doing research, and must confess i am wrong, but maybe only. I looked through Wikpedia, and a great book LOSER: The Real Seattle Music Story by Clark Humphrey. So here goes what i foundout.
Yes, there is mention that Jeff Ament was seen as a careerist. Steve Turner quit Green River in August 1985. He said that he was not in agreement with Jeff Ament and Stone Gossards growing dream of arena stardom. In 1985 Mark McLauglin aka Mark Arm was reluctant to get serious about fame and fortune, and left. Among factors was Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard suggestion that Mark Arm take voice lessons. (That would piss me off). Although Mark Arm
saw Ament/Gossard as careerist, Ament/Gossard had jobs and had to support themselves, while Arm was supported by his parents. Later Arm would
sign with a major label (Mudhoney), leaving everyone to wonder why.
Wikpedia say Gossard/Ament quit the band, while opposite in the Loser book.
The Loser says that in 1993 while at the Gorge with Neil Young, Mark Arm joined with Pearl Jam for a rendition of Mudhoneys "Suck you dry." While Wikpedia states November 30, 1993 Mark Arm joined Pearl Jam while in Las Vegas to "Swallow my Pride" and "Ain't Nothing to Do." SO please if you have additional information, please let me know, kinda following up with the incestness of Seattle music is my thing. Also i did not know this before, Cobain had three male family members commit suicide, i've heard it can run in families. Just a thought. Later #X.

welcome to the board

always take anything from wikipedia with a grain of salt....

But basically, two things in Green River caused a rift between the members. The first is the mainstream (Gossard, Ament) vs. non-commercial (Arm, Turner) direction for the band. The second is that Gossard and Ament were more favorable to the heavier sounding, hard rock riffs that you later see in Pearl Jam while Arm and Turner were partial to a more pure punk sound. Those things caused some discontent and pretty much caused a rift between the Arm/Turner and Ament/Gossard that lasted throughout the 80s and into the 90s. Every published book/article I've ever read states that those reasons for the rift and that Turner quit first and then Arm quit, eventually joining back up with Turner to form Mudhoney. Eventually, they all buried the hatchet though.

bharQ

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/396241

direwolf74

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Jeez, Fins.
???

Kurt was not a well balanced person. His suicide demonstrates that clearly.

If you recall, Eddie used to whine and moan a LOT in interviews too (mostly about how horrible being famous it... remember?) ... again, he wasn't exactly in the greatest frame of mind coming off a not-so-jolly child hood ... well, i reckon kurt had it a bit worse off, and probably suffered more imbalance because of it (and arguably by his inate being, his nature, as well) ...

kurt was a horrible addict, a rather immature person (as evidenced by a good few of his journal writings), a tortured soul, and as imperfect a being as one could find ...

... but you know what?

kurt was beautiful too.
he spoke so softly yet gave voice to so many...

and despite his antics, and his unfortunate musings about eddie, and his untimely demise ... despite all that, he really just wanted everyone to be well ... and it's a shame he couldn't achieve that himself, and its ashame he couldn't believe that the fans would let him just be well, and its ashame people still can't let him just be well ...

clearly people like eddie and michael stipe recognize that ... the idea that kurt could be a beautiful human, a flawed human, and a person that desperately needed help (though too late did they recognize this) ...

why can't people just accept these truths.
kurt was part of a movement that, even when it was at odds with itself, was a movement of hope joy and empowerment for a whole generation ... don't get so jaded that you can't remember how great it felt to see those bands on top of the world and leading a generation to question authority, the status quo, the mainstream media, and the politics of power.

remember that what became mainstream really never was meant to be as such, and only after the fact, once it had exploded in everyones face ... only then did it become so easy to criticize ...

kurt played because he had too.
it was in him. it is what woke him and what in the end put him to bed.

What he said.

PearlJamaholic

Kann wrote:

Comparing Ten to good charlotte's first album (whatever it's called) is kinda stupid

i didnt compare any albums. read again. i did mention being popular on mtv.

catefrances

lars wrote:

No way....it was courtneys conspiracy

you people give courtney love way too much credit. :rolleyes:

#X.

I really am appreciative of your response. It too bad, that any style of beautiful music, can also have dysfunction. Kind of like religion, Hey.
#X. p.s. i am partial to heavy riffs and screaming vocals.

Kann

PearlJamaholic wrote:

i didnt compare any albums. read again. i did mention being popular on mtv.

The way I see it is that Eddie bashing Good charlotte is legitimate, they do sound like shit. That's why I spoke about the albums.
Concerning media coverage, that is definitely immature.

nickcat0

chris01 wrote:

His lyric's mean more to me than Eddie Vedder's, i aint looking for an arguement on it, just how i feel. lol.

A mulatto ,
An albino ,
A mosquito ,
My libido ,
Yay .

This means something to you ? lol

Innocent_Bystander

Who's being a whiny prick now?

jamie uk

Innocent_Bystander wrote:

Who's being a whiny prick now?

Oh dear. I promised I wouldn't call back here, but I did and I found you. You're about one sentence away from saying nanananana!
Kurt was a bloody musical snob, of course he was talented, any fool knows that, but the over riding memory is the whining. He didn't stick around long enough to fulfil his potential, maybe he would have had a long and illustrious career-mind judging from 1 naff, 1 great, and the 1 erm- patchy record that makes up his legacy then perhaps he wouldn't have, but who knows? Let's leave it eh, or I'll get my dad to beat up your dad. juk

reznors edge

Since I'm new here, I just want to go on record by saying that I love Kurt and miss his music so much. So it pains me to see threads like these that just berate him. I still think of him and observe his birthdays and April5th. He would have been 40 years old last Feb20. Still younger than many of todays icons. Obviously, he didn't get to fulfill his potential and make his greatest works. So comparisons to others are useless. It's like if Trent Reznor had taken himself out before making DownwardSpiral or Eddie before Ten. We'll never know what we've lost. Terrible shame.

I wish he would have just dissapeared on a 5 year hiatus and gotten himself clean, divorced, healthy or whatever and come back strong with a new musical project. Instead of this silly Morrison-like tragic figure that stupid kids have Tshirts of. Love you always, Kurt.

journeyman

whingeing?