Led Zeppelin vs Pear Jam

webberf1 · April 2007

Pearl Jam. I love Led Zeppelin, but it doesnt quite hit me like PJ.

Led Zeppelin no doubt had overall superior musicianship, but i think PJ have become the better overall BAND, and thats what matters. PJ have been consistently awesome throughout their career, unlike LZ who dropped off majorly towards the end until they split up. They say the greatest test of all is the test of time, and i think PJ passes that test ahead of LZ. And lets face it, PJ have a far more diverse catalogue than LZ ever did.

rage333 · April 2007

AS much as I love PJ, I would have to give this to Led Zeppelin.

azwyldcats · April 2007

Kind of a silly premise...

surferdude · April 2007

Twatay wrote:

when was mother love bone ever established in mainstream music????

MLB was pretty much hair metal in the hayday of hair metal bands. The label was shocked that Apple did not sell millions. They were a big signing at the time. Stone and Ament helped write every MLB song. The label knew exactly what they were getting when signing PJ. PJ was Stone's band back then.

Can anyone explain to me how PJ's music is diverse. LZ stuck to rock with outside influences. PJ has way fewer outside influences, at least that I hear.

yosi1 · April 2007

SLH916 wrote:

Do you consider Led Zeppelin more revolutionary than Black Sabbath? Or maybe The Who? I CAN SEE FOR MILES was pretty transformative.

Would you still choose late Zep?

I think that both those bands are also incredibly influential, and The Who are one of my all time favorites. Personal preference, I like Zeppelin more. To say they are better is like choosing apples and oranges.

It's hard for me to say as much about Sabbath. I think they are incredibly important, as far as hard rock goes, and definitely a talented band. I think because they were not as main stream or as big as Zeppelin was (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no historian, and didn't live through it), that their influence wasn't felt as greatly as Zeppelin's.

Matty Boy · April 2007

The only band that has come close to Zeppelin since Zeppelin quit is Guns N' Roses. They are the only band who has had the same sort of style, musical prowess, and charisma. Unfortunately for GnR there singer turned into a recluse hermit, but we'll always have "Appetite For Destruction". Pearl Jam just doesn't have that classic combo of Axl/Slash and Page/Plant. Pearl Jam is Eddie Vedder to the general public. Stone and Mike just don't have that special thing that Slash and Page have. Pearl Jam is sort of like The Doors in a way as both bands singers are the stars of the band.

laudenum · April 2007

Matty Boy wrote:

The only band that has come close to Zeppelin since Zeppelin quit is Guns N' Roses. They are the only band who has had the same sort of style, musical prowess, and charisma. Unfortunately for GnR there singer turned into a recluse hermit, but we'll always have "Appetite For Destruction". Pearl Jam just doesn't have that classic combo of Axl/Slash and Page/Plant. Pearl Jam is Eddie Vedder to the general public. Stone and Mike just don't have that special thing that Slash and Page have. Pearl Jam is sort of like The Doors in a way as both bands singers are the stars of the band.

oh god...gnr was the worst. shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breath as pj. selfindulgent crap.

SLH916 · April 2007

yosi wrote:

I think that both those bands are also incredibly influential, and The Who are one of my all time favorites. Personal preference, I like Zeppelin more. To say they are better is like choosing apples and oranges.

It's hard for me to say as much about Sabbath. I think they are incredibly important, as far as hard rock goes, and definitely a talented band. I think because they were not as main stream or as big as Zeppelin was (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no historian, and didn't live through it), that their influence wasn't felt as greatly as Zeppelin's.

It's tough to be young. I remember when John Bonham died, and I remember when Ozzie was kicked out of Black Sabbath.

I'm not the historian FinsburyParkCarrots is, so I hate to argue this. But I actually think that Sabbath is way more influential than Zep even though I like Zep a LOT more. Sabbath really pioneered alternate tunings and that heavy, heavy sound.

Zep maybe had too much virtuosity with Page, Plant, Jones and Bonham. It's really hard to imitate that. Even they had trouble keeping up with it in their later years. On the other hand, every teenage band is playing IRON MAN, even Eddie on ukelele.

Listen to the vocal and guitar lines of these nu-metal people. They aren't coming from Led Zeppelin. They're glossier, but they're coming from Sabbath.

I'm old, so what do I know, anyway?

DOSW · April 2007

Matty Boy wrote:

The only band that has come close to Zeppelin since Zeppelin quit is Guns N' Roses. They are the only band who has had the same sort of style, musical prowess, and charisma. Unfortunately for GnR there singer turned into a recluse hermit, but we'll always have "Appetite For Destruction". Pearl Jam just doesn't have that classic combo of Axl/Slash and Page/Plant. Pearl Jam is Eddie Vedder to the general public. Stone and Mike just don't have that special thing that Slash and Page have. Pearl Jam is sort of like The Doors in a way as both bands singers are the stars of the band.

You just won't pass up any opportunity to hail GNR, will you? I mean, I like them as much as the next guy, but the way you worship them is just unrealistic.

somebodyelsessky2020 · April 2007

Matty Boy wrote:

The only band that has come close to Zeppelin since Zeppelin quit is Guns N' Roses. They are the only band who has had the same sort of style, musical prowess, and charisma. Unfortunately for GnR there singer turned into a recluse hermit, but we'll always have "Appetite For Destruction". Pearl Jam just doesn't have that classic combo of Axl/Slash and Page/Plant. Pearl Jam is Eddie Vedder to the general public. Stone and Mike just don't have that special thing that Slash and Page have. Pearl Jam is sort of like The Doors in a way as both bands singers are the stars of the band.

guns was really good but axl wanted to be more like madonna or cher with the videos and the ridiculous tacky costume changes he had going on and his great big asshole ego ruined a good thing. also their catalog is so small they can't be put in the same class as either PJ or Zep. the pressure of the grunge era scared axl into seclusion. pearl jam crushes gun's IMO. vedder/mccready

SLH916 · April 2007

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

guns was really good but axl wanted to be more like madonna or cher with the videos and the ridiculous tacky costume changes he had going on and his great big asshole ego ruined a good thing. also their catalog is so small they can't be put in the same class as either PJ or Zep. the pressure of the grunge era scared axl into seclusion. pearl jam crushes gun's IMO. vedder/mccready

I think that you are right, but Axl is quite a song writer. I guess we'll find out if he still has it, soon.

Pearl Jam is one up on Axl/Slash or Plant/Page. They've got Vedder/McCready/Gossard.

Matty Boy · April 2007

SLH916 wrote:

I think that you are right, but Axl is quite a song writer. I guess we'll find out if he still has it, soon.

Pearl Jam is one up on Axl/Slash or Plant/Page. They've got Vedder/McCready/Gossard.

My point was that Vedder is the big public star just like Morrison was to The Doors. Stone, Mike, Ray, and Robbie were all very important to there respective bands, but none are stars.

Everybody seems to have forgotten now that Guns N' Roses were the biggest band when they were around just like Zeppelin was in their day. Saying Grunge killed GnR is like saying Punk Rock killed Zeppelin(I know John Bonham Dying was the reason Zeppelin broke up, but the press would make you believe that punk killed off prog rock of the 70's). It's just a fabrication made up by the media. You can hate GnR and Zeppelin all you want but if you think that Punk rock or Grunge killed either band you're dead wrong. It's just like how the press played up Nirvana after Cobains death. Pearl Jam was bigger than Nirvana before Cobain died and they're still bigger than Nirvana but you would never hear anybody in the media say that.

Some of you guys on here would be calling Zeppelin cock rockers if they were around at the same time as Pearl Jam, just like some you guys like to call GnR cock rockers. Go listen to your Kings Of Leon/White Stripes/Modest Mouse, but as for me, I'll be listening to The Stones, Zeppelin, GnR, and Pearl Jam. Feel free to slag Axl all you want but he'll have his shot whenever he decides to release "Chinese Democracy".

somebodyelsessky2020 · April 2007

Matty Boy wrote:

My point was that Vedder is the big public star just like Morrison was to The Doors. Stone, Mike, Ray, and Robbie were all very important to there respective bands, but none are stars.

Everybody has forgotten now that Guns N' Roses were the biggest band when they were around just like Zeppelin was in there day. Saying Grunge killed GnR is like saying Punk Rock killed Zeppelin(I know John Bonham Dying was the reason Zeppelin broke up, but the press would make you believe that punk killed off prog rock of the 70's). It's just a fabrication made up my the media. You can hate GnR and Zeppelin all you want but if you think that Punk rock or Grunge killed either band you're dead wrong. It's just like how the press played up Nirvana after Cobains death. Pearl Jam was bigger than Nirvana before Cobain died and they're still bigger than Nirvana but you would never hear anybody in the media say that.

Some of you guys on here would be calling Zeppelin cock rockers if they were around at the same time as Pearl Jam, just like some you guys like to call GnR cock rockers. Go listen to your Kings Of Leon/White Stripes/Modest Mouse, but as for me, I'll be listening to The Stones, Zeppelin, GnR, and Pearl Jam. Feel free to slag Axl all you want but he'll have his shot whenever he decides to release "Chinese Democracy".

you got me wrong i didn't say it killed gun's i said scared axl..he loved looking at himself in the mirror and being in the spotlight making million dollar videos and playing dress up when he should have put that effort into more writing...he was very fucking good at it. i love everything gun's ever did. but sorry they just didn't do enough to join the elite all time legend category along with Zep and PJ

Alex_Coe · April 2007

Within a decade or so, Pearl Jam may surpass Led Zeppelin... but not because of the group disbanding. That would greatly increase Pearl Jam's legendary status... but Pearl Jam will (not) disband any time soon.

Pearl Jam, I think, will continue to rock face long into the next decade.

But that time will come when PJ surpasses Zep musically. Pearl Jam will surpass Zeppelin as soon as McCready writes the greatest rock song ever... which will happen. Probably.

searchlightsoul · April 2007

Soundgarden is definatley comparable to Zepplin. Don't know about Pearl Jam though, I think that their longevity has worked against them in addition to good but not great albums.

Pearl Jam and toast · April 2007

laudenum wrote:

pj is by far a better/tighter band. ed's a waaaayyy better singer.
saw zepp live in 75? one of those things where a band is better on record than live.
pj blows all other bands out of the water live.
imho

Looks like I missed out on 8 pages or so of arguing but I can't believe you guys ignored this comment. Dead on.

SLH916 · April 2007

Matty Boy wrote:

My point was that Vedder is the big public star just like Morrison was to The Doors. Stone, Mike, Ray, and Robbie were all very important to there respective bands, but none are stars.

Everybody seems to have forgotten now that Guns N' Roses were the biggest band when they were around just like Zeppelin was in their day. Saying Grunge killed GnR is like saying Punk Rock killed Zeppelin(I know John Bonham Dying was the reason Zeppelin broke up, but the press would make you believe that punk killed off prog rock of the 70's). It's just a fabrication made up by the media. You can hate GnR and Zeppelin all you want but if you think that Punk rock or Grunge killed either band you're dead wrong. It's just like how the press played up Nirvana after Cobains death. Pearl Jam was bigger than Nirvana before Cobain died and they're still bigger than Nirvana but you would never hear anybody in the media say that.

Some of you guys on here would be calling Zeppelin cock rockers if they were around at the same time as Pearl Jam, just like some you guys like to call GnR cock rockers. Go listen to your Kings Of Leon/White Stripes/Modest Mouse, but as for me, I'll be listening to The Stones, Zeppelin, GnR, and Pearl Jam. Feel free to slag Axl all you want but he'll have his shot whenever he decides to release "Chinese Democracy".

This happens to me in real life, too. Every discussion of Led Zeppelin turns into a discussion of every other band you've ever listened to. There is just something about the Zep, maybe it has something to do with all of the songs they "borrowed." There is also a fanatical need to defend them from all challengers, maybe because of the extreme crappiness of their late period.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think that Axl is a better songwriter than Plant/Page even if he doesn't have as big a catalogue.

Also, are you saying that we Kings of Leon/White Stripes/Modest Mouse fans can't also be Stones/Zep/GnR/Pearl Jam fans? Can we have a thread devoted to Kings of Leon/White Stripes/Modest Mouse fans vs. Stones/Zep/GnR/Pearl Jam fans?

Can we do something about the fact that we are comparing Led Zeppelin to PEAR Jam, it's tasty but not musical?

laudenum · April 2007

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Looks like I missed out on 8 pages or so of arguing but I can't believe you guys ignored this comment. Dead on.

thank u...
i think alot of the hail zepp fans,only know them from recordings.
live? posturing, not even particularly good drum solos theres way better.
sound was awfull. zepp cant even hold a candle to pj imho.
ive seen alot of the bands that were around in zepps day, even they were better.

laudenum · April 2007

Matty Boy wrote:

My point was that Vedder is the big public star just like Morrison was to The Doors. Stone, Mike, Ray, and Robbie were all very important to there respective bands, but none are stars.

Everybody seems to have forgotten now that Guns N' Roses were the biggest band when they were around just like Zeppelin was in their day. Saying Grunge killed GnR is like saying Punk Rock killed Zeppelin(I know John Bonham Dying was the reason Zeppelin broke up, but the press would make you believe that punk killed off prog rock of the 70's). It's just a fabrication made up by the media. You can hate GnR and Zeppelin all you want but if you think that Punk rock or Grunge killed either band you're dead wrong. It's just like how the press played up Nirvana after Cobains death. Pearl Jam was bigger than Nirvana before Cobain died and they're still bigger than Nirvana but you would never hear anybody in the media say that.

Some of you guys on here would be calling Zeppelin cock rockers if they were around at the same time as Pearl Jam, just like some you guys like to call GnR cock rockers. Go listen to your Kings Of Leon/White Stripes/Modest Mouse, but as for me, I'll be listening to The Stones, Zeppelin, GnR, and Pearl Jam. Feel free to slag Axl all you want but he'll have his shot whenever he decides to release "Chinese Democracy".

yup eds pretty public.
what?

somebodyelsessky2020 · April 2007

searchlightsoul wrote:

Soundgarden is definatley comparable to Zepplin. Don't know about Pearl Jam though, I think that their longevity has worked against them in addition to good but not great albums.

wow soundgarden is good but not even in the same league PJ and zep are in. they never have been and never will be. Pj and Zep both have something special as a whole that is very rare. yeah maybe cornell is a real strong singer comparable to plant.. but as a whole with the band lyrically and musically they don't fit in with the super elite groups PJ or Zep.. just MHOP anyway.

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