Led Zeppelin vs Pear Jam

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,797
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    I disagree. I'm only 23 so i've never seen Led Zeppelin. but my appreciation of them already is so high that seeing them live might actually be a little too much. Pearl Jam concerts are awesome. but I don't think I'd even be able to keep my cool at a Zeppelin concert. I'd probably be like "Oh...my...god, they are actually going to play that song right now and i'm going to witness it?" It would be overwhelming for me, though an amazing experience. Ah, if I ever had a time machine.

    on the flip side, I don't think seeing them live would help someone like Todd76 like them. if he considers them to be "boring" and their music to be "masterbation" (whatever the hell that means) from their studio albums, I don't know how he's going to survive Moby Dick or White Summer at a concert. I, on the other hand would, just stare in amazement......probably on acid.
    so you disagree with me on what ,all i'm saying is that to fully appreciate ZEPP or to say that they are boring you have to at least seen them perform their songs .......
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  • Todd76
    Todd76 Posts: 1,469
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:

    on the flip side, I don't think seeing them live would help someone like Todd76 like them. if he considers them to be "boring" and their music to be "masterbation" (whatever the hell that means)

    musical maturbation = fretboard acrobatics, wanky 10 minute guitar/drum solos, the guitar as an extension of a guitar players manhood...."look at me - see how technically proficient I am"......the rock equivalent of Mariah Carey showing how many different notes she can hit on each and every word that she sings (ie. dragging the national anthem out to a 10 minute epic excercise in vocal gymnastics)
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Todd76 wrote:
    musical maturbation = fretboard acrobatics, wanky 10 minute guitar/drum solos, the guitar as an extension of a guitar players manhood...."look at me - see how technically proficient I am"......
    Are you describing Black or Even Flow?
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  • laudenum
    laudenum Posts: 405
    surferdude wrote:
    Are you describing Black or Even Flow?

    completley different. back in the day there would just be a guitar solo or drum solo,not part of a song.
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  • Todd76
    Todd76 Posts: 1,469
    surferdude wrote:
    Are you describing Black or Even Flow?

    Yes - I suppose I could be.....i'm not a fan of alot Mikes solos either. The guitar work was never what appealed to me in PJ's music....in fact I think it ruins many of their songs (ie. All or None would be a great song if it didnt have that painfully wanky guitar solo).
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  • laudenum
    laudenum Posts: 405
    Todd76 wrote:
    Yes - I suppose I could be.....i'm not a fan of alot Mikes solos either. The guitar work was never what appealed to me in PJ's music....in fact I think it ruins many of their songs (ie. All or None would be a great song if it didnt have that painfully wanky guitar solo).

    but what would nais sound like,with out it.
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  • Todd76
    Todd76 Posts: 1,469
    laudenum wrote:
    but what would nais sound like,with out it.

    it would sound different - thats for sure.....I don't mind the guitar in that song, I actually quite like the noisy, swirling, sustained guitar section - it does tread on "wanky" at times....but I said ALOT of his solos, not all
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  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    Todd76 wrote:
    it would sound different - thats for sure.....I don't mind the guitar in that song, I actually quite like the noisy, swirling, sustained guitar section - it does tread on "wanky" at times....but I said ALOT of his solos, not all

    I'd be interested to hear what solos you enjoy. Because you are really coming off as a horribly pretentious music snob.
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    pretty much all of Led Zeppelin's songs were plagiarised directly from old blues songs.
    That is such a pile of horse shit that you just spewed.

    Fucking Howard Stern has made it "cool" to bash the legend that was Led Zeppelin. And frankly, I am sick and fucking tired of it.

    That is a huge accusation to accuse them of. They were greatly influenced by blues artist that came long before them....so fucking what? They do not deny that. Led Zeppelin was able to do for Rock and Roll something that most bands since have never been able to do. And that is to change the landscape of music.

    Led Zeppelin will always be an integral part of the formation of rock and roll and their legend will live on forever....no matter how many ass hats try to tarnish their reputation.

    And when I say that PJ will have to be broken up or at its end before reaching Led Zeppelin or The Beatles status is due to the "legend" factor. I do not believe a bands legend can really take off until after they are no more. Now that is a personal opinion due to the fact that the only two bands at the top of my list are both no longer bands.....nor have they been bands the whole time I have been into them. I am not that big of a Stones fan.....not to the Zeppelin or Beatles standard anyways.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    aNiMaL wrote:
    That is such a pile of horse shit that you just spewed.

    Fucking Howard Stern has made it "cool" to bash the legend that was Led Zeppelin. And frankly, I am sick and fucking tired of it.

    That is a huge accusation to accuse them of. They were greatly influenced by blues artist that came long before them....so fucking what? They do not deny that. Led Zeppelin was able to do for Rock and Roll something that most bands since have never been able to do. And that is to change the landscape of music.

    Led Zeppelin will always be an integral part of the formation of rock and roll and their legend will live on forever....no matter how many ass hats try to tarnish their reputation.

    And when I say that PJ will have to be broken up or at its end before reaching Led Zeppelin or The Beatles status is due to the "legend" factor. I do not believe a bands legend can really take off until after they are no more. Now that is a personal opinion due to the fact that the only two bands at the top of my list are both no longer bands.....nor have they been bands the whole time I have been into them. I am not that big of a Stones fan.....not to the Zeppelin or Beatles standard anyways.
    I never said that I thought they were shit and I wasn't bashing them in any way. I like Led Zeppelin and I think that they did a lot for rock music but what I stated was FACT. they did lift a lot of their tunes and lyrics DIRECTLY from songs by Willie Dixon, howlin' wolf, robert johnson and so on. there's nothing wrong with that for a blues band (and that is essentially what they were) since the blues was all borrowed but I simply agreed with Fins that their impact is not exactly on the strength of their originality or songwriting.
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  • Todd76
    Todd76 Posts: 1,469
    DOSW wrote:
    I'd be interested to hear what solos you enjoy. Because you are really coming off as a horribly pretentious music snob.

    it's horribly pretentious to not be a fan of guitar solos??????

    its just not my cup of tea. I couldnt name a guitar solo that I like....as that is not usually the aspect of music that appeals to me.

    ....that being said, I LOVE Dino Jr. and J.Mascis definitely "wails" on guitar
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    keepVHSalive wrote:
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Pearl Jam. At least they had their own songs. Except for Going To California, of course. ;):p[/quote
    whose songs did zeppelin have??????????????????????? dumbest shit i ever heard o are you thinking of stairway to heaven written by the backstreet boys


    No, but I was thinking of "Taurus" by Spirit.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,003
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I never said that I thought they were shit and I wasn't bashing them in any way. I like Led Zeppelin and I think that they did a lot for rock music but what I stated was FACT. they did lift a lot of their tunes and lyrics DIRECTLY from songs by Willie Dixon, howlin' wolf, robert johnson and so on. there's nothing wrong with that for a blues band (and that is essentially what they were) since the blues was all borrowed but I simply agreed with Fins that their impact is not exactly on the strength of their originality or songwriting.

    I see where you're coming from but I think Led Zeppelin's innovation and influence outweighs their theivery. plus I think from the fourth album onward they were very original.

    here's Jake Holmes' original Dazed and Confused for anyone who has never heard it. it's pretty cool.
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  • laudenum
    laudenum Posts: 405
    Todd76 wrote:
    it's horribly pretentious to not be a fan of guitar solos??????

    its just not my cup of tea. I couldnt name a guitar solo that I like....as that is not usually the aspect of music that appeals to me.

    ....that being said, I LOVE Dino Jr. and J.Mascis definitely "wails" on guitar
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  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    but what I stated was FACT. they did lift a lot of their tunes
    The problem I had with your original statement was the accusation of "plagiarism" and "pretty much all of Led Zeppelin's songs." There is a list of some songs.....but it is FAR from most of their material. And being influenced by is different than plagiarism.

    For someone who claims to be a big fan of theirs, you sure did jump at the chance to continue the false accusations that they were nothing but hacks (that is what you implied by your choice of words)....which couldn't be further from the truth.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,003
    keepVHSalive wrote:


    No, but I was thinking of "Taurus" by Spirit.


    here's that one too. I don't think this is a rip-off though. Spirit's Randy California has called it a "reworking" of his song and that he was proud that Page would use it in a song as great as Stairway to Heaven

    http://www.mediamax.com/aikin/Hosted/Live%20From%20The%20Time%20Coast_Spirit_7_Taurus.mp3
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  • somebodyelsessky2020
    somebodyelsessky2020 Posts: 1,178
    First there was Zeppelin and now there is Pearl Jam I never in a million years thought anyone would be Zep's equal but i was wrong...side by side IMO the 2 greatest bands in the history of rock music and even more of an accomplishment Pearl Jam has done it without having to be done and gone...soo there is a chance to topple the mighty ZEP and hold the number one position alone.
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  • laudenum
    laudenum Posts: 405
    some would say first there was deep purple, then pj.
    blackmore was a waayy better guitar player...and ian gillan a waaayy better singer.
    different strokes for different folks.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    yosi wrote:
    Led Zeppelin DID revolutionize rock and roll.



    I think they were at the centre of the the rock scene, particularly because after Hendrix died there was a gap in the US arena market and they were the obvious choice to fill it, but I don't think they were at the vanguard of music at the time. They weren't revolutionaries, in the early seventies, in the way that Can, Captain Beefheart or even Hawkwind were. That's not to discredit their influence on heavy rock (or even some punk), though. They consolidated a lot of disparate musical elements and sources, and they were fine musicians and entertainers.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    SLH916 wrote:
    I CAN SEE FOR MILES was pretty transformative.

    As a side note, I recently heard the 1966 song "I Must Be Mad" by the Birmingham band Craig (featuring Carl Palmer, later of ELP). Once you hear this, you'll never hear The Who's "I Can See For Miles" (1967) with the same reverence! The similarities are, let's say, a little too close to be co-incidental.

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