Led Zeppelin vs Pear Jam

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  • laudenum
    laudenum Posts: 405
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    pretty much all of Led Zeppelin's songs were plagiarised directly from old blues songs.

    start of hwy to heven sounds alot like while my guitar gently weeps.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,807
    saw ZEPP twice full line up way back in the late 70's great shows ,and i've seen PJ 20 times at least, i don't compare the 2 for back then ZEPP RULED for the present time PJ are kings ......
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Tiki Barber wrote:
    agreed. but you're missing the point.......i'm not gonna explain why because i just wrote up a long post, but i think some people will understand what i said.

    No, I got your point, I just don't entirely agree with it. I think its fine for people to praise Zeppelin for revolutionizing modern rock and roll, even if historians also say it, because they did.

    I am honest to god, blown away every time I listen to Led Zeppelin in a way that I've never felt as consistently by any other band. And to think that that could write/perform the kind of music that they did before rock n' roll really got going the way it did afterwards is truly mind blowing.

    One of the reasons I find their first album so incredible, is that I can't imagine what it must have been like, to have never heard hard rock before, and to put on Zeppelin I and hear Good Times and Bad Times kick in. It must have been unreal.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,807
    yosi wrote:
    No, I got your point, I just don't entirely agree with it. I think its fine for people to praise Zeppelin for revolutionizing modern rock and roll, even if historians also say it, because they did.

    I am honest to god, blown away every time I listen to Led Zeppelin in a way that I've never felt as consistently by any other band. And to think that that could write/perform the kind of music that they did before rock n' roll really got going the way it did afterwards is truly mind blowing.

    One of the reasons I find their first album so incredible, is that I can't imagine what it must have been like, to have never heard hard rock before, and to put on Zeppelin I and hear Good Times and Bad Times kick in. It must have been unreal.
    i was waiting for you to chime in and i agree with your points....
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  • laudenum
    laudenum Posts: 405
    but lots of other bands of the day revolutionized rock.
    ten years after
    jethro tull
    emerson lake and palmer
    the who
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  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    yosi wrote:
    No, I got your point, I just don't entirely agree with it. I think its fine for people to praise Zeppelin for revolutionizing modern rock and roll, even if historians also say it, because they did.

    I am honest to god, blown away every time I listen to Led Zeppelin in a way that I've never felt as consistently by any other band. And to think that that could write/perform the kind of music that they did before rock n' roll really got going the way it did afterwards is truly mind blowing.

    One of the reasons I find their first album so incredible, is that I can't imagine what it must have been like, to have never heard hard rock before, and to put on Zeppelin I and hear Good Times and Bad Times kick in. It must have been unreal.

    yeah i agree with everything you say but you did miss the point. because i wasn't saying there is anything wrong with people praising zeppelin for revoulutionizing modern rock and roll, and i happen to think they are one of the best of all time. they are actually one of my top 5 favorite bands. all i was saying was that i think SOME peoples opinion, not all, gets manipulated by all the praise that led zeppelin gets to the point where they are just focusing on zeppelin and not focusing on how great pearl jam actually is as well....and i think that's due to the fact that pearl jam isn't talked about as highly as zeppelin is. anyway i'm not taking anything away from zeppelin or what they did for rock music. they're a great band. i'm just saying if you like pearl jam better than like pearl jam better, there is nothing wrong with it, and they are not beneath any other rock band despite what some people think.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,003
    Todd76 wrote:
    I'm definitely allowed to think they suck....while you may think they are great musicians, that does not make them a great band. There are lots of bands out there that are skilled musicians, but if the music is boring and the vocals are grating and annoying - in my opinion they suck....very overrated. Most of the bands I really like arent going to win any awards for their musicianship, but I am able to connect with some aspect of the music.

    yeah Led Zeppelin's music is boring. songs like Black Dog, Immigrant Song, Dancing Days and Good Times Bad Times rock harder than anything Pearl Jam has ever done. Songs like Achilles Last Stand, Stairway To Heaven, Kashmir, In the Light, the Rain Song and When The Levee Breaks are so epic they could have been the soundtrack to Lord of the Rings or something. then you have the songs where Page is just wailing away (How Many More Times, Since I've Been Loving You, You Shook Me)

    You don't have to like them but it's dumb to say they suck. for instance, I hate Bruce Springsteen and the Rolling Stones. But I'm not about to say they suck when they have millions of fans and have been very influential to bands like Pearl Jam.
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  • SLH916
    SLH916 Posts: 132
    yosi wrote:
    No, I got your point, I just don't entirely agree with it. I think its fine for people to praise Zeppelin for revolutionizing modern rock and roll, even if historians also say it, because they did.

    I am honest to god, blown away every time I listen to Led Zeppelin in a way that I've never felt as consistently by any other band. And to think that that could write/perform the kind of music that they did before rock n' roll really got going the way it did afterwards is truly mind blowing.

    One of the reasons I find their first album so incredible, is that I can't imagine what it must have been like, to have never heard hard rock before, and to put on Zeppelin I and hear Good Times and Bad Times kick in. It must have been unreal.

    Do you consider Led Zeppelin more revolutionary than Black Sabbath? Or maybe The Who? I CAN SEE FOR MILES was pretty transformative.

    Would you still choose late Zep?
  • DOSW
    DOSW Posts: 2,014
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    You don't have to like them but it's dumb to say they suck. for instance, I hate Bruce Springsteen and the Rolling Stones. But I'm not about to say they suck when they have millions of fans and have been very influential to bands like Pearl Jam.

    Oh come on, now you're just nitpicking semantics. When he says they suck he obviously means he personally doesn't like their music. The exact quote was even "in my opinion, they suck."

    I see that all around here, people getting angrier with how people say things than what they're actually saying. It's frustrating.
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  • Todd76
    Todd76 Posts: 1,469
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    yeah Led Zeppelin's music is boring. songs like Black Dog, Immigrant Song, Dancing Days and Good Times Bad Times rock harder than anything Pearl Jam has ever done. Songs like Achilles Last Stand, Stairway To Heaven, Kashmir, In the Light, the Rain Song and When The Levee Breaks are so epic they could have been the soundtrack to Lord of the Rings or something. then you have the songs where Page is just wailing away (How Many More Times, Since I've Been Loving You, You Shook Me)

    You don't have to like them but it's dumb to say they suck. for instance, I hate Bruce Springsteen and the Rolling Stones. But I'm not about to say they suck when they have millions of fans and have been very influential to bands like Pearl Jam.

    saying that their music "rocks harder" is "epic" and features Page "wailing away"....really doesnt sell me on anything - its all musical masturbation and that shit is boring IMO

    ....having millions of fans ain't proof that they dont suck - most people like shitty music

    ....besides - if I dont like it, it must suck ;)
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,003
    Todd76 wrote:
    saying that their music "rocks harder" is "epic" and features Page "wailing away"....really doesnt sell me on anything - its all musical masturbation and that shit is boring IMO

    ....having millions of fans ain't proof that they dont suck - most people like shitty music

    ....besides - if I dont like it, it must suck ;)

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,807
    ZEPP, PJ BOTH ROCK
    now i win that is all ,besides if you didn't get to see ZEPP LIVE your opinions don't count .....
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,003
    josevolution wrote:
    ZEPP, PJ BOTH ROCK
    now i win that is all ,besides if you didn't get to see ZEPP LIVE your opinions don't count .....

    are you saying that the opinion of people who don't respect Zeppelin and have never seen them live don't count to you? or are you saying that you can't fully respect Zeppelin if you've never seen them?
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,807
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    are you saying that the opinion of people who don't respect Zeppelin and have never seen them live don't count to you? or are you saying that you can't fully respect Zeppelin if you've never seen them?
    just trying some sarcasm on you guys but since you put it that way i would agree with both of the points but i would add that you can't really appreciate ZEPP UNLESS YOU EXPERIENCED THEIR LIVE SHOW...
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  • laudenum
    laudenum Posts: 405
    josevolution wrote:
    just trying some sarcasm on you guys but since you put it that way i would agree with both of the points but i would add that you can't really appreciate ZEPP UNLESS YOU EXPERIENCED THEIR LIVE SHOW...

    yup just like pj , until ya see them in action,ya havent really experienced them.
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  • SLH916
    SLH916 Posts: 132
    josevolution wrote:
    just trying some sarcasm on you guys but since you put it that way i would agree with both of the points but i would add that you can't really appreciate ZEPP UNLESS YOU EXPERIENCED THEIR LIVE SHOW...

    What if the show you experienced was a bad, bad, bad one, but you like their studio albums?
  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    When I bought TEN with my allowance and my dad let me put it on after picking me up from the mall he said, "so is this headbanging music?" and I said, "This is the greatest band out there Dad and I really believe they are my generations Led Zepplin". I hate to toot my own horn but holy crap I was so right.

    Honest to God its a true story, I'll never forget that conversation.
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  • laudenum
    laudenum Posts: 405
    SLH916 wrote:
    What if the show you experienced was a bad, bad, bad one, but you like their studio albums?
    i wasnt very impressed seeing led zepp in 75.
    just too much of....everything
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    mooncalf agreed" THe BANd
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,003
    josevolution wrote:
    just trying some sarcasm on you guys but since you put it that way i would agree with both of the points but i would add that you can't really appreciate ZEPP UNLESS YOU EXPERIENCED THEIR LIVE SHOW...

    I disagree. I'm only 23 so i've never seen Led Zeppelin. but my appreciation of them already is so high that seeing them live might actually be a little too much. Pearl Jam concerts are awesome. but I don't think I'd even be able to keep my cool at a Zeppelin concert. I'd probably be like "Oh...my...god, they are actually going to play that song right now and i'm going to witness it?" It would be overwhelming for me, though an amazing experience. Ah, if I ever had a time machine.

    on the flip side, I don't think seeing them live would help someone like Todd76 like them. if he considers them to be "boring" and their music to be "masterbation" (whatever the hell that means) from their studio albums, I don't know how he's going to survive Moby Dick or White Summer at a concert. I, on the other hand would, just stare in amazement......probably on acid.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,807
    SLH916 wrote:
    What if the show you experienced was a bad, bad, bad one, but you like their studio albums?
    both times i saw ZEPP they did not dissapoint me at least or any of my friends that attended the shows with me .....i'm talking about the complete ZEPP with bonzo on drums ........
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