Renee Nicole Good/ Alex Pretti/ Minneapolis

Gern Blansten · January 9

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I've seen that floating around online. I'm not sure how accurate it is, in terms of the timing of the shots.
I saw this video on CBS This Morning and they slow it down frame by frame, and stop just before the first shot. This is the frame just before the first shot was fired.

He was clearly in front of the car, and she had not started to turn her wheels when when he drew the gun, and I believe also when he fired the first shot.
Now, that all being said, I don't think the shooting was necessary. He could have taken 2 steps to his right in the same amount of time it took to draw and fire his weapon. But he was in front of the car and the car was driving towards him when he drew his gun. Does that mean it is murder? I'm not sure, maybe, maybe manslaughter, maybe something else.
I will say I believe if the first shot is justified, then the second and third ones are as well. If you justify one shot, then I don't expect the threat to be completely eliminated and the shooter to process the new information in the 0.45 seconds the whole shooting took place. So that's Why I'm just using the frame of the first one.
And I'll emphasize I said it wasn't necessary. What level that equates to, I don't know.

Here's the CBS clip I watched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdPtyJ78kl0

You can see in the stills that when he fired the first shot he was clear of the front left corner or the car and her front wheels are turned to the right.

This was the same officer that was dragged by a vehicle a few years earlier or so I read online.

He was in front of the vehicle when he drew down and was aiming as the car came towards him.

Did he know she was turning away in that instance? No. He sees a vehicle coming his way.

Everyone needs to be in the situation and not in hindsight.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Douche didn’t learn his lesson after being dragged down the street last time. May have ignored training and protocols for vehicle stops as well. But sure, let’s blame the victim.

Some seem so okay with the Goon Squads surging across the country. Your, general you, time will come. Give it time and a lack of “other” perceived enemies.

That seemed to be the pattern last night...that this guy "had been drug by a car before"....so what?

gimmesometruth27 · January 9

Spartanacus said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Poncier said:

josevolution said:

I can’t imagine another 2 years of this

We have 3 more years of this on tap.

plus whatever maga choads are left to pick up the slack after trump is dead. this will continue for probably another 10 years.

What does that mean? Are you anticipating an early demise for our POTUS? Even if that was the case, JD will pick up where he left off. If not, he'll be the next president and serve 8 years. And there are many other Patriots who will carry on trying to save our great nation from mass illegal migration and turning our country into a socialist shithole destined for failure.

I know you guys mean well, and yes, I want legal weed, I want to save the environment, and I want the people (who work for it) to not be destitute...but the party would have been over if that dunce Kamala and grifter Walz won.

I'm sure you're all nice people (I've chatted with many of you I'm sure at PJ shows), but your party is the party of the very naive and/or mentally ill, and if you can't see the forest through the trees...you better start looking more closely.

Out.

well...

bye

gimmesometruth27 · January 9

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I am not the Minnesota Star Tribune.

you shared it, did you not? I don't see a difference.

i am surprised you want to protect a murderer.

actually i am not surprised. more saddened because i expected better from you.

brianlux · January 9

nicknyr15 said:

Is the Portland in the title necessary? I don’t know all the details but they seem like two very different circumstances.

Nothing here is necessary, Nick, lol, but I'm open to suggestion for ICE related shootings thread topic title.

Tim Simmons · January 9

Does ICE have “procedure”?

brianlux · January 9

Tim Simmons said:

Does ICE have “procedure”?

"Shoot first, ask question later"?

mace1229 · January 9

Tim Simmons said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I am not the Minnesota Star Tribune.

you shared it, did you not? I don't see a difference.

So, don’t post news stories?

That wasn't a news story. You were sharing the identity of someone thought to maybe be involved in that shooting, i.e. doxing.
Not everything a local paper posts on social media is news worthy. You knew what you were doing. Not sharing "news" but trying to spread the identity of an unconfirmed shooter.

brianlux · January 9

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I am not the Minnesota Star Tribune.

you shared it, did you not? I don't see a difference.

i am surprised you want to protect a murderer.

actually i am not surprised. more saddened because i expected better from you.

I'm surprised there is controversy over calling Good's death "murder". I'm old, slow moving, and not trained in law enforcement, and I can easily avoid being hit by slow moving objects. Looking at the videos, it sure looks like murder to me. So yeah, I too am surprised that anyone wants to protect that ICE guy.

mace1229 · January 9

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I've seen that floating around online. I'm not sure how accurate it is, in terms of the timing of the shots.
I saw this video on CBS This Morning and they slow it down frame by frame, and stop just before the first shot. This is the frame just before the first shot was fired.

He was clearly in front of the car, and she had not started to turn her wheels when when he drew the gun, and I believe also when he fired the first shot.
Now, that all being said, I don't think the shooting was necessary. He could have taken 2 steps to his right in the same amount of time it took to draw and fire his weapon. But he was in front of the car and the car was driving towards him when he drew his gun. Does that mean it is murder? I'm not sure, maybe, maybe manslaughter, maybe something else.
I will say I believe if the first shot is justified, then the second and third ones are as well. If you justify one shot, then I don't expect the threat to be completely eliminated and the shooter to process the new information in the 0.45 seconds the whole shooting took place. So that's Why I'm just using the frame of the first one.
And I'll emphasize I said it wasn't necessary. What level that equates to, I don't know.

Here's the CBS clip I watched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdPtyJ78kl0

justified? That's a horrible take. She was a female with no weapon. It is totally against procedure to fire at a moving car in that situation.

I never said it was justified. In fact, I said it wasn't necessary (which would imply not justified-if a law enforcement shooting isn't necessary, it shouldn't be justified).
I said IF the first shot is justified, then so are the other 2. Meaning it doesn't matter that the car was no longer in front of him by the third shot IF the first one was justified. You can't respond that quickly. Basically, those frame by frame posts of the second and third shots don't matter to me. Just consider the first one.
I think the officer was wrong. Was it murder-level wrong? I don't know. Maybe just aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, maybe some other term may apply more. Maybe not. I don't really kno

mace1229 · January 9

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I am not the Minnesota Star Tribune.

you shared it, did you not? I don't see a difference.

i am surprised you want to protect a murderer.

actually i am not surprised. more saddened because i expected better from you.

He's not a confirmed shooter, at least not when that was shared as far as I know. You don't see a problem with sharing the identify of people involved that are yet to be confirmed as accurate?

mace1229 · January 9

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I am not the Minnesota Star Tribune.

you shared it, did you not? I don't see a difference.

i am surprised you want to protect a murderer.

actually i am not surprised. more saddened because i expected better from you.

I'm surprised there is controversy over calling Good's death "murder". I'm old, slow moving, and not trained in law enforcement, and I can easily avoid being hit by slow moving objects. Looking at the videos, it sure looks like murder to me. So yeah, I too am surprised that anyone wants to protect that ICE guy.

Has he been confirmed by anyone? The leap that post made seemed like a stretch to be shared as concrete evidence and blasted all over social media.
His identify won't be protected forever. There will be an investigation and names will be released. Doxing someone based on a social media post that may or may not be accurate seems little irresponsible to me.
Chances are he probably is the guy, just seems a little premature and itchy to jump to that level of a conclusion and potentially ruin his life and endanger his family over that level of evidence.
You don't think he isn't going to get death threats now? You don't think his family and kids (if he has any) isn't going to get harassed? You better be 100% sure you have the right guy before you play a part in that. The link they made isn't strong enough for me to support that.
If something happens to him or his family, and it turns out that was wrong information, ever single person who shared that post should be held accountable. If you're that confirmed it's the right guy, then share ahead.

bootlegger10 · January 9

brianlux said:

Dan Rather's spot on letter from Steady today:
This is not right. Not justifiable. Not who we are as Americans. Full stop.
The act of violence by a federal officer that killed an unarmed American is an unimaginable horror and a national atrocity.
Renee Good was murdered by an ICE agent on her way home from dropping off her first grader at school. Video from three different angles shows Good driving onto a street full of protesters and agents near her Minneapolis home. One can then see Good maneuvering her car at the command of several agents.
According to eyewitnesses, two agents were yelling at her simultaneously and at cross purposes to turn around, back up, stop, and get out of the car. She rolled down her window to hear and speak with them.
Moments before the shooting, she was inching her car forward. An agent, who was standing on the left side of the car, raised his gun and shot Good at point-blank range. A doctor in the crowd offered to help Good. The agent would not let him, saying, “I don’t care.”
Good was a poet and stay-at-home mom who was born and raised in Colorado. She has been described as a devoted Christian who was not politically active, according to her ex-husband’s father. Her social media accounts appear to bear this out.
Once again, the president and his lackeys are asking Americans not to believe what they see with their own eyes.
Rather than console the family or condemn the violence, he orchestrated a fiction to cover up ICE’s criminality, abuse of power, and the failures of his draconian deportation policies.
Trump claims the ICE agent acted in self-defense and DHS Secretary Kristi Noem called Good a domestic terrorist who weaponized her car to target the agents. While die-hard Trumpsters might gobble that up like it’s Thanksgiving dinner, the real story can be seen on the video taken by multiple bystanders.
ICE stokes fear and heightens tensions rather than de-escalating them. Since Trump took office last January, four people have been killed and five injured by ICE agents in 15 shootings. Though there is clear evidence that the agent who killed Good did not act in self-defense, it is unlikely even he will see the inside of a courtroom, never mind a prison cell.
The agent who killed Good was identified by the Minneapolis Star Tribune. He is an Iraq War veteran who has been with ICE since at least 2016. The agent was previously injured in a traffic incident while seizing an undocumented man who was later convicted of dragging the agent with his car. This doesn’t justify what happened. At all.
Stephen Miller, Trump’s immigration guru, who is not a lawyer, maintains ICE agents are untouchable. “You have federal immunity in the conduct of your duties. And anybody who lays a hand on you or tries to stop or obstruct you is committing a felony,” he said on Fox. This is patently false in America — always has been and always should be.
Though Minneapolis’s mayor and Minnesota’s governor vowed to seek justice for Good, Trump & Co. made sure they were unable to. The FBI announced on Thursday morning that it would be handling the investigation alone, boxing out the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA). Historically, the agencies work together.
The BCA said in a statement that the U.S. attorney’s office “had reversed course: the investigation would now be led solely by the FBI, and the BCA would no longer have access to the case materials, scene evidence or investigative interviews necessary to complete a thorough and independent investigation.”
With no independent investigation and a Justice Department in the president’s pocket, the agent who killed Good may not even get a slap on the wrist.
Unless we demand it.
Renee Good’s death will not be in vain. It has already drawn needed attention to a rogue president and agency acting with impunity. She could be any mother, in any city, at any time. She could be any one of us. It is time to draw the line in the sand. And to say her name while doing it.

Isn't this disingenuous? She was there to protest or monitor the ICE actions with her spouse. Rather makes it sound like she was just driving home from dropping her kid off at school. Just another quick reaction with an agenda on both sides.

Having a gun as a police officer should be a last resort. Like the absolute last resort. This ICE agent was trigger happy. They should have let her drive away and do police work if they wanted to arrest her. She wasn't a danger to the public. They know exactly who she is. Just arrest her later.

Tim Simmons · January 9

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I am not the Minnesota Star Tribune.

you shared it, did you not? I don't see a difference.

So, don’t post news stories?

That wasn't a news story. You were sharing the identity of someone thought to maybe be involved in that shooting, i.e. doxing.
Not everything a local paper posts on social media is news worthy. You knew what you were doing. Not sharing "news" but trying to spread the identity of an unconfirmed shooter.

What I was doing was laughing that Noam doxxed him under the guise of showing him support.

A media outlet did the leg work with the information, vetted and verified it and then published it, making it public.

You want to think I am continuing to doxx the guy, fine. IDC. I just wanted to share the admins continued incompetence.

Go Beavers · January 9

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I am not the Minnesota Star Tribune.

you shared it, did you not? I don't see a difference.

So, don’t post news stories?

That wasn't a news story. You were sharing the identity of someone thought to maybe be involved in that shooting, i.e. doxing.
Not everything a local paper posts on social media is news worthy. You knew what you were doing. Not sharing "news" but trying to spread the identity of an unconfirmed shooter.

In a democracy, the identity of a law enforcement officer should be on the outside of their uniform. With that in kind, this isn’t doxxing.

josevolution · January 9

nicknyr15 said:

Is the Portland in the title necessary? I don’t know all the details but they seem like two very different circumstances.

Meh not a big deal in the grand scheme of things! Maybe change it to ICE shoots Americans citizens in every state I’m sure this might get to that in the next 3 fucking years of this nightmare that most sane folks believe it to be.

josevolution · January 9

It’s funny but a poster stated that it was payed leftist agitators that caused this but when you bring up that it was MAGA infiltrators that reeked havoc during the BLM protests they completely ignore it or just don’t believe it to be true 🤷‍♂️

nicknyr15 · January 9

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

Is the Portland in the title necessary? I don’t know all the details but they seem like two very different circumstances.

Meh not a big deal in the grand scheme of things! Maybe change it to ICE shoots Americans citizens in every state I’m sure this might get to that in the next 3 fucking years of this nightmare that most sane folks believe it to be.

Not sure the two shot in Portland were American citizens. And I’m not saying one is right and one isn’t. Just pointing out at face value the two instances seem very different.

brianlux · January 9

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I am not the Minnesota Star Tribune.

you shared it, did you not? I don't see a difference.

i am surprised you want to protect a murderer.

actually i am not surprised. more saddened because i expected better from you.

I'm surprised there is controversy over calling Good's death "murder". I'm old, slow moving, and not trained in law enforcement, and I can easily avoid being hit by slow moving objects. Looking at the videos, it sure looks like murder to me. So yeah, I too am surprised that anyone wants to protect that ICE guy.

Has he been confirmed by anyone? The leap that post made seemed like a stretch to be shared as concrete evidence and blasted all over social media.
His identify won't be protected forever. There will be an investigation and names will be released. Doxing someone based on a social media post that may or may not be accurate seems little irresponsible to me.
Chances are he probably is the guy, just seems a little premature and itchy to jump to that level of a conclusion and potentially ruin his life and endanger his family over that level of evidence.
You don't think he isn't going to get death threats now? You don't think his family and kids (if he has any) isn't going to get harassed? You better be 100% sure you have the right guy before you play a part in that. The link they made isn't strong enough for me to support that.
If something happens to him or his family, and it turns out that was wrong information, ever single person who shared that post should be held accountable. If you're that confirmed it's the right guy, then share ahead.

Hey, ease off on the accusation, huh? Jonathan Ross killed Renee Good. That's not a leap, it's a known.

Why are these guys out there terrorizing people in the first place? The who thing is beyond messed up.

Halifax2TheMax · January 9

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Good lord, what’s irresponsible is having poorly trained and educated heavily armed, masked thugs terrorizing citizens in a form of state sanctioned terrorism, and the casual acceptance of same by a large portion of the population.

You’re a federal or local law enforcement officer doing your job professionally and to the constitution? Take the fucking mask off.

FYI, ICE has the lowest standards and lowest scoring, deficient applicants of all federal law enforcement agencies. You should have heard the former head of DHS, from back when we had normalcy, talking about the hiring standards, the lowering of same, training protocols (ICE’s own training manual instructs you’re not to put yourself in front/behind a vehicle during a traffic stop, to deescalate the situation, not to give chase, pick them up later and not to draw your weapon unless absolutely necessary). Which leads to, why did the douche move from passenger side to in front of the vehicle when there were already at least three other agents approaching from the driver’s side? Could have stayed safely on the passenger side and not put himself in harm’s way. Could have also stepped aside instead of drawing his weapon and shooting her in the face and probably in the side/back of head/body to finish the job. Oh yea, how the adrenaline is pumping and you can’t control that trigger finger and they’re trained to shoot to kill. Yea, they’re also trained to use common fucking sense in a given situation.

Its also irresponsible for the shitbag POTUS, VP, and DHS Director to take to the airwaves and lie about what happened, mischaracterize the victim as a terrorist or the situation as an ICE operation (my understanding is the victim drove up on the ICE agents who were stuck in the snow, Kristi Gnome described it as such, and a crowd had gathered).

It’s also irresponsible for “law enforcement” on scene to deny a victim life saving medical care. Civilian doc on scene denied access to victim. They delayed calling EMTs.

But let’s get our knickers in a bunch because the press, doing what the press does, reported on the douche because the DHS Gnome shared information in a look at me in my different outfit talking tough press appearance and shared details of the douche’s previous experience of, well, being a douche. Maybe talk to her about her irresponsibility, eh?

This is how it starts (it’s already started and is well on its way) folks. The normalization of state sanctioned terrorism against its own citizens. We’re watching it live and in real time. And the only thing that can stop it is CCOOTWH’s “morality”. Let that sink in.

brianlux · January 9

Halifax2TheMax said:

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.
Good lord, what’s irresponsible is having poorly trained and educated heavily armed, masked thugs terrorizing citizens in a form of state sanctioned terrorism, and the casual acceptance of same by a large portion of the population.

You’re a federal or local law enforcement officer doing your job professionally and to the constitution? Take the fucking mask off.

FYI, ICE has the lowest standards and lowest scoring, deficient applicants of all federal law enforcement agencies. You should have heard the former head of DHS, from back when we had normalcy, talking about the hiring standards, the lowering of same, training protocols (ICE’s own training manual instructs you’re not to put yourself in front/behind a vehicle during a traffic stop, to deescalate the situation, not to give chase, pick them up later and not to draw your weapon unless absolutely necessary). Which leads to, why did the douche move from passenger side to in front of the vehicle when there were already at least three other agents approaching from the driver’s side? Could have stayed safely on the passenger side and not put himself in harm’s way. Could have also stepped aside instead of drawing his weapon and shooting her in the face and probably in the side/back of head/body to finish the job. Oh yea, how the adrenaline is pumping and you can’t control that trigger finger and they’re trained to shoot to kill. Yea, they’re also trained to use common fucking sense in a given situation.

Its also irresponsible for the shitbag POTUS, VP, and DHS Director to take to the airwaves and lie about what happened, mischaracterize the victim as a terrorist or the situation as an ICE operation (my understanding is the victim drove up on the ICE agents who were stuck in the snow, Kristi Gnome described it as such, and a crowd had gathered).

It’s also irresponsible for “law enforcement” on scene to deny a victim life saving medical care. Civilian doc on scene denied access to victim. They delayed calling EMTs.

But let’s get our knickers in a bunch because the press, doing what the press does, reported on the douche because the DHS Gnome shared information in a look at me in my different outfit talking tough press appearance and shared details of the douche’s previous experience of, well, being a douche. Maybe talk to her about her irresponsibility, eh?

This is how it starts (it’s already started and is well on its way) folks. The normalization of state sanctioned terrorism against its own citizens. We’re watching it live and in real time. And the only thing that can stop it is CCOOTWH’s “morality”. Let that sink in.

Spot on. A lot of these ICE guys are hired thugs with little training and sketchy backgrounds. These are not highly skilled well trained special forces.

Renee Nicole Good/ Alex Pretti/ Minneapolis

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