Democrats

Halifax2TheMax · June 5

Here’s what the dinosaur Bernie thinks Dems should run on while forgetting that they had most of this with Brandon in office and Kamala running. Yet, ‘Murican voters rejected it in favour of authoritarianism and getting rid of “the other” and the “woke” lifestyle. So, what do Dems run on? Beating your partner behind closed doors? Exporting all blacks back to Africa? Only allowing white people to hold jobs and be educated? What’s the big ticket issue of the day that is going to attract racist indies and non-voters? Canceling Ivy League education?

What the Democrats have to absolutely make clear is this: we’re going to take on the billionaire class. They’re going to start paying their fair share of taxes. We’re going to have healthcare for all people as a human right. We’re going to have a strong childcare system that every American can afford. We’re going to make public colleges and universities tuition-free. We’re going to create millions of jobs transforming our energy system away from fossil fuel. We’re going to build housing – boy, housing is like it is here, just a huge crisis. We’re going to build millions of units of low-income and affordable housing. Do Democrats say that? No.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/jun/04/saying-trump-is-dangerous-is-not-enough-bernie-sanders-on-biden-billionaires-and-why-the-democrats-failed

Good fucking luck indeed.

gimmesometruth27 · June 5

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example.

Like, how do you combat that?

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men
“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles.

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

I’m raising the question as to what the appeal of republicans is, as opposed to blaming the democrats for making them vote republican. And about half the population views both parties as too extreme, so another question is since the dems are mostly moderate, how did that perception take hold? The answer most likely lies in social media and the right’s grasp on misinformation and false narratives.

it is the misconception that anything to the left of montana is too extreme and too liberal for americans.

Halifax2TheMax · June 5

While a certain poster goes on and on about how Brandon deceived all of us, despite being killed and a robot likeness taking his place, and how higher education and colleges and universities with endowments are bankrupting ‘Murica, COOTWH wants to scrap the debt limit and nary a word or criticism. Brandon and Kamala must be the “shadow government” pulling COOTWH’s strings, eh?

gimmesometruth27 · June 5

DE4173 said:

Curious if anything bad regarding Newsom was self-inflicted compared to what the GOP is trashing him about?

newsome is hosting steve bannon and newt gingrich on his podcast and is attacking democrats, as if he would not need their votes in a primary.

i get that candidates moderate in a general election, but not 2 years before the primary. newsome, if he keeps giving a platform to the biggest shitbirds in our politics, is not going to fare well outside of california.

tbergs · June 5

gimmesometruth27 said:

DE4173 said:

Curious if anything bad regarding Newsom was self-inflicted compared to what the GOP is trashing him about?

newsome is hosting steve bannon and newt gingrich on his podcast and is attacking democrats, as if he would not need their votes in a primary.

i get that candidates moderate in a general election, but not 2 years before the primary. newsome, if he keeps giving a platform to the biggest shitbirds in our politics, is not going to fare well outside of california.

I'm fine with him hosting them as long as he holds their feet to the fire on topics they support that are controversial. These conversations should happen, but if it's just to pile on and try to make some plea that the rhetoric on the right isn't toxic, then yeah, that's not productive.

Gern Blansten · June 5

DE4173 said:

Curious if anything bad regarding Newsom was self-inflicted compared to what the GOP is trashing him about?

Not really....they will just tag him as the biggest liberal in the world and try to trash CA and make all of its shortcomings his fault. High taxes, liberal policies, etc.

He's definitely laying the tracks for 2026. He's publicly starting to get a bit more strict with the homeless issue (which is badly needed).

I am totally ok with him dancing with Bannon and the other chud. The more exposure he can get with repubs the better because he is likeable.

DE4173 · June 5

Thanks for the reply! That makes sense.

gimmesometruth27 · June 5

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

Curious if anything bad regarding Newsom was self-inflicted compared to what the GOP is trashing him about?

Not really....they will just tag him as the biggest liberal in the world and try to trash CA and make all of its shortcomings his fault. High taxes, liberal policies, etc.

He's definitely laying the tracks for 2026. He's publicly starting to get a bit more strict with the homeless issue (which is badly needed).

I am totally ok with him dancing with Bannon and the other chud. The more exposure he can get with repubs the better because he is likeable.

wait until trumpworld sicks kim g his ex wife on him. all that dirty laundry is going to come out.

tbergs · June 5

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

Curious if anything bad regarding Newsom was self-inflicted compared to what the GOP is trashing him about?

Not really....they will just tag him as the biggest liberal in the world and try to trash CA and make all of its shortcomings his fault. High taxes, liberal policies, etc.

He's definitely laying the tracks for 2026. He's publicly starting to get a bit more strict with the homeless issue (which is badly needed).

I am totally ok with him dancing with Bannon and the other chud. The more exposure he can get with repubs the better because he is likeable.

wait until trumpworld sicks kim g his ex wife on him. all that dirty laundry is going to come out.

You mean when the French Laundry scandel gets aired adnauseum?

DE4173 · June 5

Is that trashing, though? I would think it's a normal campaign topic. Even in a Dem primary it could come up. 🤷‍♂️

static111 · June 5

mrussel1 said:

Let's take a test. What's worse in your eyes Lerx:

Biden's "handlers" hiding his incapacities or

Trump eliciting a bribe for a free plane that goes to his library after his term
Trump pushing his coins while his family cuts deals in the Middle East
Trump jailing and deporting people without due process, defying the courts
Trump cutting HIV funding to third world nations
Trump slashing medicaid to the least among us
Trump damaging everyone's retirement to the tune of down 3% since his tariff nonsense began
Trump attacking Harvard and eliminating student visas across the board (no matter your country of origin)
Trump slashing the NOAA
Trump trying to eliminate FEMA with no replacement
Trump threatening to suspend Habeas Corpus

I could go on and on. Yet, every one of your posts is about Biden WHO HAS NO FUCKING POWER. Can we find one criticism of Trump or his policies this year? Is there one by you?

C'mon man stop with the whataboutism. I'm being sarcastic here just in case anyone wouldn't know

gimmesometruth27 · June 5

DE4173 said:

Is that trashing, though? I would think it's a normal campaign topic. Even in a Dem primary it could come up. 🤷‍♂️

its kim g we are talking about. it is a distinct possibility that she will lie about their marriage. she was engaged to trump jr so you know she has no soul.

DE4173 · June 5

No, but I didn't quote though. I meant the French Laundry story.

Tim Simmons · June 5

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example.

Like, how do you combat that?

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men
“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles.

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

this fucking guy.

static111 · June 5

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example.

Like, how do you combat that?

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men
“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles.

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

this fucking guy.

White grievance is a hell of a drug

Halifax2TheMax · June 5

static111 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example.

Like, how do you combat that?

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men
“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles.

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

this fucking guy.

White grievance is a hell of a drug

DEI is the killer of the white race.

Tim Simmons · June 5

This guy- Dems need to move on from the terrible 2024 and find a new strategy

also this guy - why are we moving on *this* 2024 stuff?

Gern Blansten · June 5

Tim Simmons said:

This guy- Dems need to move on from the terrible 2024 and find a new strategy

also this guy - why are we moving on *this* 2024 stuff?

I have to admit...it's confusing as hell

gimmesometruth27 · June 5

static111 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example.

Like, how do you combat that?

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men
“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles.

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

this fucking guy.

White grievance is a hell of a drug

so is victimhood.

shecky · June 6

Well, this didn't take long.

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Right on. Below is a partial lyric from John Lennon's "Instant Karma". Very apropos.

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