Democrats

cutz

Go Beavers said:

When I hear 86’d I think of the restaurant context and getting kicked out of somewhere. 

Same here.

Go Beavers

cutz said:

Go Beavers said:

When I hear 86’d I think of the restaurant context and getting kicked out of somewhere. 

Same here.

They probably don’t want to lower the bar of accepted free speech, seeing how their guy told everyone to “fight like hell” just before a riot broke out. 

mrussel1

cutz said:

Go Beavers said:

When I hear 86’d I think of the restaurant context and getting kicked out of somewhere. 

Same here.

It's 100% restaurant talk.  86 the veal..., etc. 

Just victims looking to be victimized, as usual. 

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

I’m raising the question as to what the appeal of republicans is, as opposed to blaming the democrats for making them vote republican. And about half the population views both parties as too extreme, so another question is since the dems are mostly moderate, how did that perception take hold? The answer most likely lies in social media and the right’s grasp on misinformation and false narratives. 

Democrats need to learn how to appeal to moderate voters to win back the Senate and presidency. We were told that Biden was the only man capable of beating Donald Trump so we all need to step in line. Then we learned the truth about Biden‘s condition which, according to Bob Woodward, was kept secret for over a year.

Without learning the who what where when or why, the same people will be around to fuck up future elections for Democrats. And the sheep don’t care

He did beat Trump.  You were "told" something, and it turned out to be true.  What a conspiracy.  

Unreal. The context of the comment I was referring to was the 2024 election.

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

I’m raising the question as to what the appeal of republicans is, as opposed to blaming the democrats for making them vote republican. And about half the population views both parties as too extreme, so another question is since the dems are mostly moderate, how did that perception take hold? The answer most likely lies in social media and the right’s grasp on misinformation and false narratives. 

Without learning the who what where when or why, the same people will be around to fuck up future elections for Democrats. And the sheep don’t care

Aren't the answers to your questions self evident?

again, you're hammering on this is incredibly tedious. 

Ironically, someone earlier this week posted about a book written by a Biden operative, …”look at her. She’s leaving the Democratic Party. What a hero.” (Implied).  YouTube is flooded with misinformation and lies spread by that woman in the year leading up to Biden‘s retirement. I’m not sure what news you’re following, but I’m not aware of any accountability from the Democratic Party other than this. It’s great they seemingly pushed her out, but she is still putting out misinformation and I’m not sure we have the full story who else lied and forced Harris on us without a vote.

tagline for her book “ . “In an era of disinformation, misinformation, the regressiveness of social policy, what we are seeing currently right now, what I have decided to do, and I really have thought long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass.”

She was the one lying…democrats cry about democracy but in reality really don’t care.

if I’m taking away from The fun from all the taco jokes and more about Trump for your enjoyment that are posted here, I sincerely apologize for that.

It just seems like your pleas here and in other posts are wrapped in a naiveté about the culture of politics and DC. Yeah it would be great to hold those responsible permanently responsible (a culture of cancel if you will), but thats not the way its ever worked in DC. 

For the most part politicians and their staff are self serving. Both parties. You keep demanding accountability from a town that has very little unless other people can climb on someones back to reach a higher rung. 


I mean if you want the WHOs, literally just get a list of Biden's campaign officers and his staff at the WH. There there are your fucking names to hold responsible. Don't vote for them or the candidates they work for. If it’s the WHY. It’s because they want jobs and they don't want the opposition to win. The WHEN? Fucking always. They serve to protect their candidate. Whether is a gaffe or whether its senility. Anything in pursuit of keeping a job. It’s all very self evident and this grinding on some principle that Dems, more than anybody else, need to be held accountable while they run fucking nothing is whats getting tedious.

The 2024 democratic nomination process was unique, not sure why you believe it should be chalked up as politics as usual.

HughFreakingDillon

It WAS unique. So ya got nuthin’ to worry about going forward. 

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

I’m raising the question as to what the appeal of republicans is, as opposed to blaming the democrats for making them vote republican. And about half the population views both parties as too extreme, so another question is since the dems are mostly moderate, how did that perception take hold? The answer most likely lies in social media and the right’s grasp on misinformation and false narratives. 

Democrats need to learn how to appeal to moderate voters to win back the Senate and presidency. We were told that Biden was the only man capable of beating Donald Trump so we all need to step in line. Then we learned the truth about Biden‘s condition which, according to Bob Woodward, was kept secret for over a year.

Without learning the who what where when or why, the same people will be around to fuck up future elections for Democrats. And the sheep don’t care

He did beat Trump.  You were "told" something, and it turned out to be true.  What a conspiracy.  

Unreal. The context of the comment I was referring to was the 2024 election.

Ok so we were told that only Biden could beat Trump. We didn’t believe “them” and pushed out Biden due to his debate performance. Harris subsequently lost. So as far as we know, only Biden could have beaten Trump. As we sit here, there’s no evidence to the contrary. So again, what’s the problem?

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

I’m raising the question as to what the appeal of republicans is, as opposed to blaming the democrats for making them vote republican. And about half the population views both parties as too extreme, so another question is since the dems are mostly moderate, how did that perception take hold? The answer most likely lies in social media and the right’s grasp on misinformation and false narratives. 

Without learning the who what where when or why, the same people will be around to fuck up future elections for Democrats. And the sheep don’t care

Aren't the answers to your questions self evident?

again, you're hammering on this is incredibly tedious. 

Ironically, someone earlier this week posted about a book written by a Biden operative, …”look at her. She’s leaving the Democratic Party. What a hero.” (Implied).  YouTube is flooded with misinformation and lies spread by that woman in the year leading up to Biden‘s retirement. I’m not sure what news you’re following, but I’m not aware of any accountability from the Democratic Party other than this. It’s great they seemingly pushed her out, but she is still putting out misinformation and I’m not sure we have the full story who else lied and forced Harris on us without a vote.

tagline for her book “ . “In an era of disinformation, misinformation, the regressiveness of social policy, what we are seeing currently right now, what I have decided to do, and I really have thought long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass.”

She was the one lying…democrats cry about democracy but in reality really don’t care.

if I’m taking away from The fun from all the taco jokes and more about Trump for your enjoyment that are posted here, I sincerely apologize for that.

It just seems like your pleas here and in other posts are wrapped in a naiveté about the culture of politics and DC. Yeah it would be great to hold those responsible permanently responsible (a culture of cancel if you will), but thats not the way its ever worked in DC. 

For the most part politicians and their staff are self serving. Both parties. You keep demanding accountability from a town that has very little unless other people can climb on someones back to reach a higher rung. 


I mean if you want the WHOs, literally just get a list of Biden's campaign officers and his staff at the WH. There there are your fucking names to hold responsible. Don't vote for them or the candidates they work for. If it’s the WHY. It’s because they want jobs and they don't want the opposition to win. The WHEN? Fucking always. They serve to protect their candidate. Whether is a gaffe or whether its senility. Anything in pursuit of keeping a job. It’s all very self evident and this grinding on some principle that Dems, more than anybody else, need to be held accountable while they run fucking nothing is whats getting tedious.

The 2024 democratic nomination process was unique, not sure why you believe it should be chalked up as politics as usual.

Okay, so Kamala wasn’t your preferred candidate and there’s no way it was Brandon. So who was it that you would have supported and wanted to see win the nomination through a “normal” process? Riddle us that.

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

I’m raising the question as to what the appeal of republicans is, as opposed to blaming the democrats for making them vote republican. And about half the population views both parties as too extreme, so another question is since the dems are mostly moderate, how did that perception take hold? The answer most likely lies in social media and the right’s grasp on misinformation and false narratives. 

Without learning the who what where when or why, the same people will be around to fuck up future elections for Democrats. And the sheep don’t care

Aren't the answers to your questions self evident?

again, you're hammering on this is incredibly tedious. 

Ironically, someone earlier this week posted about a book written by a Biden operative, …”look at her. She’s leaving the Democratic Party. What a hero.” (Implied).  YouTube is flooded with misinformation and lies spread by that woman in the year leading up to Biden‘s retirement. I’m not sure what news you’re following, but I’m not aware of any accountability from the Democratic Party other than this. It’s great they seemingly pushed her out, but she is still putting out misinformation and I’m not sure we have the full story who else lied and forced Harris on us without a vote.

tagline for her book “ . “In an era of disinformation, misinformation, the regressiveness of social policy, what we are seeing currently right now, what I have decided to do, and I really have thought long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass.”

She was the one lying…democrats cry about democracy but in reality really don’t care.

if I’m taking away from The fun from all the taco jokes and more about Trump for your enjoyment that are posted here, I sincerely apologize for that.

It just seems like your pleas here and in other posts are wrapped in a naiveté about the culture of politics and DC. Yeah it would be great to hold those responsible permanently responsible (a culture of cancel if you will), but thats not the way its ever worked in DC. 

For the most part politicians and their staff are self serving. Both parties. You keep demanding accountability from a town that has very little unless other people can climb on someones back to reach a higher rung. 


I mean if you want the WHOs, literally just get a list of Biden's campaign officers and his staff at the WH. There there are your fucking names to hold responsible. Don't vote for them or the candidates they work for. If it’s the WHY. It’s because they want jobs and they don't want the opposition to win. The WHEN? Fucking always. They serve to protect their candidate. Whether is a gaffe or whether its senility. Anything in pursuit of keeping a job. It’s all very self evident and this grinding on some principle that Dems, more than anybody else, need to be held accountable while they run fucking nothing is whats getting tedious.

The 2024 democratic nomination process was unique, not sure why you believe it should be chalked up as politics as usual.

YOU asked about the people covering for Biden. NOT the nomination process. 

gimmesometruth27

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

I’m raising the question as to what the appeal of republicans is, as opposed to blaming the democrats for making them vote republican. And about half the population views both parties as too extreme, so another question is since the dems are mostly moderate, how did that perception take hold? The answer most likely lies in social media and the right’s grasp on misinformation and false narratives. 

Without learning the who what where when or why, the same people will be around to fuck up future elections for Democrats. And the sheep don’t care

Aren't the answers to your questions self evident?

again, you're hammering on this is incredibly tedious. 

Ironically, someone earlier this week posted about a book written by a Biden operative, …”look at her. She’s leaving the Democratic Party. What a hero.” (Implied).  YouTube is flooded with misinformation and lies spread by that woman in the year leading up to Biden‘s retirement. I’m not sure what news you’re following, but I’m not aware of any accountability from the Democratic Party other than this. It’s great they seemingly pushed her out, but she is still putting out misinformation and I’m not sure we have the full story who else lied and forced Harris on us without a vote.

tagline for her book “ . “In an era of disinformation, misinformation, the regressiveness of social policy, what we are seeing currently right now, what I have decided to do, and I really have thought long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass.”

She was the one lying…democrats cry about democracy but in reality really don’t care.

if I’m taking away from The fun from all the taco jokes and more about Trump for your enjoyment that are posted here, I sincerely apologize for that.

It just seems like your pleas here and in other posts are wrapped in a naiveté about the culture of politics and DC. Yeah it would be great to hold those responsible permanently responsible (a culture of cancel if you will), but thats not the way its ever worked in DC. 

For the most part politicians and their staff are self serving. Both parties. You keep demanding accountability from a town that has very little unless other people can climb on someones back to reach a higher rung. 


I mean if you want the WHOs, literally just get a list of Biden's campaign officers and his staff at the WH. There there are your fucking names to hold responsible. Don't vote for them or the candidates they work for. If it’s the WHY. It’s because they want jobs and they don't want the opposition to win. The WHEN? Fucking always. They serve to protect their candidate. Whether is a gaffe or whether its senility. Anything in pursuit of keeping a job. It’s all very self evident and this grinding on some principle that Dems, more than anybody else, need to be held accountable while they run fucking nothing is whats getting tedious.

The 2024 democratic nomination process was unique, not sure why you believe it should be chalked up as politics as usual.

Okay, so Kamala wasn’t your preferred candidate and there’s no way it was Brandon. So who was it that you would have supported and wanted to see win the nomination through a “normal” process? Riddle us that.

i was gonna write someone in, then i realized that was a vote for trump, so i didn't do it.

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward 

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership  involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right?  Trump fucks something up every single day.  We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago.  How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here?  That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released.  Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out.  See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty.  But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities.  I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.  

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward 

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership  involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right?  Trump fucks something up every single day.  We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago.  How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here?  That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released.  Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out.  See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty.  But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities.  I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.  

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

He was indicted based on the testimony of someone in jail in Alabama or something. He hasn’t been convicted of anything. The tragedy isn’t that he is or isn’t deported, it’s that he was jailed in a third world country without due process which he is entitled to under US immigration law. And subsequently the DOJ refused to honor the SCOTUS order until today, after he is indicted.  Get a clue. Your red hat is eating your brain cells. It makes you stupid. 

Go Beavers

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward 

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership  involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right?  Trump fucks something up every single day.  We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago.  How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here?  That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released.  Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out.  See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty.  But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities.  I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.  

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

He was indicted based on the testimony of someone in jail in Alabama or something. He hasn’t been convicted of anything. The tragedy isn’t that he is or isn’t deported, it’s that he was jailed in a third world country without due process which he is entitled to under US immigration law. And subsequently the DOJ refused to honor the SCOTUS order until today, after he is indicted.  Get a clue. Your red hat is eating your brain cells. It makes you stupid. 

Due process is now “extreme”. 

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward 

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership  involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right?  Trump fucks something up every single day.  We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago.  How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here?  That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released.  Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out.  See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty.  But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities.  I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.  

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

He was indicted based on the testimony of someone in jail in Alabama or something. He hasn’t been convicted of anything. The tragedy isn’t that he is or isn’t deported, it’s that he was jailed in a third world country without due process which he is entitled to under US immigration law. And subsequently the DOJ refused to honor the SCOTUS order until today, after he is indicted.  Get a clue. Your red hat is eating your brain cells. It makes you stupid. 

Why don’t you report yourself and get banned already. Only stupid people violate rules here for their own swollen egos.

Unless you have proof these charges were fabricated to the grand jury.

SIX WITNESSES, and also alleged he was in ms 13 in the indictment. How do criminals get convicted more times than not? Exactly what is happening here.

Central American prison is horrible, I never supported that, but politically this will be a disaster for democrats. This topic swayed the election for a reason.

I wouldn’t be surprised indictments for ties to Hamas being in the next round 

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward 

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership  involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right?  Trump fucks something up every single day.  We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago.  How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here?  That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released.  Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out.  See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty.  But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities.  I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.  

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

He was indicted based on the testimony of someone in jail in Alabama or something. He hasn’t been convicted of anything. The tragedy isn’t that he is or isn’t deported, it’s that he was jailed in a third world country without due process which he is entitled to under US immigration law. And subsequently the DOJ refused to honor the SCOTUS order until today, after he is indicted.  Get a clue. Your red hat is eating your brain cells. It makes you stupid. 

Why don’t you report yourself and get banned already. Only stupid people violate rules here for their own swollen egos.

Unless you have proof these charges were fabricated to the grand jury.

SIX WITNESSES, and also alleged he was in ms 13 in the indictment. How do criminals get convicted more times than not? Exactly what is happening here.

Central American prison is horrible, I never supported that, but politically this will be a disaster for democrats. This topic swayed the election for a reason.

I wouldn’t be surprised indictments for ties to Hamas being in the next round 

I didn't say they were fabricated.  Where did you read that?  I said he is only coming back now because he was indicted, and that's all that happened was he indicted.  The NRO indicated the indictment was driven by the testimony from someone currently incarcerated.  If there were other witnesses, fine.  That's not the point.  He's not convicted today but at least he is now going to get some due process, which he was denied in his (lack of) deportation hearing.  

Maybe the topic "swayed the election", but if you are going to try to convince me that abandoning due process and Marbury v Madison is the way to win elections, you can have your elections.  

Merkin Baller

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward 

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership  involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right?  Trump fucks something up every single day.  We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago.  How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here?  That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released.  Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out.  See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty.  But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities.  I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.  

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

Advocating for due process is extreme? 

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? 

Tim Simmons

I’m at the point that I think Lerx is just a TeskieInc alt.

Halifax2TheMax

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

I’m raising the question as to what the appeal of republicans is, as opposed to blaming the democrats for making them vote republican. And about half the population views both parties as too extreme, so another question is since the dems are mostly moderate, how did that perception take hold? The answer most likely lies in social media and the right’s grasp on misinformation and false narratives. 

Without learning the who what where when or why, the same people will be around to fuck up future elections for Democrats. And the sheep don’t care

Aren't the answers to your questions self evident?

again, you're hammering on this is incredibly tedious. 

Ironically, someone earlier this week posted about a book written by a Biden operative, …”look at her. She’s leaving the Democratic Party. What a hero.” (Implied).  YouTube is flooded with misinformation and lies spread by that woman in the year leading up to Biden‘s retirement. I’m not sure what news you’re following, but I’m not aware of any accountability from the Democratic Party other than this. It’s great they seemingly pushed her out, but she is still putting out misinformation and I’m not sure we have the full story who else lied and forced Harris on us without a vote.

tagline for her book “ . “In an era of disinformation, misinformation, the regressiveness of social policy, what we are seeing currently right now, what I have decided to do, and I really have thought long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass.”

She was the one lying…democrats cry about democracy but in reality really don’t care.

if I’m taking away from The fun from all the taco jokes and more about Trump for your enjoyment that are posted here, I sincerely apologize for that.

It just seems like your pleas here and in other posts are wrapped in a naiveté about the culture of politics and DC. Yeah it would be great to hold those responsible permanently responsible (a culture of cancel if you will), but thats not the way its ever worked in DC. 

For the most part politicians and their staff are self serving. Both parties. You keep demanding accountability from a town that has very little unless other people can climb on someones back to reach a higher rung. 


I mean if you want the WHOs, literally just get a list of Biden's campaign officers and his staff at the WH. There there are your fucking names to hold responsible. Don't vote for them or the candidates they work for. If it’s the WHY. It’s because they want jobs and they don't want the opposition to win. The WHEN? Fucking always. They serve to protect their candidate. Whether is a gaffe or whether its senility. Anything in pursuit of keeping a job. It’s all very self evident and this grinding on some principle that Dems, more than anybody else, need to be held accountable while they run fucking nothing is whats getting tedious.

The 2024 democratic nomination process was unique, not sure why you believe it should be chalked up as politics as usual.

Okay, so Kamala wasn’t your preferred candidate and there’s no way it was Brandon. So who was it that you would have supported and wanted to see win the nomination through a “normal” process? Riddle us that.

@Lerxst1992 ?

Lerxst1992

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward 

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership  involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right?  Trump fucks something up every single day.  We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago.  How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here?  That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released.  Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out.  See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty.  But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities.  I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.  

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

Advocating for due process is extreme? 

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? 

The majority of the country decided advocating for foreigners here improperly is extreme.

and you have no idea how long DOJ was working on this indictment with a grand jury.. They could have gone to Roberts a month ago to tell the court they had evidence of significant crimes and were working with a grand jury. Since it ended May 21, Probably over a month.


its only your extremism that assumes all of the unknowns somehow support what you want to be true. That fact above proves how you think about this case is false. We did not have a significant fact available to us for about half of the time he was held in prison.

Go Beavers

Lerxst1992 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

josevolution said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They are losing men because one party says ‘men be better and step up’ and the other is saying, ‘hey be your unrestrained self and do/say what you want’ and then prove that being leading by that same example. 

Like, how do you combat that? 

By offering voters something they might appeal to them? The problem is democrats are inside this bubble. The first few other replies, picture of an older R voter with their gun toting anti vaxxer. The exact opposite of what Silvers  point was, and something about a boxer…. Dems are not appealing to a large segment of voters, but it possibly can’t be their fault?

More from Silver….

“ I know it might not seem related at first, Carrie, but I’m thinking about your question in the context of the debate Democrats are having about how to win back young men. (Gen Z men actually voted majority Trump last year.) One Democratic group, for instance, recently proposed a $20 million initiative called “Speaking With American Men”. Adding fuel to the fire is the Catalist report I discussed last week that found an expanding gender gap, especially among young voters and Black and Latino men. In fact, essentially all of the decline that Harris experienced relative to Biden came from men

“How does this relate to the River and the Village? For those who haven’t read On the Edge, the Village is my term for basically the progressive establishment, which is consensus-driven and risk-averse rather than individualistic. Its quintessential institutions are Harvard and the New York Times, but this attitude is also very much reflected in Democratic political campaigns. Conversely, the River is for analytical, contrarian, risk-seeking types: think Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Las Vegas. Until fairly recently, the River mostly saw itself as being apolitical or part of a third, vaguely libertarian-ish “Grey Tribe”. But a faction of the River — not all of it by any means, but a prominent faction associated with people like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen — has become heavily invested in the conservative political movement over the past few years.

How should the dems respond is a reasonable question, but it starts with the question of why are people drawn to the republican message of anti-feminism, anti equal access, the politicization of gender, and the promotion of outdated, rigid gender roles. 

You are trying to understand why moderates and independents would not consider voting for Democrats, as they see the Democrats as extreme, by looking at the extreme from the right? This makes absolutely no sense.

So what do you propose Democrats do? Going forward? You’ve stated your case on how they screwed the election up you keep harping everything that happened! When will you move forward 

It’s hysterical that this forum will go on and on for years for the obnoxious shit that Trump does. But when Democrats screw up, lie to us, we want to move on within six months? The absurdity around here is stunning

unless you know the who, what where when why …we were railroaded by Biden‘s team (or was dem leadership  involved?) I’m not sure why anyone would be thinking of moving on right now

This is a joke right?  Trump fucks something up every single day.  We don't have time to stew on what happened six months ago.  How many posts about Abrego-Garcia do you see here?  That poor man is in a third world country jail AFTER the Supreme Court ordered him released.  Yet he still rots and the DOJ does nothing to get him out.  See anyone stewing about that? No, because Trump is on to some other travesty.  But you are laser focused on something that happened almost a year ago now, and wouldn't even be a blip on the Trump continuum of atrocities.  I'm sorry, your posts are absurd and this is why I think you are full MAGA, just refusing to admit it.  

Plenty.

amazing you’ve joined the extreme. Time to start yelling at windmills, or grand juries. Perfect timing with your post…

Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

Advocating for due process is extreme? 

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? 

The majority of the country decided advocating for foreigners here improperly is extreme.

and you have no idea how long DOJ was working on this indictment with a grand jury.. They could have gone to Roberts a month ago to tell the court they had evidence of significant crimes and were working with a grand jury. Since it ended May 21, Probably over a month.


its only your extremism that assumes all of the unknowns somehow support what you want to be true. That fact above proves how you think about this case is false. We did not have a significant fact available to us for about half of the time he was held in prison.

I hope you're properly warmed up before doing these mental gymnastic routines.