@GlowGirl - do you feel like you are being selfish being front row so much? You can say you put the time in, but now if a local or traveling fan is okay lining up a day early, then the group goes to lining up two days early. That is selfish behavior in my view.
Not trying to be mean or anything. Like I said previously, this doesn’t matter at all.
I am fine answering your question. I don't feel selfish at all. I am following the rules of first come first served. I don't make the rules, and I am not breaking any rules. As mentioned, there are only about 20-25 people who camp out. The rail will hold at least 40 or more depending on the venue. There were people on the rail that came very early morning day of show. They won't get the center area, but they can get rail. I spend months planning everything out in order to do this.
Also, I went for most of the years seeing this band never getting GA. I always wanted it. 2022 was my first GA. Camden was my first rail. I decided that I wanted to try camping in Fort Worth. I had so much fun that I just continued with it. I can't feel selfish for something I work hard for. I am not just sauntering up and grabbing a spot on the rail.
Also, in 2024 I did 9 shows and had 3 shows in seats. This was my first year that I had GA for every show. So, I am going to go for it when I can. Those who know me well will attest that I am the least selfish person. I am actually quite generous. But I do believe in working hard for the things I want, and going for it.
At this point I think I have said everything I can say in this thread. Since most of the regular campers don't post much here, I think @chrrie and I have taken on the role of trying to defend and explain the accusations against our friends. At this point, I think I have said everything I can say about this topic. So, I hope you all understand a bit better.
@GlowGirl - do you feel like you are being selfish being front row so much? You can say you put the time in, but now if a local or traveling fan is okay lining up a day early, then the group goes to lining up two days early. That is selfish behavior in my view.
Not trying to be mean or anything. Like I said previously, this doesn’t matter at all.
I am fine answering your question. I don't feel selfish at all. I am following the rules of first come first served. I don't make the rules, and I am not breaking any rules. As mentioned, there are only about 20-25 people who camp out. The rail will hold at least 40 or more depending on the venue. There were people on the rail that came very early morning day of show. They won't get the center area, but they can get rail. I spend months planning everything out in order to do this.
Also, I went for most of the years seeing this band never getting GA. I always wanted it. 2022 was my first GA. Camden was my first rail. I decided that I wanted to try camping in Fort Worth. I had so much fun that I just continued with it. I can't feel selfish for something I work hard for. I am not just sauntering up and grabbing a spot on the rail.
Also, in 2024 I did 9 shows and had 3 shows in seats. This was my first year that I had GA for every show. So, I am going to go for it when I can. Those who know me well will attest that I am the least selfish person. I am actually quite generous. But I do believe in working hard for the things I want, and going for it.
dont feel bad...lot of this is tongue n cheek, we are bored ...some jealous
but the #d bracelets just alleviates 90% of this, until they create a scalpers market to guarantee rail..no perfect system, but perfection shouldnt be the goal
On Sunday we were what I thought was pretty close on Stone's side for most of the show. Ran to the bathrooms during DTE, then took a spot in back...only to discover we were only 4 or 5 spots from where we had started.
If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?
It really doesn't matter where you started the line. When the mafia showed in numbers they would set up in a different spot and tell you that their line is only real line. They will use whatever contacts they have within PJ or Arena security to make it so.
So what happens when the person who is first in the original line decides to put themselves first in the new mafia line?
@GlowGirl - do you feel like you are being selfish being front row so much? You can say you put the time in, but now if a local or traveling fan is okay lining up a day early, then the group goes to lining up two days early. That is selfish behavior in my view.
Not trying to be mean or anything. Like I said previously, this doesn’t matter at all.
I'm sorry, but that comment came out as mean, even if you had no intention to sound so. Nothing GG has said here sounds remotely selfish, and since I got to meet and hang with her - if van attest she has not done anything selfish on the line or the pit. You should get to know her. You'll see. She's such a lovely and friendly lady!
Definitely not selfish. As she said, she prepares and puts in the work. Whether your local or not, you need to be prepared to camp out on the sidewalk for a couple nights if you want to be up front. I know for me, personally, that is absolutely not something that I am willing to do lol. And if lots of people start showing up 2 days early, I can only assume the "rail mafia" will start lining up 3 days early lol.
I do hope that those 30-40 people who are on the rail have all been camping out and not being allowed in by friends or those in "control". I think that's what people are saying is happening.
And leaving show 1 early so you can be right back up front again for show 2 seems ridiculously silly to me. But if it works for them, have at it.
Time is money. If the front row seats went to the highest bidder and some rich person bought up all the tickets for them and their friends for every show, some would call that selfish. Well, time is money. Not everyone has 2 days to kill sleeping on a sidewalk, so spending your time or money to push others out is similar to me.
You had a great front row experience. There are only so many PJ shows. Perhaps let others have a chance to experience that. Seems selfish to me.
No jealousy here. Been front row. It is cool. But not necessary to enjoy the show. I've got pointed at, a guitar pick. I'm good. You can meet people at pre-parties. You can hang out at pre-parties. 99% of PJ friend groups were made outside of camping out for GA. You can all be together at the show anywhere in GA. What it comes down to is that these people want to be front row for every show.
How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
That's the real question that needs answering.
I answered this question above based on my experience.
Thanks! I appreciate your candor and willingness to share. I think circumstances and situations vary for everyone. It's clear you've put in a lot of effort to get the tickets you want, GA or seats, and are able to do so because of connections you've made and the time you can dedicate to doing so. I think that's true for a lot of things in life. I think sometimes it's hard to square that even when it comes to concert tickets, there is seemingly angles to be played that a lot of people don't have the ability to spend time on. I guess that's life and many would argue you have to work for what you want, but it's also true that the playing field is not level. There's also not really an option that's doesnt have some sort of advantage/disadvantage issue where someone won't feel screwed over based on what their situation is.
On Sunday we were what I thought was pretty close on Stone's side for most of the show. Ran to the bathrooms during DTE, then took a spot in back...only to discover we were only 4 or 5 spots from where we had started.
like Ricky Bobby said...if you aint 1st, you are last. Id much rather be towards the back/sides if not within 1st 5-6 heads
How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
That's the real question that needs answering.
I answered this question above based on my experience.
Thanks! I appreciate your candor and willingness to share. I think circumstances and situations vary for everyone. It's clear you've put in a lot of effort to get the tickets you want, GA or seats, and are able to do so because of connections you've made and the time you can dedicate to doing so. I think that's true for a lot of things in life. I think sometimes it's hard to square that even when it comes to concert tickets, there is seemingly angles to be played that a lot of people don't have the ability to spend time on. I guess that's life and many would argue you have to work for what you want, but it's also true that the playing field is not level. There's also not really an option that's doesnt have some sort of advantage/disadvantage issue where someone won't feel screwed over based on what their situation is.
Thanks. You are right that just like everything else in society, there are people who have advantages and disadvantages. As a woman in the U.S. right now I am well aware of that. But I appreciate the friends I have made and the network of people on this forum that are so kind and generous. That is most of you on here. What I don't get are the people who never try to make friends on here and show up only during tour time begging for tickets. To me that is someone who feels they are entitled. Like I said most of the regular campers are not on here, but they have the same type of extensive networks and friendship groups in Facebook. So, that is where most of them hang out. I am not on Facebook, so all of my PJ friends are on here. I love this place!
How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
I understand that but how do you the same folks always get GA ?
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How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
I understand that but how do you the same folks always get GA ?
She explained it a page back.
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How do they alwatd get to be up front. Ive seen this since 2000. Literally the same folks. It has to be a number thing
It’s not. It’s getting in line early. In many cases two days early. About 20-25 regular people including myself are willing to do this. There are no lists and no cutting the line that I have seen in terms of the people up front. We follow pretty strict rules about maintaining our spots. I have seen people being sent to the back of the line for going back to their hotel overnight, etc. Some people may think we are crazy for doing this but we are not entitled, we are not cheating the system, we are not rail mafia. We are just people willing to put more time and effort and planning into getting the rail than others. There is really not much more to it. And yes, sometimes issues crop up even amongst ourselves but there is no evil plot to keep others from the rail.
I think part of the issue is that @Chrrie and I are the few people from the regular campers that are active on the forum. So many of you forum regulars don’t know the others. But most of you know who I am and I hope my explanation helps a little.
the big qurstion is how you all get GA for every show when most of us go years without winning it.
That's the real question that needs answering.
I answered this question above based on my experience.
You guys have to remember there are a lot of PJ groups outside of the forum (including regular networking of friends over 20+ years) where people trade and share tickets on FB, Reddit etc. The more people you know personally for many years that are PJ super fans, the more ability to help each other out of the years. That’s how so many of the same people get GA. They know many people. Not a bad thing-just a thing. We’re all human beings.
Anyone else remember when the F5 system wasn't "fair" because not everyone had the time to sit and refresh for a few hours on a weekday to get tickets, and that a lottery was most "fair" way for everyone? Why is it any different for GA entry? Not everyone has the ability to camp out on a curb for hours or even days.
Now we have the worst of both worlds, a lottery to obtain tickets that doesn't seem quite random, and max effort for GA entry.
also be courteous to shorter people if you can, i always try and shift or let someone shorter in front of me
My daughter is like 5'3"...she's been in GA 2x and the people around and especially in front of her have been extremely generous and courteous. Always try to pay it forward.
also be courteous to shorter people if you can, i always try and shift or let someone shorter in front of me
My daughter is like 5'3"...she's been in GA 2x and the people around and especially in front of her have been extremely generous and courteous. Always try to pay it forward.
That must be so cool to see a show with your kid, I chickened out in life and never had any...but love seeing it at shows. Lady we sold a pair of 200s in PITT2 brought her son to his 1st PJ show. Was great talking to them
I'd say get rid of the camping element and treat the line as just a line to get into the venue and nothing more.
Open a single file line at an unannounced venue location 4 hours prior. If you need to eat/use the bathroom/get merch you leave and re-enter at the end of the line.
If I was determined to be first in line ahead of the regulars, how would I know where to start the line?
It really doesn't matter where you started the line. When the mafia showed in numbers they would set up in a different spot and tell you that their line is only real line. They will use whatever contacts they have within PJ or Arena security to make it so.
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but the #d bracelets just alleviates 90% of this, until they create a scalpers market to guarantee rail..no perfect system, but perfection shouldnt be the goal
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I do hope that those 30-40 people who are on the rail have all been camping out and not being allowed in by friends or those in "control". I think that's what people are saying is happening.
And leaving show 1 early so you can be right back up front again for show 2 seems ridiculously silly to me. But if it works for them, have at it.
You had a great front row experience. There are only so many PJ shows. Perhaps let others have a chance to experience that. Seems selfish to me.
No jealousy here. Been front row. It is cool. But not necessary to enjoy the show. I've got pointed at, a guitar pick. I'm good. You can meet people at pre-parties. You can hang out at pre-parties. 99% of PJ friend groups were made outside of camping out for GA. You can all be together at the show anywhere in GA. What it comes down to is that these people want to be front row for every show.
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Now we have the worst of both worlds, a lottery to obtain tickets that doesn't seem quite random, and max effort for GA entry.
But that's just me.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
i meant Ladies....Not if you are three horse jockies, I mean horse fuckers.....
Open a single file line at an unannounced venue location 4 hours prior. If you need to eat/use the bathroom/get merch you leave and re-enter at the end of the line.
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