Same folks up front

JeBurkhardt · May 12

Completely unacceptable. The entitlement of some of those "super fans" is obnoxious.

JoeyP21 · May 12

demetrios said:

on2legs said:

What did we miss? No Facebook over here.

This is disgusting.

josevolution · May 12

Glad I don’t deal with these folks anymore! And it’s the same people at every show

MayDay10 · May 12

I stopped going to shows, haven't been since 2018?

A lot is because of GA and the sense of competition and entitlement. There is a GA cartel and they are un-checked by the band management, despite years of reports.

lastexitlondon · May 12

Any names of these people?

pjhawks · May 12

Someone needs to start filming their behavior and post it.

nalyd61 · May 12

that group should be ashamed. How is this not being addressed by the band? their membership should be revoked,

JojoRice · May 12

Someone should take pictures of these entitled fools and call them out on here.

Go Animal · May 12

Streets is watching...

Go Animal · May 12

😒

Kwieneke · May 12

damn. That really sucks and is unfortunate to see

PJNB · May 12

It is not being addressed by the band because they are in close with the band and security. I am waiting to hear the other side of this story as there always is two sides though this is pretty damning.

In the meantime just taking a look at all the negative comments about them in that post by others who have experienced not so great interactions with them is really unfortunate to see.

There are a couple of great people in that group and one or two post here. I would be curious what there take is on all of this. The problem is if you step out of line with the pack you know what happens

dgpj92 · May 12

JojoRice said:

Someone should take pictures of these entitled fools and call them out on here.

In addition to the pictures, wonder if we'll get the other side of the story from someone who was there for this incident.

Go Animal · May 12

PJNB said:

It is not being addressed by the band because they are in close with the band and security. I am waiting to hear the other side of this story as there always is two sides though this is pretty damning.

In the meantime just taking a look at all the negative comments about them in that post by others who have experienced not so great interactions with them is really unfortunate to see.

There are a couple of great people in that group and one or two post here. I would be curious what there take is on all of this. The problem is if you step out of line with the pack you know what happens

💯

GlowGirl · May 12

I am not in Raleigh so I can’t speak to this incident. But I have been camping out and have been near the front of the GA line for all the other shows so far this tour. I have not seen any of this bad behavior. Everyone has been really nice and helpful and orderly when it comes to the line. People help each other out with food, merch, setting tents up, etc. It’s been really fun. The only altercation I saw was when a person tried to hold a spot for someone who didn’t stay out the whole time. He snuck her into the front of the line and security made her leave the line. Other than that there has been no issues that I could see. I’m sure some people have had bad experiences for whatever reason - but that is no reason to criticize a whole group of really nice people.

Go Animal · May 12

GlowGirl said:

I am not in Raleigh so I can’t speak to this incident. But I have been camping out and have been near the front of the GA line for all the other shows so far this tour. I have not seen any of this bad behavior. Everyone has been really nice and helpful and orderly when it comes to the line. People help each other out with food, merch, setting tents up, etc. It’s been really fun. The only altercation I saw was when a person tried to hold a spot for someone who didn’t stay out the whole time. He snuck her into the front of the line and security made her leave the line. Other than that there has been no issues that I could see. I’m sure some people have had bad experiences for whatever reason - but that is no reason to criticize a whole group of really nice people.

Speaking for myself, I don't lump you into the toxic/obsessed/entitled portion of the rail gang, M*****. You're hardcore (and even get seats sometimes to mix it up!) but this still happened, and incidents like it have happened before.

There's one older gentleman who I will refrain from mentioning his name who treats this as a club, and he's the elder/wise man/decision maker. You know who I'm talking about.

And unless we're friends with him, or help him & his crew get GA spares, we (the regular ass/semi-obsessed fans) are outcast & shunned. Like the poor bastard who posted on FB.

I absolutely believe the incident happened the way he wrote it, because he's not asking for anything. He just shared he experience & left. That's shameful.

Meanwhile, under the guise of familiarity, some regulars wield their influence to get everything they want. And people who dream of doing GA just ONCE (all-time, or in a long time) are left out, dejected & felt like they don't belong to the club.

I would rather piss off 5, 50, or 500 rail gang fans & help get things changed up, than have ONE fan feeling the way that guy feels today.

josevolution · May 12

Funny though the band said it was tired of seeing the same folks up front at their shows and that’s exactly what has happened since GA was implemented! At least when they did have reserved seating up front rows 1&2 and 7&8 gave a chance to put random folks up front that doesn’t happen anymore

pjsyco · May 12

https://youtu.be/iudmMgbAAmI?si=dD3dwc-mA4ZnQ7wA

GlowGirl · May 12

Go Animal said:

GlowGirl said:

I am not in Raleigh so I can’t speak to this incident. But I have been camping out and have been near the front of the GA line for all the other shows so far this tour. I have not seen any of this bad behavior. Everyone has been really nice and helpful and orderly when it comes to the line. People help each other out with food, merch, setting tents up, etc. It’s been really fun. The only altercation I saw was when a person tried to hold a spot for someone who didn’t stay out the whole time. He snuck her into the front of the line and security made her leave the line. Other than that there has been no issues that I could see. I’m sure some people have had bad experiences for whatever reason - but that is no reason to criticize a whole group of really nice people.

Speaking for myself, I don't lump you into the toxic/obsessed/entitled portion of the rail gang, M*****. You're hardcore (and even get seats sometimes to mix it up!) but this still happened, and incidents like it have happened before.

There's one older gentleman who I will refrain from mentioning his name who treats this as a club, and he's the elder/wise man/decision maker. You know who I'm talking about.

And unless we're friends with him, or help him & his crew get GA spares, we (the regular ass/semi-obsessed fans) are outcast & shunned. Like the poor bastard who posted on FB.

I absolutely believe the incident happened the way he wrote it, because he's not asking for anything. He just shared he experience & left. That's shameful.

Meanwhile, under the guise of familiarity, some regulars wield their influence to get everything they want. And people who dream of doing GA just ONCE (all-time, or in a long time) are left out, dejected & felt like they don't belong to the club.

I would rather piss off 5, 50, or 500 rail gang fans & help get things changed up, than have ONE fan feeling the way that guy feels today.

Thanks for the kind words. Like I said, I wasn’t there so I don’t know the other side of the story. I just can’t imagine the people I know who were queuing up acting like that. During this tour there have been several people new to camping and the group and they were wholeheartedly welcomed. I can only speak from my own experiences. Obviously, everyone has different views and experiences. But most of the people who camp out in the queue are good people. I really have to stress that point.

PJNB · May 12

GlowGirl said:

Go Animal said:

GlowGirl said:

I am not in Raleigh so I can’t speak to this incident. But I have been camping out and have been near the front of the GA line for all the other shows so far this tour. I have not seen any of this bad behavior. Everyone has been really nice and helpful and orderly when it comes to the line. People help each other out with food, merch, setting tents up, etc. It’s been really fun. The only altercation I saw was when a person tried to hold a spot for someone who didn’t stay out the whole time. He snuck her into the front of the line and security made her leave the line. Other than that there has been no issues that I could see. I’m sure some people have had bad experiences for whatever reason - but that is no reason to criticize a whole group of really nice people.

Speaking for myself, I don't lump you into the toxic/obsessed/entitled portion of the rail gang, M*****. You're hardcore (and even get seats sometimes to mix it up!) but this still happened, and incidents like it have happened before.

There's one older gentleman who I will refrain from mentioning his name who treats this as a club, and he's the elder/wise man/decision maker. You know who I'm talking about.

And unless we're friends with him, or help him & his crew get GA spares, we (the regular ass/semi-obsessed fans) are outcast & shunned. Like the poor bastard who posted on FB.

I absolutely believe the incident happened the way he wrote it, because he's not asking for anything. He just shared he experience & left. That's shameful.

Meanwhile, under the guise of familiarity, some regulars wield their influence to get everything they want. And people who dream of doing GA just ONCE (all-time, or in a long time) are left out, dejected & felt like they don't belong to the club.

I would rather piss off 5, 50, or 500 rail gang fans & help get things changed up, than have ONE fan feeling the way that guy feels today.

Thanks for the kind words. Like I said, I wasn’t there so I don’t know the other side of the story. I just can’t imagine the people I know who were queuing up acting like that. During this tour there have been several people new to camping and the group and they were wholeheartedly welcomed. I can only speak from my own experiences. Obviously, everyone has different views and experiences. But most of the people who camp out in the queue are good people. I really have to stress that point.

Were the new people at the front of the line?

lastexitlondon · May 12

I've seen both sides over the years just with different or a new leader kind of person.
I haven't queued for a long while now so this situation I ve no experience with lately.
But as GlowGirl says mostly only really great kind people.
It's sad if people are getting abused that's not right.

GlowGirl · May 12

PJNB said:

GlowGirl said:

Go Animal said:

GlowGirl said:

I am not in Raleigh so I can’t speak to this incident. But I have been camping out and have been near the front of the GA line for all the other shows so far this tour. I have not seen any of this bad behavior. Everyone has been really nice and helpful and orderly when it comes to the line. People help each other out with food, merch, setting tents up, etc. It’s been really fun. The only altercation I saw was when a person tried to hold a spot for someone who didn’t stay out the whole time. He snuck her into the front of the line and security made her leave the line. Other than that there has been no issues that I could see. I’m sure some people have had bad experiences for whatever reason - but that is no reason to criticize a whole group of really nice people.

Speaking for myself, I don't lump you into the toxic/obsessed/entitled portion of the rail gang, M*****. You're hardcore (and even get seats sometimes to mix it up!) but this still happened, and incidents like it have happened before.

There's one older gentleman who I will refrain from mentioning his name who treats this as a club, and he's the elder/wise man/decision maker. You know who I'm talking about.

And unless we're friends with him, or help him & his crew get GA spares, we (the regular ass/semi-obsessed fans) are outcast & shunned. Like the poor bastard who posted on FB.

I absolutely believe the incident happened the way he wrote it, because he's not asking for anything. He just shared he experience & left. That's shameful.

Meanwhile, under the guise of familiarity, some regulars wield their influence to get everything they want. And people who dream of doing GA just ONCE (all-time, or in a long time) are left out, dejected & felt like they don't belong to the club.

I would rather piss off 5, 50, or 500 rail gang fans & help get things changed up, than have ONE fan feeling the way that guy feels today.

Thanks for the kind words. Like I said, I wasn’t there so I don’t know the other side of the story. I just can’t imagine the people I know who were queuing up acting like that. During this tour there have been several people new to camping and the group and they were wholeheartedly welcomed. I can only speak from my own experiences. Obviously, everyone has different views and experiences. But most of the people who camp out in the queue are good people. I really have to stress that point.

Were the new people at the front of the line?

Top 15-20. Maybe not first in line but some were ahead of the regulars.

Also, the older man that was referred to above - if I am thinking of the same person - was instrumental in finding us a place to settle for the night in Nashville after we got moved a few times. So someone does have to help organize the queue or it would become chaotic. I was grateful for those that spoke to the cops, venue, security, etc. to find us a safe place to queue. I am sorry though if someone was made to feel excluded to the point of leaving. That should never happen.

PJNB · May 12

GlowGirl said:

PJNB said:

GlowGirl said:

Go Animal said:

GlowGirl said:

I am not in Raleigh so I can’t speak to this incident. But I have been camping out and have been near the front of the GA line for all the other shows so far this tour. I have not seen any of this bad behavior. Everyone has been really nice and helpful and orderly when it comes to the line. People help each other out with food, merch, setting tents up, etc. It’s been really fun. The only altercation I saw was when a person tried to hold a spot for someone who didn’t stay out the whole time. He snuck her into the front of the line and security made her leave the line. Other than that there has been no issues that I could see. I’m sure some people have had bad experiences for whatever reason - but that is no reason to criticize a whole group of really nice people.

Speaking for myself, I don't lump you into the toxic/obsessed/entitled portion of the rail gang, M*****. You're hardcore (and even get seats sometimes to mix it up!) but this still happened, and incidents like it have happened before.

There's one older gentleman who I will refrain from mentioning his name who treats this as a club, and he's the elder/wise man/decision maker. You know who I'm talking about.

And unless we're friends with him, or help him & his crew get GA spares, we (the regular ass/semi-obsessed fans) are outcast & shunned. Like the poor bastard who posted on FB.

I absolutely believe the incident happened the way he wrote it, because he's not asking for anything. He just shared he experience & left. That's shameful.

Meanwhile, under the guise of familiarity, some regulars wield their influence to get everything they want. And people who dream of doing GA just ONCE (all-time, or in a long time) are left out, dejected & felt like they don't belong to the club.

I would rather piss off 5, 50, or 500 rail gang fans & help get things changed up, than have ONE fan feeling the way that guy feels today.

Thanks for the kind words. Like I said, I wasn’t there so I don’t know the other side of the story. I just can’t imagine the people I know who were queuing up acting like that. During this tour there have been several people new to camping and the group and they were wholeheartedly welcomed. I can only speak from my own experiences. Obviously, everyone has different views and experiences. But most of the people who camp out in the queue are good people. I really have to stress that point.

Were the new people at the front of the line?

Top 15-20. Maybe not first in line but some were ahead of the regulars.

That first spot means so much to some it seems.

nicknyr15 · May 12

Weird and creepy behavior.

SPEEDY MCCREADY · May 12

nicknyr15 said:

Weird and creepy behavior.

They have been weird and creepy for 20+ years. And the fact that they think they are "special" truly makes them pieces of human garbage.

Leezestarr313 · May 12

GlowGirl said:

Go Animal said:

There's one older gentleman who I will refrain from mentioning his name who treats this as a club, and he's the elder/wise man/decision maker. You know who I'm talking about.

Call him out. WTF is this, are we at school? I am so glad I was never a rail hog. I would still like the old front row lottery back. I thought it was cool to only know at the venue where you ended up.

BSully · May 12

1. I can't imagine having enough free time to stand in line for 2 days before a show, but more power to those that can.
2. I can't imagine other humans treating each other poorly for being in line in front of them. I've had the luck of getting GA one time and I only spent a few hours in line, had a great view and were around some amazing people for the evening. (St. Louis in '22)

RE4790 · May 12

I have no dog in this fight but I do roll my eyes at seeing the same people in the same spot at every show now. Maybe not in the spirit of what the band and music about. philosophically I would caution against posting pictures and/or naming and shaming folks online or using social ostracization as punishment. That gets dark quickly

Vedder4Prez · May 12

nalyd61 said:

that group should be ashamed. How is this not being addressed by the band? their membership should be revoked,

Their membership should be revoked for also doing pass backs on wristbands. I've seen it happen multiple times. Then they walk the solo person up through everyone and squeeze them on the rail. Easy to see when one person doesn't have that night's wristband

Hey Pearl Jam! Add a stamp when you get the wristband. Simple solution. But guessing these people dont shower so they will just keep them from the show before. Can't cost much to do a nightly stamp unique to the show.

And yes.. I saw someone in this known group do this in Nashville

Vedder4Prez · May 12

I wish PJ security would find this fan and escort him to front and center before everyone walks in tomorrow night.

Same folks up front

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