brianlux said:

The brutal truth about Democrats.  Tell me Drew Magary is wrong... if you can.  I don't see how that is could be done.  I think this nails it.

Hey Democrats, wake the f—k up

SFGATE columnist Drew Magary on the ineptitude of the Democratic Party

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/hey-democrats-wake-up-20219559.php?sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=briefing&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

The brutal truth about Democrats.  Tell me Drew Magary is wrong... if you can.  I don't see how that is could be done.  I think this nails it.

Hey Democrats, wake the f—k up

SFGATE columnist Drew Magary on the ineptitude of the Democratic Party

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/hey-democrats-wake-up-20219559.php?sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=briefing&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

Brian - I like you a lot and you have a great heart.  But this opinion piece is brain-candy bullshit.  It's pretty easy to sling mud when you lose an election by 1.5% and now everyone is an asshole and sucks.  But how did this advance any cause one iota?  It doesn't.  He doesn't say one, solitary constructive thing in here.  What's his value?  He has none.  He has less value than Newsome and everyone else he disparages.  

True, the article is a rant.  But if that's what it takes to wake Democrats up, I'm good with that.  I have tried very hard to stand by the Democratic party of which I belong.  But that weak nonsense with the paddles was the turning point for me.  That little demonstration of somber faces and ping pong paddles was the quintessential look of weakness.  If we don't start moving the needle, we are going to lose Democracy and some of us will spend the rest of our lives living under tyranny.  You don't want that, right?

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

The brutal truth about Democrats.  Tell me Drew Magary is wrong... if you can.  I don't see how that is could be done.  I think this nails it.

Hey Democrats, wake the f—k up

SFGATE columnist Drew Magary on the ineptitude of the Democratic Party

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/hey-democrats-wake-up-20219559.php?sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=briefing&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

I read that entire thing, and I'm not sure what it is democrats are expected to do here? Magary essentially praises trump's ability to get a stranglehold on hate, and then expects democrats to do...what? the same? the opposite? it's incredibly difficult to fight the hatred and anger people feel towards the government. Dems are in a shit place right now because trump has convinced millions of people the US is a shit place to be right now, at the same time the greatest country in the world (who are these mushbrains, anyway?) , and dems are expected to gain the same cultism through...positivity? Cuz surely we don't want dems to peddle in the same mud puddle as trump and tap into the nastiness of people. You know what people call it when they do? RADICALS. COMMUNISTS. And the middle believes them. It's like that saying, you can't win playing chess with a pigeon. You just can't. And expecting some magical big solution two months after inauguration is just unrealistic. 

But is continuing to look weak the answer? If you don't see Magary's viewpoint worthy, and don't believe in living in an Oligarchy and tyranny (I know you don't), then what should we be doing?

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

The brutal truth about Democrats.  Tell me Drew Magary is wrong... if you can.  I don't see how that is could be done.  I think this nails it.

Hey Democrats, wake the f—k up

SFGATE columnist Drew Magary on the ineptitude of the Democratic Party

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/hey-democrats-wake-up-20219559.php?sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=briefing&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

Brian - I like you a lot and you have a great heart.  But this opinion piece is brain-candy bullshit.  It's pretty easy to sling mud when you lose an election by 1.5% and now everyone is an asshole and sucks.  But how did this advance any cause one iota?  It doesn't.  He doesn't say one, solitary constructive thing in here.  What's his value?  He has none.  He has less value than Newsome and everyone else he disparages.  

True, the article is a rant.  But if that's what it takes to wake Democrats up, I'm good with that.  I have tried very hard to stand by the Democratic party of which I belong.  But that weak nonsense with the paddles was the turning point for me.  That little demonstration of somber faces and ping pong paddles was the quintessential look of weakness.  If we don't start moving the needle, we are going to lose Democracy and some of us will spend the rest of our lives living under tyranny.  You don't want that, right?

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

The brutal truth about Democrats.  Tell me Drew Magary is wrong... if you can.  I don't see how that is could be done.  I think this nails it.

Hey Democrats, wake the f—k up

SFGATE columnist Drew Magary on the ineptitude of the Democratic Party

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/hey-democrats-wake-up-20219559.php?sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=briefing&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

I read that entire thing, and I'm not sure what it is democrats are expected to do here? Magary essentially praises trump's ability to get a stranglehold on hate, and then expects democrats to do...what? the same? the opposite? it's incredibly difficult to fight the hatred and anger people feel towards the government. Dems are in a shit place right now because trump has convinced millions of people the US is a shit place to be right now, at the same time the greatest country in the world (who are these mushbrains, anyway?) , and dems are expected to gain the same cultism through...positivity? Cuz surely we don't want dems to peddle in the same mud puddle as trump and tap into the nastiness of people. You know what people call it when they do? RADICALS. COMMUNISTS. And the middle believes them. It's like that saying, you can't win playing chess with a pigeon. You just can't. And expecting some magical big solution two months after inauguration is just unrealistic. 

But is continuing to look weak the answer? If you don't see Magary's viewpoint worthy, and don't believe in living in an Oligarchy and tyranny (I know you don't), then what should we be doing?

Brian - what does "strong" look like when you don't control the House or the Senate?  

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

The brutal truth about Democrats.  Tell me Drew Magary is wrong... if you can.  I don't see how that is could be done.  I think this nails it.

Hey Democrats, wake the f—k up

SFGATE columnist Drew Magary on the ineptitude of the Democratic Party

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/hey-democrats-wake-up-20219559.php?sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=briefing&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

Brian - I like you a lot and you have a great heart.  But this opinion piece is brain-candy bullshit.  It's pretty easy to sling mud when you lose an election by 1.5% and now everyone is an asshole and sucks.  But how did this advance any cause one iota?  It doesn't.  He doesn't say one, solitary constructive thing in here.  What's his value?  He has none.  He has less value than Newsome and everyone else he disparages.  

True, the article is a rant.  But if that's what it takes to wake Democrats up, I'm good with that.  I have tried very hard to stand by the Democratic party of which I belong.  But that weak nonsense with the paddles was the turning point for me.  That little demonstration of somber faces and ping pong paddles was the quintessential look of weakness.  If we don't start moving the needle, we are going to lose Democracy and some of us will spend the rest of our lives living under tyranny.  You don't want that, right?

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

The brutal truth about Democrats.  Tell me Drew Magary is wrong... if you can.  I don't see how that is could be done.  I think this nails it.

Hey Democrats, wake the f—k up

SFGATE columnist Drew Magary on the ineptitude of the Democratic Party

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/hey-democrats-wake-up-20219559.php?sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=briefing&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

I read that entire thing, and I'm not sure what it is democrats are expected to do here? Magary essentially praises trump's ability to get a stranglehold on hate, and then expects democrats to do...what? the same? the opposite? it's incredibly difficult to fight the hatred and anger people feel towards the government. Dems are in a shit place right now because trump has convinced millions of people the US is a shit place to be right now, at the same time the greatest country in the world (who are these mushbrains, anyway?) , and dems are expected to gain the same cultism through...positivity? Cuz surely we don't want dems to peddle in the same mud puddle as trump and tap into the nastiness of people. You know what people call it when they do? RADICALS. COMMUNISTS. And the middle believes them. It's like that saying, you can't win playing chess with a pigeon. You just can't. And expecting some magical big solution two months after inauguration is just unrealistic. 

But is continuing to look weak the answer? If you don't see Magary's viewpoint worthy, and don't believe in living in an Oligarchy and tyranny (I know you don't), then what should we be doing?

Brian - what does "strong" look like when you don't control the House or the Senate?  

Strong looks more like confronting and calling out bullshit, not sitting still with a blank stare while holding up a little paddle.  Did you not find that utterly embarrassing?  I sure did.

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I agree their stupid stunts like the collective kneel and the paddles needs to go. It's performative and stupid. I don't have the answers. But rants like that doesn't exactly provide them either. It's just a guy blowing off steam, trying to make himself seem smarter than them. As a good leader always says, come at me with solutions, not problems. 

I don't have the answers, my friend.  But these people are paid a shit load of money to do their job, one which they are supposedly well trained for.  I don't expect our congress people to know how to identify a true first edition book like a good bookseller is capable of doing, or know how to use a circle of fifths to organize chromatic pitches and their corresponding keys the way a trained musician is capable of doing, but I do expect them to know how to respond to apolitical bullshit spewed out of the mouths of bully tyrants. 

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I agree their stupid stunts like the collective kneel and the paddles needs to go. It's performative and stupid. I don't have the answers. But rants like that doesn't exactly provide them either. It's just a guy blowing off steam, trying to make himself seem smarter than them. As a good leader always says, come at me with solutions, not problems. 

I don't have the answers, my friend.  But these people are paid a shit load of money to do their job, one which they are supposedly well trained for.  I don't expect our congress people to know how to identify a true first edition book like a good bookseller is capable of doing, or know how to use a circle of fifths to organize chromatic pitches and their corresponding keys the way a trained musician is capable of doing, but I do expect them to know how to respond to apolitical bullshit spewed out of the mouths of bully tyrants. 

I think you are mistaken.  House members are not all that well paid and they are certainly not trained for their job.  Do you see these elected officials?  I wouldn't hire a good chunk of them for the mail room.  

Man, in my world, this is a shit load of money:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I agree their stupid stunts like the collective kneel and the paddles needs to go. It's performative and stupid. I don't have the answers. But rants like that doesn't exactly provide them either. It's just a guy blowing off steam, trying to make himself seem smarter than them. As a good leader always says, come at me with solutions, not problems. 

I don't have the answers, my friend.  But these people are paid a shit load of money to do their job, one which they are supposedly well trained for.  I don't expect our congress people to know how to identify a true first edition book like a good bookseller is capable of doing, or know how to use a circle of fifths to organize chromatic pitches and their corresponding keys the way a trained musician is capable of doing, but I do expect them to know how to respond to apolitical bullshit spewed out of the mouths of bully tyrants. 

I think you are mistaken.  House members are not all that well paid and they are certainly not trained for their job.  Do you see these elected officials?  I wouldn't hire a good chunk of them for the mail room.  

Man, in my world, this is a shit load of money:

A mid-level manager in a big corporation, in a decent size city, makes that before bonus and other comps.  If you live in a rural, smaller city, I would agree it's a lot.  If you are a member of congress, you have to have two residences.  Rent is expensive in DC.   

We are in a semi-rural area and the average home here runs around $650,000.  Its a California thing. 

In any case, it's not the salary or the cost of living that is the issue.  The issue is the responsibility that goes with the job.  If they don't want the responsibility, don't take the job.  Personally, I've done various kinds of work ranging from menial labor, to managerial, to professional, and I have always believed that if you get paid to do a job, you do it well.  Hell, I worked my best years ago when I volunteered 1,000 hours at our Community Health Library.  I took my father seriously when he taught me, "Any job worth doing is worth doing well." Hack or pack.