Middle East ......

DarthMaeglin · February 8

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

Since I always get it wrong, what am I supposed to infer from the link you provided that only provides statistics for one side and doesn’t really speak to the conditions both of captivity and the captives themselves?

I was talking about the numbers released today.

HughFreakingDillon · February 8

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

Since I always get it wrong, what am I supposed to infer from the link you provided that only provides statistics for one side and doesn’t really speak to the conditions both of captivity and the captives themselves?

I was talking about the numbers released today.

since you were so concerned about the ratio of those released, I thought you might like to see the ratio of those detained. Adds perspective.

DarthMaeglin · February 8

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

Since I always get it wrong, what am I supposed to infer from the link you provided that only provides statistics for one side and doesn’t really speak to the conditions both of captivity and the captives themselves?

I was talking about the numbers released today.

since you were so concerned about the ratio of those released, I thought you might like to see the ratio of those detained. Adds perspective.

But you provided no ratio that I could read.

Here’s a different way of comparing, some pictures from today. Tell me which is of which group.

mickeyrat · February 8

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

Since I always get it wrong, what am I supposed to infer from the link you provided that only provides statistics for one side and doesn’t really speak to the conditions both of captivity and the captives themselves?

I was talking about the numbers released today.

since you were so concerned about the ratio of those released, I thought you might like to see the ratio of those detained. Adds perspective.

But you provided no ratio that I could read.

Here’s a different way of comparing, some pictures from today. Tell me which is of which group.

imagine how they'd look if aid was allowed through in sufficient quantities. prob thing but not this thin I'd imagine.

HughFreakingDillon · February 9

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

Since I always get it wrong, what am I supposed to infer from the link you provided that only provides statistics for one side and doesn’t really speak to the conditions both of captivity and the captives themselves?

I was talking about the numbers released today.

since you were so concerned about the ratio of those released, I thought you might like to see the ratio of those detained. Adds perspective.

But you provided no ratio that I could read.

Here’s a different way of comparing, some pictures from today. Tell me which is of which group.

they are alive. not so for the tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children blown to smithereens. And you know how many Israelis were taken hostage on Oct 7. 240. 1200+ killed.

battle1 · February 9

Halifax2TheMax said:

battle1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

battle1 said:

But you have your internet posse. None of you would have the balls to show up here.

Well, if any of us went to the doctor or had a school nurse confirm our gender, that would be true.

No surprise at all that you never played organized sports. Anyone who didn’t know you had to take a physical to play sports, likely would be the same people who have 40k posts in a pearl jam forum. Alright ill check back after a few more.

GET THE FUCK OUT OF SYRIA

There are things you know and things you think you know but don’t. Thanks for the laugh. Do a shot for me, will ya?

For you Max, sure. What do you like? We will do a shot to Syria.

Halifax2TheMax · February 9

battle1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

battle1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

battle1 said:

But you have your internet posse. None of you would have the balls to show up here.

Well, if any of us went to the doctor or had a school nurse confirm our gender, that would be true.

No surprise at all that you never played organized sports. Anyone who didn’t know you had to take a physical to play sports, likely would be the same people who have 40k posts in a pearl jam forum. Alright ill check back after a few more.

GET THE FUCK OUT OF SYRIA

There are things you know and things you think you know but don’t. Thanks for the laugh. Do a shot for me, will ya?

For you Max, sure. What do you like? We will do a shot to Syria.

Patron. For Syrian independence and peace. No training wheels.

DarthMaeglin · February 9

mickeyrat said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

Since I always get it wrong, what am I supposed to infer from the link you provided that only provides statistics for one side and doesn’t really speak to the conditions both of captivity and the captives themselves?

I was talking about the numbers released today.

since you were so concerned about the ratio of those released, I thought you might like to see the ratio of those detained. Adds perspective.

But you provided no ratio that I could read.

Here’s a different way of comparing, some pictures from today. Tell me which is of which group.

imagine how they'd look if aid was allowed through in sufficient quantities. prob thing but not this thin I'd imagine.

I strongly disagree. Look at the Hamas fighters, they look quite healthy and the hostages are in their care presumably.

DarthMaeglin · February 9

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

Since I always get it wrong, what am I supposed to infer from the link you provided that only provides statistics for one side and doesn’t really speak to the conditions both of captivity and the captives themselves?

I was talking about the numbers released today.

since you were so concerned about the ratio of those released, I thought you might like to see the ratio of those detained. Adds perspective.

But you provided no ratio that I could read.

Here’s a different way of comparing, some pictures from today. Tell me which is of which group.

they are alive. not so for the tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children blown to smithereens. And you know how many Israelis were taken hostage on Oct 7. 240. 1200+ killed.

So now we’re back to the ratio of deaths as opposed to citizens released? Why shift the goalposts?

I’m just going to say (again, bluntly this time) Hamas is getting pretty good bang for their hostage bucks, and leave it at that.

mickeyrat · February 9

deal agreed to was the same one proffered in July. Bibi needed to keep his citizens in their hands. unnecessarily delayed all of this, simpmy to further reduce the area to rubble and destroy more critical infrastructure, like the remainkng hospitals etc.

widely reported and BRAGGED about that the now president hosted bibi well before the election.

.its always been in bibi's power to end this sooner than he CHOSE to.

josevolution · February 9

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/08/us/politics/trump-israel-arms-weapons.html

So 8 billion for Israel how much will he send for the relocation and housing of the 1.8 million Palestinians refugees that no one wants to take in?

Lerxst1992 · February 9

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And there it is, any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Why don’t you just admit it? That “river to the sea” is an Israeli construct and one you’d like to see to fruition. Just admit it and stop pretending you’re for a two state solution. Honesty works both ways.

Because it’s the truth. This is the one war where you get to use the g word. I keep suggesting ideas for peace, and your side continues lying endlessly with baseless attacks.

Keep supporting Iran, see how that solves the mid east problem.

While I suggest a better deal for Palestine than what Japan and West Germany accepted, and get attacked.

Wonder why.

so, to understand, you are making no distinction between the average Palestinian citizen and Hamas.

Hamas who gained power in the last election. held in 2007? was it?

so all those too young to vote then and born since are painted with the terrorist label then?

care to answer? its been ignored before. so I'm not hopeful.

My idea addressed this. Palestine should get a plan for autonomy, like Japan and Germany and many other countries that have successfully transitioned away from authoritarianism. They also need to negotiate, to give and take to achieve a treaty for peace , as does Israel.

But there needs to be temporary oversight to ensure money and power does not end up in the hands of Iran and their proxies, as has occurred in the past. Those too young to have voted in 2007 are going to stand up against Iran? Without support and oversight from other nations in the region like Jordan, Egypt and the Saudis?

istael retreats to the 67 borders. to live within tbe borders as set by the un.
Palestine is a wholey soveriegn nation.

end of negotiations

and no. you did not answer the question as posed.

DO YOU EQUATE ALL PALESTINIANS WITH HAMAS. very fucking simple. yes or no is sufficient. as I recall I've asked this of you several times. ducked it everytime, including now.

The 2023 war has no ramnifications,

the 1967 war has no ramnifications.

Give nothing, get nothing, other than perpetual war.

Israel should retreat to 1967 borders five minutes after Indiana retreats to the 1809 borders

Edit,

we are actually in agreement, as before the 1967 invasion of Israel from the West Bank (according to palestinian supporters, should have zero ramnifications) pre 1967 the West Bank was controlled by Jordan, which almost exactly aligns with my proposal for peace.

mickeyrat · February 9

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And there it is, any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Why don’t you just admit it? That “river to the sea” is an Israeli construct and one you’d like to see to fruition. Just admit it and stop pretending you’re for a two state solution. Honesty works both ways.

Because it’s the truth. This is the one war where you get to use the g word. I keep suggesting ideas for peace, and your side continues lying endlessly with baseless attacks.

Keep supporting Iran, see how that solves the mid east problem.

While I suggest a better deal for Palestine than what Japan and West Germany accepted, and get attacked.

Wonder why.

so, to understand, you are making no distinction between the average Palestinian citizen and Hamas.

Hamas who gained power in the last election. held in 2007? was it?

so all those too young to vote then and born since are painted with the terrorist label then?

care to answer? its been ignored before. so I'm not hopeful.

My idea addressed this. Palestine should get a plan for autonomy, like Japan and Germany and many other countries that have successfully transitioned away from authoritarianism. They also need to negotiate, to give and take to achieve a treaty for peace , as does Israel.

But there needs to be temporary oversight to ensure money and power does not end up in the hands of Iran and their proxies, as has occurred in the past. Those too young to have voted in 2007 are going to stand up against Iran? Without support and oversight from other nations in the region like Jordan, Egypt and the Saudis?

istael retreats to the 67 borders. to live within tbe borders as set by the un.
Palestine is a wholey soveriegn nation.

end of negotiations

and no. you did not answer the question as posed.

DO YOU EQUATE ALL PALESTINIANS WITH HAMAS. very fucking simple. yes or no is sufficient. as I recall I've asked this of you several times. ducked it everytime, including now.

The 2023 war has no ramnifications,

the 1967 war has no ramnifications.

Give nothing, get nothing, other than perpetual war.

Israel should retreat to 1967 borders five minutes after Indiana retreats to the 1809 borders

Edit,

we are actually in agreement, as before the 1967 invasion of Israel from the West Bank (according to palestinian supporters, should have zero ramnifications) pre 1967 the West Bank was controlled by Jordan, which almost exactly aligns with my proposal for peace.

point being the illegal settlers AND the government sponsored ones can live within the 67 borders.

AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED A SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION. YOUR SILENCE ON THAT IS DEAFENING.

Lerxst1992 · February 10

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And there it is, any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Why don’t you just admit it? That “river to the sea” is an Israeli construct and one you’d like to see to fruition. Just admit it and stop pretending you’re for a two state solution. Honesty works both ways.

Because it’s the truth. This is the one war where you get to use the g word. I keep suggesting ideas for peace, and your side continues lying endlessly with baseless attacks.

Keep supporting Iran, see how that solves the mid east problem.

While I suggest a better deal for Palestine than what Japan and West Germany accepted, and get attacked.

Wonder why.

so, to understand, you are making no distinction between the average Palestinian citizen and Hamas.

Hamas who gained power in the last election. held in 2007? was it?

so all those too young to vote then and born since are painted with the terrorist label then?

care to answer? its been ignored before. so I'm not hopeful.

My idea addressed this. Palestine should get a plan for autonomy, like Japan and Germany and many other countries that have successfully transitioned away from authoritarianism. They also need to negotiate, to give and take to achieve a treaty for peace , as does Israel.

But there needs to be temporary oversight to ensure money and power does not end up in the hands of Iran and their proxies, as has occurred in the past. Those too young to have voted in 2007 are going to stand up against Iran? Without support and oversight from other nations in the region like Jordan, Egypt and the Saudis?

istael retreats to the 67 borders. to live within tbe borders as set by the un.
Palestine is a wholey soveriegn nation.

end of negotiations

and no. you did not answer the question as posed.

DO YOU EQUATE ALL PALESTINIANS WITH HAMAS. very fucking simple. yes or no is sufficient. as I recall I've asked this of you several times. ducked it everytime, including now.

The 2023 war has no ramnifications,

the 1967 war has no ramnifications.

Give nothing, get nothing, other than perpetual war.

Israel should retreat to 1967 borders five minutes after Indiana retreats to the 1809 borders

Edit,

we are actually in agreement, as before the 1967 invasion of Israel from the West Bank (according to palestinian supporters, should have zero ramnifications) pre 1967 the West Bank was controlled by Jordan, which almost exactly aligns with my proposal for peace.

point being the illegal settlers AND the government sponsored ones can live within the 67 borders.

AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED A SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION. YOUR SILENCE ON THAT IS DEAFENING.

I did. But all you want is a war and an argument. And to punish the nation you hate. The pre 1967 borders were controlled by Jordan, which is almost exactly my proposal for peace now. But your kind isn’t interested in peace

The choice is simple, have Palestine in a transition controlled by peaceful nations which leads to independence, or have them be independent immediately and let Iran walk in as they have done in the past. You want that because you support perpetual war.

The 1967 borders existed then but do not now for a specific reason. Jordan was a big reason the 1967 borders were eliminated, but since then they have since shown a track record for peace. The people you support do not have that track record. You have zero interest in peace. And the people you support have zero track record respecting the 67 borders. This is a detailed answer to your question.

the people of Japan and Germany, aided by transitional governments with oversight, as a result of the actions of their government that initiated wars. This led to peace and prosperity, something you have zero interest in.

Only one group of people are subject to this harsh interpretation of international law and fairness. Wonder why

Please keep your anger off this forum. Some may have deaf people in their family, and be offended by your language. But what do you care only what you see in the mirror matters.

HughFreakingDillon · February 10

More of this “you hate jews” bullshit. It’s almost like you have to believe that in order to hold the views you do, or your entire premise falls apart.

HughFreakingDillon · February 10

“Slilence is deafening” is offensive now? THIS IS WHY THE DEMOCRATS LOST 😂

battle1 · February 10

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And there it is, any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Why don’t you just admit it? That “river to the sea” is an Israeli construct and one you’d like to see to fruition. Just admit it and stop pretending you’re for a two state solution. Honesty works both ways.

Because it’s the truth. This is the one war where you get to use the g word. I keep suggesting ideas for peace, and your side continues lying endlessly with baseless attacks.

Keep supporting Iran, see how that solves the mid east problem.

While I suggest a better deal for Palestine than what Japan and West Germany accepted, and get attacked.

Wonder why.

so, to understand, you are making no distinction between the average Palestinian citizen and Hamas.

Hamas who gained power in the last election. held in 2007? was it?

so all those too young to vote then and born since are painted with the terrorist label then?

care to answer? its been ignored before. so I'm not hopeful.

My idea addressed this. Palestine should get a plan for autonomy, like Japan and Germany and many other countries that have successfully transitioned away from authoritarianism. They also need to negotiate, to give and take to achieve a treaty for peace , as does Israel.

But there needs to be temporary oversight to ensure money and power does not end up in the hands of Iran and their proxies, as has occurred in the past. Those too young to have voted in 2007 are going to stand up against Iran? Without support and oversight from other nations in the region like Jordan, Egypt and the Saudis?

istael retreats to the 67 borders. to live within tbe borders as set by the un.
Palestine is a wholey soveriegn nation.

end of negotiations

and no. you did not answer the question as posed.

DO YOU EQUATE ALL PALESTINIANS WITH HAMAS. very fucking simple. yes or no is sufficient. as I recall I've asked this of you several times. ducked it everytime, including now.

The 2023 war has no ramnifications,

the 1967 war has no ramnifications.

Give nothing, get nothing, other than perpetual war.

Israel should retreat to 1967 borders five minutes after Indiana retreats to the 1809 borders

Edit,

we are actually in agreement, as before the 1967 invasion of Israel from the West Bank (according to palestinian supporters, should have zero ramnifications) pre 1967 the West Bank was controlled by Jordan, which almost exactly aligns with my proposal for peace.

point being the illegal settlers AND the government sponsored ones can live within the 67 borders.

AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED A SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION. YOUR SILENCE ON THAT IS DEAFENING.

I did. But all you want is a war and an argument. And to punish the nation you hate. The pre 1967 borders were controlled by Jordan, which is almost exactly my proposal for peace now. But your kind isn’t interested in peace

The choice is simple, have Palestine in a transition controlled by peaceful nations which leads to independence, or have them be independent immediately and let Iran walk in as they have done in the past. You want that because you support perpetual war.

The 1967 borders existed then but do not now for a specific reason. Jordan was a big reason the 1967 borders were eliminated, but since then they have since shown a track record for peace. The people you support do not have that track record. You have zero interest in peace. And the people you support have zero track record respecting the 67 borders. This is a detailed answer to your question.

the people of Japan and Germany, aided by transitional governments with oversight, as a result of the actions of their government that initiated wars. This led to peace and prosperity, something you have zero interest in.

Only one group of people are subject to this harsh interpretation of international law and fairness. Wonder why

Please keep your anger off this forum. Some may have deaf people in their family, and be offended by your language. But what do you care only what you see in the mirror matters.

Very well explained, Lerx. Spot on. Who cares what the far left Trainwreckers think. Don't even waste your time.

tbergs · February 10

In case you're wondering how some of those voters in Michigan are feeling after their support of Trump, The Guardian did some follow-up. Some people really give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Others, not so much, but they're pretty quiet these days.

For many Palestinian Americans, Trump’s Gaza plan evokes legacy of displacement | US politics | The Guardian https://search.app/VjaoFiN5Yba6oiJM7

Gern Blansten · February 10

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-palestinians-wouldnt-allowed-back-gaza-plan-rcna191491?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawIXHyRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYyJZPSl17oXPqj1llM0GE7yvM_sGCBhQ1kus0HBcE8a9iQdKgL_1DE-VA_aem_9KAwSTtoLDu6mPXIfeExSQ&_branch_match_id=918120080896578158&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAAwXB2w6CIAAA0L/prdTastpckzS1dJN0zXphoHgpRAMNfenbO6cehl4eNI2TnFMlV7jvV6zhby11AB+KzZxAcixJzprCCtRjPb2wCjJ/vjHq30Z7fWYEBlMEbeA/5sszTphhdln8eRmMRbrnmvM3QtI7gRoa71HqPsjdHd43sLhWITIcd3m3EaYt2l9tlaRDFzrjto2zoKTulMDFT9CSCtHwChHRKUmFdapF19I/i5UQGLkAAAA=

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yeah...makes sense

HughFreakingDillon · February 10

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-palestinians-wouldnt-allowed-back-gaza-plan-rcna191491?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawIXHyRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYyJZPSl17oXPqj1llM0GE7yvM_sGCBhQ1kus0HBcE8a9iQdKgL_1DE-VA_aem_9KAwSTtoLDu6mPXIfeExSQ&_branch_match_id=918120080896578158&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAAwXB2w6CIAAA0L/prdTastpckzS1dJN0zXphoHgpRAMNfenbO6cehl4eNI2TnFMlV7jvV6zhby11AB+KzZxAcixJzprCCtRjPb2wCjJ/vjHq30Z7fWYEBlMEbeA/5sszTphhdln8eRmMRbrnmvM3QtI7gRoa71HqPsjdHd43sLhWITIcd3m3EaYt2l9tlaRDFzrjto2zoKTulMDFT9CSCtHwChHRKUmFdapF19I/i5UQGLkAAAA=

yeah...makes sense

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