Earlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”
I've recently learned Never Again only applies to those of Jewish ethnicity.
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Earlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
Earlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
Earlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
Earlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
Again, where do they go? The West Bank? If people in Gaza are free to leave, where are they free to go to?
I can’t believe we’re having this discussion in the 21st century. “Never again” my ass.
Earlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
Again, where do they go? The West Bank? If people in Gaza are free to leave, where are they free to go to?
I can’t believe we’re having this discussion in the 21st century. “Never again” my ass.
Never again refers to mass murder. That is not happening in Gaza. No matter how badly you want to equate the two events.
Earlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
Again, where do they go? The West Bank? If people in Gaza are free to leave, where are they free to go to?
I can’t believe we’re having this discussion in the 21st century. “Never again” my ass.
Never again refers to mass murder. That is not happening in Gaza. No matter how badly you want to equate the two events.
50,000+. Mass murder is occurring in Gaza no matter how badly you want to deny it. Just because it isn’t a bullet to the head or a slow agonizing being worked to death or gassed in a gas chamber level of efficiency doesn’t negate the crime. It’s the act, not the method.
Again, if the Palestinians in Gaza are “free” to leave, where can they go? Tel Aviv? Jerusalem? Hebron? The United States of Fascism? Mexico? Libya? Tell us where they’re free to go to.
Earlier this month, Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described as “the concluding moves” of the war in Gaza. Called “Gideon’s Chariots,” the operation’s plan calls for the mass destruction of remaining buildings in Gaza and the “conquest” of much of the Strip by Israel.
The more than 2 million Palestinian civilians would be given a choice: Live indefinitely in a tiny “humanitarian area,” or else leave the Strip for some third country. At least one high-level Israeli official, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, has openly proclaimed that the purpose of this policy is to inflict so much suffering that Palestinians are effectively forced to make the latter choice — a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.
“Within a few months…Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said on May 6. Civilians “will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”
The situation in Gaza is already beyond dire: An Israeli blockade on foreign aid has left children starving. Were Israel to do what Smotrich is describing, the consequences would be untold death and suffering.
As the world silently watches. So much for “never again.”
Right because destroying buildings and infrastructure is the same as gassing and burning human beings in ovens.
Does the method of ethnic cleansing really matter? So now, “never again” is qualified and only means “gassing and burning human beings in ovens.” Got it.
Can we call it the Gaza Ghetto like Warsaw once was or is that off limits too?
Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
To go where? To the United States of Fascism? So, systemic gassing and incineration is a greater moral outrage, and thus “ethnic cleansing” , while pancaking buildings with bombs and cutting off aid and starving people to death is collateral war damage and gets a pass? No crime against humanity, eh? Not genocide or “ethnic cleansing” either?
From wikiwikiwiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
I must be dark woke, never mind woke.
Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
Again, where do they go? The West Bank? If people in Gaza are free to leave, where are they free to go to?
I can’t believe we’re having this discussion in the 21st century. “Never again” my ass.
Never again refers to mass murder. That is not happening in Gaza.
I am not here to battle or debate an unwinnable situation with two extreme views. I just find the comparison to the Nazis and the holocaust to be way off. And Tim, you are not wrong, I do think that you have little to fear from the cops if you have done nothing wrong.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Yup, no comparison to Nazi Germany, tactics or treatment. None. Can’t go there because, after all, they’re free to leave and it’s not like they were gassed or anything. Nothing occurred, at all, leading up to 10/7. Nothing at all.
After Nonviolence
The end of peaceful resistance in Palestine
Six years had passed since I had last been to the West Bank, and ten years since I had lived there. A lot had changed in my absence. Ramallah had once felt like a small town. When I returned last November, it was, without doubt, a city. Whole neighborhoods had materialized, and the streets seemed denser, packed with more and flashier shops offering varieties of high-end Western consumer goods that would have once been unobtainable: cappuccinos and croissants, designer sunglasses, North Face jackets and Timberland boots. There was a fancy new pastry shop called Crumbs, and the joke was almost too obvious: this is what the Palestinian elite was settling for.
Yup, no comparison to Nazi Germany, tactics or treatment. None. Can’t go there because, after all, they’re free to leave and it’s not like they were gassed or anything. Nothing occurred, at all, leading up to 10/7. Nothing at all.
After Nonviolence
The end of peaceful resistance in Palestine
Six years had passed since I had last been to the West Bank, and ten years since I had lived there. A lot had changed in my absence. Ramallah had once felt like a small town. When I returned last November, it was, without doubt, a city. Whole neighborhoods had materialized, and the streets seemed denser, packed with more and flashier shops offering varieties of high-end Western consumer goods that would have once been unobtainable: cappuccinos and croissants, designer sunglasses, North Face jackets and Timberland boots. There was a fancy new pastry shop called Crumbs, and the joke was almost too obvious: this is what the Palestinian elite was settling for.
It is a well written article. Like I said, what is going on there may not be right, and it is a bad situation, but it is simply not comparable to the holocaust. The numbers pale in comparison. Thousands of deaths over decades of war and fighting does not equate with millions indiscriminately killed in a short period. It is not the same. If the Israelis were as brutal as the Nazis, the dispute would have ended long ago.
Could there be a bigger disconnect? Welp, at least it’s not gas chambers.
Israeli airstrikes kill at least 80 as Trump says he wants to turn Gaza into a ‘freedom zone’
Violence over last 48 hours diminishes hopes that US president’s visit to Middle East would lead to pause in hostilities
Israel launched a new and intense wave of airstrikes and artillery shelling on targets across Gaza on Thursday morning, killing at least 80 people, as faltering talks on a new ceasefire continued in Qatar and Donald Trump said he wanted to see the US “make” the devastated territory “into a freedom zone”.
Trump’s statement recalled the plan he put forward in February for the US to take control of Gaza to allow for its reconstruction as a luxury leisure and business hub. The scheme implied the possible permanent displacement of much or all of its population of 2.3 million and triggered global outrage.
In Qatar, on the third day of his Middle East tour, Trump said: “I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good: make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved and make it just a freedom zone. I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone.”
Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official, rejected the idea, saying: “Gaza is an integral part of Palestinian land – it is not real estate for sale on the open market. We remain firmly committed to our land and our national cause, and we are prepared to make every sacrifice to preserve our homeland and secure our people’s future.”
There had been widespread hopes that Trump’s regional visit could lead to a new pause in hostilities or a renewal of humanitarian aid to Gaza, where a tight Israeli blockade is now in its third month.
Wow, a literal pro Hamas comment. It’s a war, what’s your solution? You got any examples where you tell the victims of genocide they have zero rights to their historical lands, with no visitation rights nor any say in how it’s managed?
but don’t worry. Trump is cozying up to the pro Iran forces in the region, so maybe he is willing to help out your pals in Hamas.
Could there be a bigger disconnect? Welp, at least it’s not gas chambers.
Israeli airstrikes kill at least 80 as Trump says he wants to turn Gaza into a ‘freedom zone’
Violence over last 48 hours diminishes hopes that US president’s visit to Middle East would lead to pause in hostilities
Israel launched a new and intense wave of airstrikes and artillery shelling on targets across Gaza on Thursday morning, killing at least 80 people, as faltering talks on a new ceasefire continued in Qatar and Donald Trump said he wanted to see the US “make” the devastated territory “into a freedom zone”.
Trump’s statement recalled the plan he put forward in February for the US to take control of Gaza to allow for its reconstruction as a luxury leisure and business hub. The scheme implied the possible permanent displacement of much or all of its population of 2.3 million and triggered global outrage.
In Qatar, on the third day of his Middle East tour, Trump said: “I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good: make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved and make it just a freedom zone. I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone.”
Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official, rejected the idea, saying: “Gaza is an integral part of Palestinian land – it is not real estate for sale on the open market. We remain firmly committed to our land and our national cause, and we are prepared to make every sacrifice to preserve our homeland and secure our people’s future.”
There had been widespread hopes that Trump’s regional visit could lead to a new pause in hostilities or a renewal of humanitarian aid to Gaza, where a tight Israeli blockade is now in its third month.
Could there be a bigger disconnect? Welp, at least it’s not gas chambers.
Israeli airstrikes kill at least 80 as Trump says he wants to turn Gaza into a ‘freedom zone’
Violence over last 48 hours diminishes hopes that US president’s visit to Middle East would lead to pause in hostilities
Israel launched a new and intense wave of airstrikes and artillery shelling on targets across Gaza on Thursday morning, killing at least 80 people, as faltering talks on a new ceasefire continued in Qatar and Donald Trump said he wanted to see the US “make” the devastated territory “into a freedom zone”.
Trump’s statement recalled the plan he put forward in February for the US to take control of Gaza to allow for its reconstruction as a luxury leisure and business hub. The scheme implied the possible permanent displacement of much or all of its population of 2.3 million and triggered global outrage.
In Qatar, on the third day of his Middle East tour, Trump said: “I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good: make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved and make it just a freedom zone. I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone.”
Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official, rejected the idea, saying: “Gaza is an integral part of Palestinian land – it is not real estate for sale on the open market. We remain firmly committed to our land and our national cause, and we are prepared to make every sacrifice to preserve our homeland and secure our people’s future.”
There had been widespread hopes that Trump’s regional visit could lead to a new pause in hostilities or a renewal of humanitarian aid to Gaza, where a tight Israeli blockade is now in its third month.
I wonder if the folks who witnessed the beginning of the holocaust said to themselves, “it’s only 80, 800, 8,000 or 52,000 and it’s nothing to be concerned with. There’s plenty around?” I get it, you can’t draw a single comparison.
Should the chinese say the jews didn't have enough to compare?
October 1, 1949 marked Mao Tse-tung’s proclamation of the People’s Republic of China. The Chinese Communist Party launched numerous movements to systematically destroy the traditional Chinese social and political system. One of Mao’s major goals was the total collectivization of the peasants. In 1958, he launched the “Great Leap Forward” campaign. This act was aimed at accomplishing economic and technical development of the country at a faster pace and with greater results. Instead, the “Great Leap Forward” destroyed the agricultural system, causing a terrible famine in which 27 million people starved to death.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Should the chinese say the jews didn't have enough to compare?
October 1, 1949 marked Mao Tse-tung’s proclamation of the People’s Republic of China. The Chinese Communist Party launched numerous movements to systematically destroy the traditional Chinese social and political system. One of Mao’s major goals was the total collectivization of the peasants. In 1958, he launched the “Great Leap Forward” campaign. This act was aimed at accomplishing economic and technical development of the country at a faster pace and with greater results. Instead, the “Great Leap Forward” destroyed the agricultural system, causing a terrible famine in which 27 million people starved to death.
I have seen things in China that defy logic and humanity. Forced labor and military enforcement. Go one hour from a major city and it is not a friendly place.
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I've recently learned Never Again only applies to those of Jewish ethnicity.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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Yes, it does. Using war tactics to push people out is very different from straight up imprisonment and murder. That also differentiates it from Warsaw which was imprisonment for those headed to the camps. People are free to leave Gaza. They will not be murdered. Warsaw residents did not have that choice. Big difference.
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Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal such as deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[1][2][3][4][5] Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilationor mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group.[6][7][8]
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Not saying it is right or that what is happening does not meet the definition (which is up for debate). But is not comparable. Residents of Gaza have an option to leave. Even if their choices are limited and less desirable. They can survive. They are not imprisoned and they are not being directly murdered. Jews in WWII did not have that option and were indiscriminately imprisoned and murdered. That is not what is happening in Gaza.
I can’t believe we’re having this discussion in the 21st century. “Never again” my ass.
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Never again refers to mass murder. That is not happening in Gaza. No matter how badly you want to equate the two events.
Again, if the Palestinians in Gaza are “free” to leave, where can they go? Tel Aviv? Jerusalem? Hebron? The United States of Fascism? Mexico? Libya? Tell us where they’re free to go to.
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After Nonviolence
Six years had passed since I had last been to the West Bank, and ten years since I had lived there. A lot had changed in my absence. Ramallah had once felt like a small town. When I returned last November, it was, without doubt, a city. Whole neighborhoods had materialized, and the streets seemed denser, packed with more and flashier shops offering varieties of high-end Western consumer goods that would have once been unobtainable: cappuccinos and croissants, designer sunglasses, North Face jackets and Timberland boots. There was a fancy new pastry shop called Crumbs, and the joke was almost too obvious: this is what the Palestinian elite was settling for.
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https://harpers.org/archive/2025/05/after-nonviolence-end-of-peaceful-resistance-west-bank-ben-ehrenreich/
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It is a well written article. Like I said, what is going on there may not be right, and it is a bad situation, but it is simply not comparable to the holocaust. The numbers pale in comparison. Thousands of deaths over decades of war and fighting does not equate with millions indiscriminately killed in a short period. It is not the same. If the Israelis were as brutal as the Nazis, the dispute would have ended long ago.
Israeli airstrikes kill at least 80 as Trump says he wants to turn Gaza into a ‘freedom zone’
Violence over last 48 hours diminishes hopes that US president’s visit to Middle East would lead to pause in hostilities
Israel launched a new and intense wave of airstrikes and artillery shelling on targets across Gaza on Thursday morning, killing at least 80 people, as faltering talks on a new ceasefire continued in Qatar and Donald Trump said he wanted to see the US “make” the devastated territory “into a freedom zone”.
Trump’s statement recalled the plan he put forward in February for the US to take control of Gaza to allow for its reconstruction as a luxury leisure and business hub. The scheme implied the possible permanent displacement of much or all of its population of 2.3 million and triggered global outrage.
In Qatar, on the third day of his Middle East tour, Trump said: “I have concepts for Gaza that I think are very good: make it a freedom zone, let the United States get involved and make it just a freedom zone. I’d be proud to have the United States have it, take it, make it a freedom zone.”
Basem Naim, a senior Hamas official, rejected the idea, saying: “Gaza is an integral part of Palestinian land – it is not real estate for sale on the open market. We remain firmly committed to our land and our national cause, and we are prepared to make every sacrifice to preserve our homeland and secure our people’s future.”
There had been widespread hopes that Trump’s regional visit could lead to a new pause in hostilities or a renewal of humanitarian aid to Gaza, where a tight Israeli blockade is now in its third month.
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https://apple.news/AKFQX73AMSFCOBlciiY6_UQ
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but don’t worry. Trump is cozying up to the pro Iran forces in the region, so maybe he is willing to help out your pals in Hamas.
80 vs. 6,000,000+. Even 80,000. Not comparable.
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https://genocideeducation.org/resources/modern-era-genocides/
Should the chinese say the jews didn't have enough to compare?
October 1, 1949 marked Mao Tse-tung’s proclamation of the People’s Republic of China. The Chinese Communist Party launched numerous movements to systematically destroy the traditional Chinese social and political system. One of Mao’s major goals was the total collectivization of the peasants. In 1958, he launched the “Great Leap Forward” campaign. This act was aimed at accomplishing economic and technical development of the country at a faster pace and with greater results. Instead, the “Great Leap Forward” destroyed the agricultural system, causing a terrible famine in which 27 million people starved to death.
I have seen things in China that defy logic and humanity. Forced labor and military enforcement. Go one hour from a major city and it is not a friendly place.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-biden-officials-offer-rare-praise-trumps-bold-middle-east-moves
It doen't happen often enough, but it is very encouraging when members of one party can commend the President, that is of the other party.