F2F is OPEN

RatherStarved · January 5

I will never understand the merch craze. But if people enjoy it good for them.

steven87 · January 5

danlee1095 said:

Come on links! Who's got some tickets to move?

My guess is they’ll be few and far between between now and April. Then things will start to pick up. But in the meantime, if anyone would like to give me a Pitt N1 GA so I don’t have to stress about it for the next four months, it would be much appreciated! 🙏 😀🤣

SHZA · January 5

craigraether said:

SHZA said:

Shaindli1 said:

SHZA said:

Probably a different poster for each show and n2 won't be available until the off day. If n1 doesn't sell out it could be available still on the off day. I usually just buy them in the 10c shop instead of waiting in line.

The thing is buying them online means paying 15$ shipping for each poster. I really want to avoid that. I'm stingy.

$15 vs 3 hours in line. I'm good with that.

Except if there is an epic poster your risk not getting on the 10c drop, ( Phl2, VO Chi,) ETC.. Philly sold out in 30 seconds or less... If see the poster is must have ill wait the 3 hours and not risk the stress.

If you love it that much, by all means. Those tend to be few and far between. Even missing the 10c drop on Van Orton, the ebay price ($125-$150) would still be worth it to me not to wait in line if I have something better to do. I actually waited in line in Chicago since I was already waiting in the GA line but didn't bother with any posters because I didn't feel like traveling with the tubes. I thought the Van Orton was cool at the time but didn't consider it epic among the great PJ posters. I also mostly collected APs in the past. If I'm going to buy the AP anyway, that's even less reason to wait in line for a show edition. But now that they started doing variants for the APs some of the show editions are better. Like the Van Orton yellow looks better than the green on the AP.

nicknyr15 · January 5

RatherStarved said:

I will never understand the merch craze. But if people enjoy it good for them.

Profit. That is all.

bootleg · January 5

danlee1095 said:

Come on links! Who's got some tickets to move?

Based on Facebook posts, most people probably don’t even know what F2F is yet.

ally12 · January 5

bootleg said:

danlee1095 said:

Come on links! Who's got some tickets to move?

Based on Facebook posts, most people probably don’t even know what F2F is yet.

The Facebook groups are getting filled with scalpers/scammers. In the wishlist group they started a vouch/verified member thread and there are very few people that are getting verified or getting vouched for.. a lot of ISO posts though.

RatherStarved · January 5

nicknyr15 said:

RatherStarved said:

I will never understand the merch craze. But if people enjoy it good for them.

Profit. That is all.

I doubt a very high percentage of people actually make money on this stuff.

PrezIntense · January 5

nicknyr15 said:

RatherStarved said:

I will never understand the merch craze. But if people enjoy it good for them.

Profit. That is all.

Not everybody cares as much about money as you seem to.

SHZA · January 5

For every person who profits, there's a willing buyer. So profit can only explain half the craze at most. As a percentage of people in line, flippers are a small group I think

nicknyr15 · January 5

PrezIntense said:

nicknyr15 said:

RatherStarved said:

I will never understand the merch craze. But if people enjoy it good for them.

Profit. That is all.

Not everybody cares as much about money as you seem to.

👍🏼

KJ228171 · January 5

SHZA said:

For every person who profits, there's a willing buyer. So profit can only explain half the craze at most. As a percentage of people in line, flippers are a small group I think

A small group with an oversized influence. Some guy at the front of the line bought 10 of the Philly N2 while we were about 10 people back. Unless he was wallpapering a room those all were going to eBay probably right then and there. I have a feeling a lot of the Boston hoodies were flipped but that's more of a hassle to do than posters. But yeah the fact that where's a market whether natural or artificial (from FOMO) is problematic.

RS151862 · January 5

They should announce a no merch tour.. see if anyone shows up.

SHZA · January 5

KJ228171 said:

SHZA said:

For every person who profits, there's a willing buyer. So profit can only explain half the craze at most. As a percentage of people in line, flippers are a small group I think

A small group with an oversized influence. Some guy at the front of the line bought 10 of the Philly N2 while we were about 10 people back. Unless he was wallpapering a room those all were going to eBay probably right then and there. I have a feeling a lot of the Boston hoodies were flipped but that's more of a hassle to do than posters. But yeah the fact that where's a market whether natural or artificial (from FOMO) is problematic.

That's a failure by the staff not enforcing the limit. No surprise a pro flipper would try to buy as many as they could get away with

ally12 · January 5

RS151862 said:

They should announce a no merch tour.. see if anyone shows up.

Hahahaha..

100 Pacer · January 5

RS151862 said:

They should announce a no merch tour.. see if anyone shows up.

The band is doing roughly $500,000 in merch sales per show at your typical arena/amphitheatre venue, not counting sales during days off, and it’s a crucial revenue generator. The crew is incorporated into the profit sharing as well.

Shaindli1 · January 5

100 Pacer said:

RS151862 said:

They should announce a no merch tour.. see if anyone shows up.

The band is doing roughly $500,000 in merch sales per show at your typical arena/amphitheatre venue, not counting sales during days off, and it’s a crucial revenue generator. The crew is incorporated into the profit sharing as well.

I had no idea about the crew part. That's cool!

PrezIntense · January 5

I'm not sure how practical it is but would love to see a system where your ticket has a code that allows you to buy a poster and/or t-shirt from that particular show. You would have to purchase it ahead of time and pick it up at merch.

KJ228171 · January 6

PrezIntense said:

I'm not sure how practical it is but would love to see a system where your ticket has a code that allows you to buy a poster and/or t-shirt from that particular show. You would have to purchase it ahead of time and pick it up at merch.

LiveNation already have system in place. For VIP tickets they mail the package to people ahead of time or give the items at the door. They could offer an add-on like the commemorative tickets and just mail the items. They also did the free Nugs downloads in the fall so a lot is possible with the existing infrastructure.

Go Animal · January 6

Nash 1 aisle pair (not mine) in the 300's up:

https://www.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-dark-matter-us-tour-nashville-tennessee-05-06-2025/event/1B006183E7064D5C

EH14457 · January 6

Back in bot jail despite having been very careful since the first ban to not do anything that would look like a bot. Only checking a few times a day, waiting at least 3 seconds before changing filters or toggling between map and list. Very frustrating.

ally12 · January 6

EH14457 said:

Back in bot jail despite having been very careful since the first ban to not do anything that would look like a bot. Only checking a few times a day, waiting at least 3 seconds before changing filters or toggling between map and list. Very frustrating.

Why would toggling between map or list view be a cause for an alert? I thought it was just refreshing the page that caused problems. Are you refreshing before you change views?

EH14457 · January 6

ally12 said:

EH14457 said:

Back in bot jail despite having been very careful since the first ban to not do anything that would look like a bot. Only checking a few times a day, waiting at least 3 seconds before changing filters or toggling between map and list. Very frustrating.

Why would toggling between map or list view be a cause for an alert? I thought it was just refreshing the page that caused problems. Are you refreshing before you change views?

I really never refresh the pages. I think these are the 2 bullets TM tends to use as a blanket reason for bans:

Take any action that imposes or may impose (in our sole discretion) an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure.
Access, reload, or refresh transactional event or ticketing pages, or make any other request to transactional servers, more than once during any three-second interval.

Things like changing filters (1 vs 2 tickets, price slider, F2F-only, etc...) or toggling between map and list view all make requests to ticketing pages, so those can also cause problems. Still, I've been really careful to wait between changing anything.

Apparently it's just my mobile device that's banned at the moment, as I'm still able to access my account through my laptop. So maybe this isn't behavior-based at all, and I just checked from some network IP that raised flags while on the move earlier today? No idea. So dumb.

RatherStarved · January 6

Just wait until a week or two before the shows. There will be drops.

ally12 · January 6

EH14457 said:

ally12 said:

EH14457 said:

Back in bot jail despite having been very careful since the first ban to not do anything that would look like a bot. Only checking a few times a day, waiting at least 3 seconds before changing filters or toggling between map and list. Very frustrating.

Why would toggling between map or list view be a cause for an alert? I thought it was just refreshing the page that caused problems. Are you refreshing before you change views?

I really never refresh the pages. I think these are the 2 bullets TM tends to use as a blanket reason for bans:
Take any action that imposes or may impose (in our sole discretion) an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure.
Access, reload, or refresh transactional event or ticketing pages, or make any other request to transactional servers, more than once during any three-second interval.
Things like changing filters (1 vs 2 tickets, price slider, F2F-only, etc...) or toggling between map and list view all make requests to ticketing pages, so those can also cause problems. Still, I've been really careful to wait between changing anything.

Apparently it's just my mobile device that's banned at the moment, as I'm still able to access my account through my laptop. So maybe this isn't behavior-based at all, and I just checked from some network IP that raised flags while on the move earlier today? No idea. So dumb.

Ohh wow.. I thought it was just refreshing the page trigger an issue. I guess it makes sense, when you move around the filters the map changes. Good to know they are looking at everything and to be mindful

ekwipt · January 6

Tracking my L’s for Atl 2 cuz it’s fun to quantify pain! 😆
0/14 ☠️ ☠️ ☠️
-6 GA pairs
-3 GA singles
-2 Flr 1 pairs
-3 front 1/2 of arena lower bowl pairs

SHZA · January 6

ekwipt said:

Tracking my L’s for Atl 2 cuz it’s fun to quantify pain! 😆
0/14 ☠️ ☠️ ☠️
-6 GA pairs
-3 GA singles
-2 Flr 1 pairs
-3 front 1/2 of arena lower bowl pairs

Wow. Impressive you've had that many opportunities without being banned

ekwipt · January 6

SHZA said:

ekwipt said:

Tracking my L’s for Atl 2 cuz it’s fun to quantify pain! 😆
0/14 ☠️ ☠️ ☠️
-6 GA pairs
-3 GA singles
-2 Flr 1 pairs
-3 front 1/2 of arena lower bowl pairs

Wow. Impressive you've had that many opportunities without being banned

So far so good 🤞…Not that it’s doing me any good.

EH14457 · January 6

ekwipt said:

SHZA said:

ekwipt said:

Tracking my L’s for Atl 2 cuz it’s fun to quantify pain! 😆
0/14 ☠️ ☠️ ☠️
-6 GA pairs
-3 GA singles
-2 Flr 1 pairs
-3 front 1/2 of arena lower bowl pairs

Wow. Impressive you've had that many opportunities without being banned

So far so good 🤞…Not that it’s doing me any good.

What are you doing to see the listings? Any manual updates to the page? Or literally just leaving it open and waiting for new tickets to pop up?

kait0113 · January 6

Posting again for shigiggles. Looking for a single for N1 Pittsburgh. I'd buy 2 tickets and relist one F2F if needed.. definitely just going to be me. I really want to make a few days out of my trip and see both shows, it'll probably be my vacation for the year. I know so many people are after tickets for this show. I've been checking TM like crazy for weeks.. anyway.. please message me if you're willing to set up a listing at an odd hour and message me the link. I legit already check when I randomly wake up throughout the night haha

ekwipt · January 6

EH14457 said:

ekwipt said:

SHZA said:

ekwipt said:

Tracking my L’s for Atl 2 cuz it’s fun to quantify pain! 😆
0/14 ☠️ ☠️ ☠️
-6 GA pairs
-3 GA singles
-2 Flr 1 pairs
-3 front 1/2 of arena lower bowl pairs

Wow. Impressive you've had that many opportunities without being banned

So far so good 🤞…Not that it’s doing me any good.

What are you doing to see the listings? Any manual updates to the page? Or literally just leaving it open and waiting for new tickets to pop up?

I toggle qty. Only focusing on 1 show. No other pages of websites or social media open when I work at it seems to help. When the map goes grey take a break for a while.

F2F is OPEN

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