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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,541
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Admittedly, I'm a bit disturbed at how much celebrating I saw about a murder. I don't expect people to mourn or do much more than go about their day. I even accept some "well, insurance companies deny people into their graves" type of comments. But the glee was astonishing to me.

    Really? I'm completely unsurprised and totally understand it. It is a perfect reflection of how fucked up and evil the American healthcare insurance system really is. It's a human rights crime. This reaction from the public with this killing makes perfect sense IMO.
    Tim Simmons said:
    The glee is cringe because we should never celebrate murder, but I’m not gonna deny people the schadenfreude. Our HC system is so fucked up top to bottom (to say nothing of the insurance industry in general or America’s need of some tort reform), so many people have been affected aversely by the system, I get them looking at this as some comeuppance. 
    Fetterman puts it well


  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,541
    edited December 2024
    I'll take my chances with Trump et al vs. a movement that equivocates over extrajudicial street murder as a solution for their political grievances
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,927
    pjl44 said:
    I'll take my chances with Trump et al vs. a movement that equivocates over extrajudicial street murder as a solution for their political grievances

    He said point blank he is cutting healthcare by two trillion dollars, to subsidize cutting taxes for incomes over $400k

    If that benefits you more than dealing with some social m trash that should be ignored, congrats
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,541
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'll take my chances with Trump et al vs. a movement that equivocates over extrajudicial street murder as a solution for their political grievances

    He said point blank he is cutting healthcare by two trillion dollars, to subsidize cutting taxes for incomes over $400k

    If that benefits you more than dealing with some social m trash that should be ignored, congrats
    It would be great if Democrat institutions unequivocally distanced themselves from left wing loons and we could just debate healthcare policy. Alas...
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,927
    pjl44 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'll take my chances with Trump et al vs. a movement that equivocates over extrajudicial street murder as a solution for their political grievances

    He said point blank he is cutting healthcare by two trillion dollars, to subsidize cutting taxes for incomes over $400k

    If that benefits you more than dealing with some social m trash that should be ignored, congrats
    It would be great if Democrat institutions unequivocally distanced themselves from left wing loons and we could just debate healthcare policy. Alas...

    ACA significantly improved our healthcare. Maga is about to overturn that and insurance denials will explode.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,667
    pjl44 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'll take my chances with Trump et al vs. a movement that equivocates over extrajudicial street murder as a solution for their political grievances

    He said point blank he is cutting healthcare by two trillion dollars, to subsidize cutting taxes for incomes over $400k

    If that benefits you more than dealing with some social m trash that should be ignored, congrats
    It would be great if Democrat institutions unequivocally distanced themselves from left wing loons and we could just debate healthcare policy. Alas...
    You didn’t dispute his point! Tell us how the clown will fix healthcare? How many Americans are on ACA? 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    Lerxst1992 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Admittedly, I'm a bit disturbed at how much celebrating I saw about a murder. I don't expect people to mourn or do much more than go about their day. I even accept some "well, insurance companies deny people into their graves" type of comments. But the glee was astonishing to me.

    Really? I'm completely unsurprised and totally understand it. It is a perfect reflection of how fucked up and evil the American healthcare insurance system really is. It's a human rights crime. This reaction from the public with this killing makes perfect sense IMO.

    I wonder what the NDP would say to that, are they satisfied with available care in Canada? Access to a GP? ER wait times? Specialist wait times?

    Hey Google, what country has the longest wait times for healthcare?

    The American insurance system has its challenges, but overall The majority of Americans have access to the best healthcare - which country is more responsible than the United States in developing new procedures, new treatments, and new medicine?

    I get absolutely fantastic healthcare in Canada, and frankly, i've personally never had to wait any length of time for any healthcare. Of course, it is far from perfect, and we really need more GPs (although there are viable alternatives), but nobody is refused medical treatment that they need, nobody goes broke because of medical needs, everybody has rapid access to essential, life saving medical treatment, and there isn't a massive divide between the care that the rich get and the care that they poor get. This "wait time" defense wheb the disgusting American healthcare system is dicussed makes zero sense to me, because there is no defense for a system that puts profit above health.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    pjl44 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Admittedly, I'm a bit disturbed at how much celebrating I saw about a murder. I don't expect people to mourn or do much more than go about their day. I even accept some "well, insurance companies deny people into their graves" type of comments. But the glee was astonishing to me.

    Really? I'm completely unsurprised and totally understand it. It is a perfect reflection of how fucked up and evil the American healthcare insurance system really is. It's a human rights crime. This reaction from the public with this killing makes perfect sense IMO.
    Tim Simmons said:
    The glee is cringe because we should never celebrate murder, but I’m not gonna deny people the schadenfreude. Our HC system is so fucked up top to bottom (to say nothing of the insurance industry in general or America’s need of some tort reform), so many people have been affected aversely by the system, I get them looking at this as some comeuppance. 
    Fetterman puts it well



    I just wanna know where this moral highground is when reading stories about desperate people being denied lifesaving medical care because their insurance company refuses to agree with a doctor's recommendations.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,667
    PJ_Soul said:
    pjl44 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Admittedly, I'm a bit disturbed at how much celebrating I saw about a murder. I don't expect people to mourn or do much more than go about their day. I even accept some "well, insurance companies deny people into their graves" type of comments. But the glee was astonishing to me.

    Really? I'm completely unsurprised and totally understand it. It is a perfect reflection of how fucked up and evil the American healthcare insurance system really is. It's a human rights crime. This reaction from the public with this killing makes perfect sense IMO.
    Tim Simmons said:
    The glee is cringe because we should never celebrate murder, but I’m not gonna deny people the schadenfreude. Our HC system is so fucked up top to bottom (to say nothing of the insurance industry in general or America’s need of some tort reform), so many people have been affected aversely by the system, I get them looking at this as some comeuppance. 
    Fetterman puts it well



    I just wanna know where this moral highground is when reading stories about desperate people being denied lifesaving medical care because their insurance company refuses to agree with a doctor's recommendations.

    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,570
    Lerxst1992 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Admittedly, I'm a bit disturbed at how much celebrating I saw about a murder. I don't expect people to mourn or do much more than go about their day. I even accept some "well, insurance companies deny people into their graves" type of comments. But the glee was astonishing to me.

    Really? I'm completely unsurprised and totally understand it. It is a perfect reflection of how fucked up and evil the American healthcare insurance system really is. It's a human rights crime. This reaction from the public with this killing makes perfect sense IMO.

    I wonder what the NDP would say to that, are they satisfied with available care in Canada? Access to a GP? ER wait times? Specialist wait times?

    Hey Google, what country has the longest wait times for healthcare?

    The American insurance system has its challenges, but overall The majority of Americans have access to the best healthcare - which country is more responsible than the United States in developing new procedures, new treatments, and new medicine?
    That depends on how you measure what the best healthcare is. I think we’d rank higher on measurables if we were the best. But it is good if you can afford it. 
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,570
    pjl44 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'll take my chances with Trump et al vs. a movement that equivocates over extrajudicial street murder as a solution for their political grievances

    He said point blank he is cutting healthcare by two trillion dollars, to subsidize cutting taxes for incomes over $400k

    If that benefits you more than dealing with some social m trash that should be ignored, congrats
    It would be great if Democrat institutions unequivocally distanced themselves from left wing loons and we could just debate healthcare policy. Alas...
    The higher expectations for Dems to distance themselves from people that do things that have nothing to do with the party is constant, meanwhile far right fascists sit comfortably in the republican party. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    pjl44 said:
    brianlux said:
    pjl44 said:
    And FYI I'm only defending insurance companies relative to the other spokes of the healthcare wheel. Believe me they have their own issues. I'm arm wrestling with Blue Cross right now but the reality is they're 50% to blame and the hospital is 50% to blame.

    Good point.  The costs of surgeries and ER visits are crazy.  And the price of something as basic as an ibuprofen is criminal.
    It's truly insane when you see an itemized bill. Math that out at scale.

    Doing that would give me a heart attack and start the whole cycle going again.  :lol:    
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,739

    UnitedHealthcare CEO assassination: Crime expert breaks down questions investigators are trying to solve

    Holloway warned that 'anything is plausible' as the investigation continues

    Published December 7, 2024 6:07pm EST

    As the search for UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killer enters a fourth day, detectives across the country are working overtime to gather information that will bring the suspect to justice.

    Thompson, who was shot outside a New York City hotel just before 7 a.m. Wednesday, died less than 30 minutes later. Detectives are investigating a number of clues the suspect left behind, including a backpack, a water bottle, a phone and shell casings.

    Philip Holloway, an attorney and legal analyst with a background in law enforcement, broke down what New York and federal investigators might be thinking during an interview with Fox News Digital Saturday.

    Though national media coverage has been focused on the search for the suspect, who is believed to have left New York, Holloway posited that the gunman may not have acted alon

    Philip Holloway spoke to Fox News Digital about the search for CEO Brian Thompson's killer. (Peter Gerber/NYPD)

    "Obviously, if the killer had any assistance before, during or after the murder, law enforcement would want to build a solid case against any such accomplice," the former police officer explained. "If they are looking at anybody like that, they don’t want to alert them of that fact.

    "The bigger question is how does someone know exactly what time he's going to be walking out the door at 6:45 a.m.?"

    Holloway, a frequent Fox News Channel guest, also addressed speculation about whether police have the suspect's name. During a press conference Saturday, New York City Mayor Eric Adams seemed to imply authorities may know the gunman's identity.

    "We don’t want to release that now," Adams said. "If we do, we are basically giving a tip to the person we are seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all.

    "Let him continue to believe he can hide behind the mask," the mayor added. "We revealed his face. We’re going to reveal who he is, and we’re going to bring him to justice."

    Holloway told Fox News Digital the intent was to protect the investigation.

    "The only reason to withhold the name of the suspect, assuming the name is known — and I suspect the name is, in fact, known — is to protect some ongoing aspect of the investigation," Holloway said. "And, to that point, the thing that makes the most logical sense is that the authorities are looking at whether or not any other person(s) may be involved."

    Though Holloway is not involved in the investigation, he told Fox News Digital he's "about 90% sure" that one or two other suspects were involved in the murder.

    But he also emphasized that anything is possible this early in the investigation.

    "When all we have is bits and pieces of the puzzle, the imagination tries to fill in the gaps," Holloway said. "At this point, almost anything is plausible. We will have a clearer picture in the hours and days ahead."


  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,739

    This case just gets stranger and stranger. And yeah, there's no doubt they know who the suspect is. In fact, he could be in custody right now, as lawmen hunt down his cohorts. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,632
    shecky said:

    In fact, he could be in custody right now, as lawmen hunt down his cohorts. 
    Huh? Based on what?
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,632
    god. What a fucking dweeb


  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    PJ_Soul said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Admittedly, I'm a bit disturbed at how much celebrating I saw about a murder. I don't expect people to mourn or do much more than go about their day. I even accept some "well, insurance companies deny people into their graves" type of comments. But the glee was astonishing to me.

    Really? I'm completely unsurprised and totally understand it. It is a perfect reflection of how fucked up and evil the American healthcare insurance system really is. It's a human rights crime. This reaction from the public with this killing makes perfect sense IMO.

    I wonder what the NDP would say to that, are they satisfied with available care in Canada? Access to a GP? ER wait times? Specialist wait times?

    Hey Google, what country has the longest wait times for healthcare?

    The American insurance system has its challenges, but overall The majority of Americans have access to the best healthcare - which country is more responsible than the United States in developing new procedures, new treatments, and new medicine?

    I get absolutely fantastic healthcare in Canada, and frankly, i've personally never had to wait any length of time for any healthcare. Of course, it is far from perfect, and we really need more GPs (although there are viable alternatives), but nobody is refused medical treatment that they need, nobody goes broke because of medical needs, everybody has rapid access to essential, life saving medical treatment, and there isn't a massive divide between the care that the rich get and the care that they poor get. This "wait time" defense wheb the disgusting American healthcare system is dicussed makes zero sense to me, because there is no defense for a system that puts profit above health.
    The wait time is always what the ignorant Amerikkkans use as an insult over the Canadian system. But...we have wait times that are equal to or as bad as anything I've heard from Canadians. 
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  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,739

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    edited December 2024
    Crazy...sounds like they've got him

    Customers at a McDonald's saw him and thought he might be the dude and called police.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,451
    pjl44 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Admittedly, I'm a bit disturbed at how much celebrating I saw about a murder. I don't expect people to mourn or do much more than go about their day. I even accept some "well, insurance companies deny people into their graves" type of comments. But the glee was astonishing to me.

    Really? I'm completely unsurprised and totally understand it. It is a perfect reflection of how fucked up and evil the American healthcare insurance system really is. It's a human rights crime. This reaction from the public with this killing makes perfect sense IMO.
    Tim Simmons said:
    The glee is cringe because we should never celebrate murder, but I’m not gonna deny people the schadenfreude. Our HC system is so fucked up top to bottom (to say nothing of the insurance industry in general or America’s need of some tort reform), so many people have been affected aversely by the system, I get them looking at this as some comeuppance. 
    Fetterman puts it well


    Is he a lobbyist for UHC?

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