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  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,024
    bootleg said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    Some like Trump, but most vote for him in spite of him.  They don’t like liberal policies, and they will look past Trump’s antics and moral shortcomings because they are voting for policies.  At least that is what I have been told by several folks. 

    Right or wrong, I think that is how a lot of voters got okay voting for Trump.  They focused on policies they care about. 

    Dems can keep writing off half the nation as racist and anti-woman, but they will continue to lose with that mentality. 
    It can’t be policy based because “things are going to be a lot better” and “I have concepts of a plan” and “tarriff the shit out of everything” are not policies.  And even if he did have an actual legit policy how do you ever just take his word for it that’s what he’ll do.  He’ll say anything to get elected and his only compass is what will benefit him the most.

    Maybe less policy specific, but many people look back to 5 or 6 years ago and enough people see their situation as better back then.
    More people could afford a home, more people could afford a car as compared to now. Between the huge spike in housing costs and interest  rates compared to 5 years ago, a monthly mortgage has doubled, even tripled in from 5 years ago. You can argue how much of that has to do with trump and Biden/Harris, but many people are comparing their lives to 5 years ago. They see houses bought in 2019 have a mortgage of $1200, that same house today has a mortgage of $3000.
    Like I said, you can argue how much trump and Biden impact that, but that does effect votes.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,650
    jimjam1982 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    really? I was just going to answer and say that it is likely things that the right manufactured and here we are
    DEI and CRT are just fancy ways of saying racism against whites. 

    Racism will not be tolerated any longer in this country. The Obama era is over.
    Are you 12 years old
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,814
    Hobbes said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.
    If you don't think that is what people are afraid of then you need to read up more. Had to google them? Thats exactly what comes up as answers if u do.  Good on you!
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,924
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tbergs said:
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
    Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.
    So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 
    If you don't think sexism played a factor, i don't know that there's anything i can say to change your mind. Just go out there and read about the numerous women and men who don't think a woman should be president. That's an x factor she was born with and can't change, but yet the White male con man can do whatever he wants.
    As I replied to one of your sexism posts yesterday, Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), and she didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female. 


    Yep.  The Democrats botched this election so badly.  Put everything behind a senile old man who was clearly not well and then had to pivot to the highly unpopular VP after the debate disaster.  And then they just anoint Harris into the nomination.  Not shocked at all by these results.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,814
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    really? I was just going to answer and say that it is likely things that the right manufactured and here we are
    That is definitely a focal point of the people who voted.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,703
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    really? I was just going to answer and say that it is likely things that the right manufactured and here we are
    That is definitely a focal point of the people who voted.
     correct to some degree...but they are manufactured problems...like illegals voting and dems cooking elections...clearly if either of the latter were true then the dems would never lose
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • battle1
    battle1 PHI Posts: 637
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    battle1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    battle1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    I blame the white men like Halifax to the Max.  
    That’s not all I blame it on. Get woke, yo.

    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/300352/end-of-the-american-republic/p2
    Are you angry at the Latinos too?  Or is it just the white mans fault?  
    Can you read?
    Ok, you need some time to digest.  I understand.  Everything will be ok, Halifax to the Max.  
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,814
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    really? I was just going to answer and say that it is likely things that the right manufactured and here we are
    That is definitely a focal point of the people who voted.
     correct to some degree...but they are manufactured problems...like illegals voting and dems cooking elections...clearly if either of the latter were true then the dems would never lose
    I put them up there with immigration and inflation as the 4 most talking points I see mentioned. And I do agree w you as manufactured problems.  I would even put in Trans in sports.  That one was a real biggie for a bit too.
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,616
    The voters spoke loud and clear and were clearly tired of having their cats and dogs being eaten by immigrants. 
  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Hobbes said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.
    If you don't think that is what people are afraid of then you need to read up more. Had to google them? Thats exactly what comes up as answers if u do.  Good on you!
    I've read up plenty. Familiar with the language. Seems you had to google them, though. Good on you!
  • lindamarie73
    lindamarie73 Posts: 491
    I’ll ride the RED WAVE where it takes me!!!!
    I cannot wait to hear this song live in coming days…Mahalo
  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,703
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    really? I was just going to answer and say that it is likely things that the right manufactured and here we are
    That is definitely a focal point of the people who voted.
     correct to some degree...but they are manufactured problems...like illegals voting and dems cooking elections...clearly if either of the latter were true then the dems would never lose
    I put them up there with immigration and inflation as the 4 most talking points I see mentioned. And I do agree w you as manufactured problems.  I would even put in Trans in sports.  That one was a real biggie for a bit too.
    definitely...and the whole "prison inmates getting sex changes" thing...which was a policy started under trump, somehow got hung on Harris' neck.

    It's just funny how things flip with now the dems needing to reinvent and the gop happy as hell...really fucked up time we live in
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,959
    You know I have concerns about a lot of things.  I know Trump will do crazy things.  I do worry about my retirement, inflation if tariffs out of control and if so-called trump tax breaks will raise my taxes again.

    But the first thought in my head is how awful it must feel if you are Ukrainian.  You are likely to be abandoned and Trump will allow his daddy to steal land....crazy.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,359
    Hobbes said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

    I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,616
    jerparker20 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
    Don’t agree with abandoning capitalism, but I’ve said to my wife for years that when prices became highly inflated during the pandemic, corporations were never going to willingly lower them again.

    i remember vividly during the pandemic the price of chicken wings being insanely high. Then I saw on the news a year or 2 later than supply, etc normalized and bulk prices returned to pre covid levels….

    BUT restaurants never reduced their menu prices and haven’t. And they never will. Inflation is high, largely because of corporate greed. Accept that. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,650
    cincybearcat said:
    You know I have concerns about a lot of things.  I know Trump will do crazy things.  I do worry about my retirement, inflation if tariffs out of control and if so-called trump tax breaks will raise my taxes again.

    But the first thought in my head is how awful it must feel if you are Ukrainian.  You are likely to be abandoned and Trump will allow his daddy to steal land....crazy.
    And what happens if China goes for Taiwan
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,024
    mookieblalock said:
    jerparker20 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
    Don’t agree with abandoning capitalism, but I’ve said to my wife for years that when prices became highly inflated during the pandemic, corporations were never going to willingly lower them again.

    i remember vividly during the pandemic the price of chicken wings being insanely high. Then I saw on the news a year or 2 later than supply, etc normalized and bulk prices returned to pre covid levels….

    BUT restaurants never reduced their menu prices and haven’t. And they never will. Inflation is high, largely because of corporate greed. Accept that. 
    Not only that about menu prices, but it seems like the tip percent keeps creeping up.
    Several times I've eaten out and the suggested options were started over 20%.

  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,296
    mookieblalock said:
    jerparker20 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
    Don’t agree with abandoning capitalism, but I’ve said to my wife for years that when prices became highly inflated during the pandemic, corporations were never going to willingly lower them again.

    i remember vividly during the pandemic the price of chicken wings being insanely high. Then I saw on the news a year or 2 later than supply, etc normalized and bulk prices returned to pre covid levels….

    BUT restaurants never reduced their menu prices and haven’t. And they never will. Inflation is high, largely because of corporate greed. Accept that. 
    100%.   Not just corporate greed though.  Individual greed.  Mahomes thinks he deserves $500M for throwing a football.  Raises price of tickets, concessions, tv deals, etc….  Trickles its way down the chain. 

    Not calling out Mahomes.  Just the crazy margins people/businesses expect to make.  

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