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  • battle1
    battle1 PHI Posts: 637
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    I blame the white men like Halifax to the Max.  
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,296
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
  • Hawk123
    Hawk123 Posts: 2,369
    pjl44 said:
    Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.
    It seems like throwing a tantrum worked just fine for Trump so maybe we throw all logic out the window and see what happens. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,703
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    I think the inflation bullshit got to them. Once again the ignorance of not understanding why we were dealing with it (it is global...just like gas prices) and accepting that Biden/Harris should be blamed may have tipped it to trump.

    Whatever. 
    If Joe and Kamala really outperformed the rest of the western world, and also what would have been with Trump at the reigns. Then maybe they should have been better at communicating this? Get people to think "We are lucky to have it this good, and they fight this global problem as good as possible" instead of "This is hell, let have someone else have a go. And fuck immigrants"

    I mean, you had daft PJ fans in here be all "Kamala created inflation" and in the swedish news coverage a bunch of people said they voted for Trump because of thee economy and basically "because he says he will fix it".
    That's my fear...I think in order to communicate to voters we now just have to lie and campaign via tiktok posts. 
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    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,066
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  • battle1
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    Viva la Trump. 
  • Force Of Nature
    Force Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,146
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
  • Ledbetterman10
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    tbergs said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tbergs said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
    Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.
    So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 
    If you don't think sexism played a factor, i don't know that there's anything i can say to change your mind. Just go out there and read about the numerous women and men who don't think a woman should be president. That's an x factor she was born with and can't change, but yet the White male con man can do whatever he wants.
    As I replied to one of your sexism posts yesterday, Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), and she didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,646
    edited November 2024
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tbergs said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
    Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.
    So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 
    They tried to make Kamala happen (and did as good a job they could with it). But I think all the "Joy" and stuff felt shallow to people because all she was, was "not Trump". Most people who in the end voted D did it because they didn't want Trump more than being swayed by Kamala. She doesn't have that Obama, Bill or Trump charisma. Or even Tim Waltz or Joe Biden (when he was snappier) charisma. Or AOC. 

    It's like when they try to make a Hollywood-actor like Henry Cavill happen. And they keep trying to will that actor into a leading star. No, you won't make this movie a success because no matter how you try to sell him Henry Cavill is not a draw.


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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tbergs said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
    Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.
    So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 
    They tried to make Kamala happen (and did as good a job they could with it). But I think all the "Joy" and stuff felt shallow to people because all she was, was "not Trump". Most people who in the end voted D did it because they didn't want Trump more than being swayed by Kamala. She doesn't have that Obama, Bill or Trump charisma. Or even Tim Waltz or Joe Biden (when he was snappier) charisma. Or AOC. 
    Or even your boy Bernie Sanders. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    battle1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    I blame the white men like Halifax to the Max.  
    That’s not all I blame it on. Get woke, yo.

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tbergs said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
    Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.
    So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 
    They tried to make Kamala happen (and did as good a job they could with it). But I think all the "Joy" and stuff felt shallow to people because all she was, was "not Trump". Most people who in the end voted D did it because they didn't want Trump more than being swayed by Kamala. She doesn't have that Obama, Bill or Trump charisma. Or even Tim Waltz or Joe Biden (when he was snappier) charisma. Or AOC. 
    Or even your boy Bernie Sanders. 
    Yes.

    No one would have voted for Sam Worthington in a primary. But he got to lead some films back after Avatar. And I mean, I always thought he had the look to be able to play Eddie in a biopic. BUT THAT IS BESIDE THE POINT.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,703
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    really? I was just going to answer and say that it is likely things that the right manufactured and here we are
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  • battle1
    battle1 PHI Posts: 637
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    battle1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    I blame the white men like Halifax to the Max.  
    That’s not all I blame it on. Get woke, yo.

    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/300352/end-of-the-american-republic/p2
    Are you angry at the Latinos too?  Or is it just the white mans fault?  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,646
    edited November 2024
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    In this election, seems to be trans-rights.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,066
    battle1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    battle1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    I blame the white men like Halifax to the Max.  
    That’s not all I blame it on. Get woke, yo.

    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/300352/end-of-the-american-republic/p2
    Are you angry at the Latinos too?  Or is it just the white mans fault?  
    Can you read?
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,179
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Hawk123
    Hawk123 Posts: 2,369
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    We’ll see, not sure how putting tariffs on all imports is going to decrease prices and starting trade wars that will reduce the demand for US exports. 
  • jimjam1982
    jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,471
    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Force Of Nature said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    really? I was just going to answer and say that it is likely things that the right manufactured and here we are
    DEI and CRT are just fancy ways of saying racism against whites. 

    Racism will not be tolerated any longer in this country. The Obama era is over.

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