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I leave that up to the experts who would presumably preside over the court. Could you provide the proof that Israel was responsible for the pager bombs? I don’t deny they’re the most likely suspect but we can’t throw out due process.Halifax2TheMax said:
“If?” Are you fucking kidding us? “If?”DarthMaeglin said:
You obviously did, several times.Halifax2TheMax said:
Point me to a post of yours criticizing Israel. Maybe I missed it?DarthMaeglin said:
You prove yourself a jackass when you accuse me of being one-sided like you. I have stated numerous times that both sides need to be held accountable but you seem to choose to ignore that fact.Halifax2TheMax said:
Guess you missed the reporting on the rape of Palestinian men in Israeli prisons, committed by Israeli IDF and prison personnel. Or the vast numbers of Palestinian children held in Israeli prisons without charges? But sure keep blaming one side for this shitshow. How do you explain the atrocities being committed by Israel in the West Bank since 10/7? When the US gives Hamas $4+ billion in economic and military aid, then we can discuss “yanking Hamas’s chain.” Keep believing the hype.DarthMaeglin said:
I don’t recall you ever being critical of Hamas specifically hiding behind the citizens who are ostensibly their responsibility to protect?Halifax2TheMax said:
Will you ever provide the link to your “raped and beheaded babies?” Their chain’s been yanked.DarthMaeglin said:
Again, will you ever yank Hamas’ chain?Halifax2TheMax said:
So the left should just look the other way as an apartheid state continues to commit atrocities and war crimes? With US tax payer dollars? Israel needs its fucking chain yanked. But remember, if POOTWH loses, it’ll be the Jews’ fault.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Is the anti-Israeli fervor misguided? Wrong? Occurring in a vacuum? Unjustified? Please explain.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Tell us again about that only “democracy” in the Middle East.
The Israeli military has in recent weeks used increasingly militarized tactics in the occupied West Bank. Around 700 people have been killed in the West Bank and east Jerusalem since October 7, including more than 150 children, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/20/middleeast/idf-investigating-soldiers-throwing-bodies-off-west-bank-roof-intl/index.htmlMay need to worry more about this democracy in a few weeks. Been awhile since commenting here, and I see the anti Israel fervor is as strong as ever. I certainly hope there is a peaceful solution to this war soon.
The problem for our democracy is Americans on both sides of this conflict historically vote for democrats. I see the vitriol is still there, at this point deservedly so. If there are a block of voters just as pissed off (probably are) Harris could be in real trouble.If the typical left leaners reply to my comment is this, trump will be the next president.
This article doesn’t mention infants so you got your “gotcha” but this article shows us who the animals are here.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/06/middleeast/rape-sexual-violence-hamas-israel-what-we-know-intl
Degrees of barbarianism doesn’t negate the existence of the barbarian.
I guess this proves that nuance is dead.
To reiterate, Israel has some very serious questions to answer about their response to the barbarity of October 7, when there had been a ceasefire in place.
As noted a couple days ago, if Israel is responsible for the pager and walkie-talkie attack, then that should be considered some sort of war crime, or maybe even terrorism as someone else suggested here.
I would hope my position is now sufficiently clear to you.
And “if” it is determined to your satisfaction that Israel is responsible for a “war crime” or “terrorism”, what should be the consequences?"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Sez the guy with an extremely fluid relationship with the facts. Thanks for your insightful contribution to the discussion?HughFreakingDillon said:hahah "jackass". civil as always."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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In reply to you no less.DarthMaeglin said:
I’ve stated several times in at least a couple threads that, yes, the Israeli government and military absolutely do have many serious questions to answer about their own actions. But so does Hamas, and as the instigators of this latest violence I personally start with them (there was a [fragile] ceasefire in place on October 6. It’s an inconvenient fact to some but it’s a fact.).Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you hold the Israeli government to the same standard? Or do you just “trust” them, because?DarthMaeglin said:
I've read enough of your posts to know you're smart and informed, so surely you must be aware that the Ministry of Health that you trust is part of the Hamas government. A government who has openly stated they want as many civilian casualties of their own citizens to achieve their so-called political goals. That is why I can't trust that organization's numbers.Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you doubt the Ministry of Health numbers? What would your own satisfaction consist of? Bodies lined up in neat rows with 3 independent outside organizations counting and comparing notes?DarthMaeglin said:
Thank you, sadly the best source seems to be Wikipedia. Two of the others use Hamas' numbers and the other is from May.Halifax2TheMax said:
Take your pick.DarthMaeglin said:
Those are the numbers Hamas has released, correct? Personally I need those numbers independently verified before I can accept them. If those aren’t numbers from Hamas I would genuinely be interested in your source.Halifax2TheMax said:
27,180 were women and children, if you believe the reporting that 2/3 were such, leaving 14,002 Hamas combatants.DarthMaeglin said:
How many of the 41,000 were combatants? Hamas makes no distinction.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm sure the families are understanding of your little asterisk.DarthMaeglin said:
How many of those were Hamas deliberately hiding behind? This is far from cut-and-dried.23scidoo said:At least 41.182 Palestinians has killed since 7 October..
Where does the doctor who was holding Israelis for Hamas fall in their count?
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-war-un-revises-death-toll-women-and-children
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-trackerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
https://apnews.com/article/gaza-death-toll-hamas-war-israel-40000-32a79e03c8eb62669412dab23d03219e
I don't think either of my questions has been answered to my own satisfaction, and I'm not sure they truly can be answered but I believe they are extremely relevant to this conversation.
I’d fathom it’s much higher than we know or realize based on the widespread flattening of buildings.
And the Wikipedia citation cites the UN’s Office of Humanitarian Affairs.
I honestly don't know what would completely satisfy me on this because no war ever yields a definitive body count, and I'm not going to guess at the actual body count.
As I said earlier this is far from cut-and-dried, despite efforts on both sides to make it so."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Answering questions is hardly a condemnation. But you do you.DarthMaeglin said:
In reply to you no less.DarthMaeglin said:
I’ve stated several times in at least a couple threads that, yes, the Israeli government and military absolutely do have many serious questions to answer about their own actions. But so does Hamas, and as the instigators of this latest violence I personally start with them (there was a [fragile] ceasefire in place on October 6. It’s an inconvenient fact to some but it’s a fact.).Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you hold the Israeli government to the same standard? Or do you just “trust” them, because?DarthMaeglin said:
I've read enough of your posts to know you're smart and informed, so surely you must be aware that the Ministry of Health that you trust is part of the Hamas government. A government who has openly stated they want as many civilian casualties of their own citizens to achieve their so-called political goals. That is why I can't trust that organization's numbers.Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you doubt the Ministry of Health numbers? What would your own satisfaction consist of? Bodies lined up in neat rows with 3 independent outside organizations counting and comparing notes?DarthMaeglin said:
Thank you, sadly the best source seems to be Wikipedia. Two of the others use Hamas' numbers and the other is from May.Halifax2TheMax said:
Take your pick.DarthMaeglin said:
Those are the numbers Hamas has released, correct? Personally I need those numbers independently verified before I can accept them. If those aren’t numbers from Hamas I would genuinely be interested in your source.Halifax2TheMax said:
27,180 were women and children, if you believe the reporting that 2/3 were such, leaving 14,002 Hamas combatants.DarthMaeglin said:
How many of the 41,000 were combatants? Hamas makes no distinction.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm sure the families are understanding of your little asterisk.DarthMaeglin said:
How many of those were Hamas deliberately hiding behind? This is far from cut-and-dried.23scidoo said:At least 41.182 Palestinians has killed since 7 October..
Where does the doctor who was holding Israelis for Hamas fall in their count?
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-war-un-revises-death-toll-women-and-children
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-trackerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
https://apnews.com/article/gaza-death-toll-hamas-war-israel-40000-32a79e03c8eb62669412dab23d03219e
I don't think either of my questions has been answered to my own satisfaction, and I'm not sure they truly can be answered but I believe they are extremely relevant to this conversation.
I’d fathom it’s much higher than we know or realize based on the widespread flattening of buildings.
And the Wikipedia citation cites the UN’s Office of Humanitarian Affairs.
I honestly don't know what would completely satisfy me on this because no war ever yields a definitive body count, and I'm not going to guess at the actual body count.
As I said earlier this is far from cut-and-dried, despite efforts on both sides to make it so.
It’s also a fact that Israel has treated the Palestinians and specifically those in Gaza as residents of an apartheid state since at least 2006 when Hamas was elected. Seeing how all Israelis , except the ultra orthodox, are required to serve in the IDF, doesn’t that make Israeli “civilians” legitimate targets? Or is that only when it’s a nuclear armed “state” subsidized to $4 billion + US dollars per year to be excused for considering all Palestinians the enemy?
Maybe you can link to “the couple other threads” where you’ve been critical, particularly equally critical, of the Israeli state and its government? Like a link to the propaganda you spread. Be careful, because if you do and a certain poster sees it, you’ll be labeled an anti-Semite.
Again, you post as if Israel bears no responsibility whatsoever for what occurred on 10/7 and why, particularly with Bibi’s roll and leadership, if you can call it that. This conflict, for you, began, on 10/7. Nothing could be further from the truth.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Wow.Halifax2TheMax said:
Answering questions is hardly a condemnation. But you do you.DarthMaeglin said:
In reply to you no less.DarthMaeglin said:
I’ve stated several times in at least a couple threads that, yes, the Israeli government and military absolutely do have many serious questions to answer about their own actions. But so does Hamas, and as the instigators of this latest violence I personally start with them (there was a [fragile] ceasefire in place on October 6. It’s an inconvenient fact to some but it’s a fact.).Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you hold the Israeli government to the same standard? Or do you just “trust” them, because?DarthMaeglin said:
I've read enough of your posts to know you're smart and informed, so surely you must be aware that the Ministry of Health that you trust is part of the Hamas government. A government who has openly stated they want as many civilian casualties of their own citizens to achieve their so-called political goals. That is why I can't trust that organization's numbers.Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you doubt the Ministry of Health numbers? What would your own satisfaction consist of? Bodies lined up in neat rows with 3 independent outside organizations counting and comparing notes?DarthMaeglin said:
Thank you, sadly the best source seems to be Wikipedia. Two of the others use Hamas' numbers and the other is from May.Halifax2TheMax said:
Take your pick.DarthMaeglin said:
Those are the numbers Hamas has released, correct? Personally I need those numbers independently verified before I can accept them. If those aren’t numbers from Hamas I would genuinely be interested in your source.Halifax2TheMax said:
27,180 were women and children, if you believe the reporting that 2/3 were such, leaving 14,002 Hamas combatants.DarthMaeglin said:
How many of the 41,000 were combatants? Hamas makes no distinction.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm sure the families are understanding of your little asterisk.DarthMaeglin said:
How many of those were Hamas deliberately hiding behind? This is far from cut-and-dried.23scidoo said:At least 41.182 Palestinians has killed since 7 October..
Where does the doctor who was holding Israelis for Hamas fall in their count?
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-war-un-revises-death-toll-women-and-children
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-trackerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
https://apnews.com/article/gaza-death-toll-hamas-war-israel-40000-32a79e03c8eb62669412dab23d03219e
I don't think either of my questions has been answered to my own satisfaction, and I'm not sure they truly can be answered but I believe they are extremely relevant to this conversation.
I’d fathom it’s much higher than we know or realize based on the widespread flattening of buildings.
And the Wikipedia citation cites the UN’s Office of Humanitarian Affairs.
I honestly don't know what would completely satisfy me on this because no war ever yields a definitive body count, and I'm not going to guess at the actual body count.
As I said earlier this is far from cut-and-dried, despite efforts on both sides to make it so.
It’s also a fact that Israel has treated the Palestinians and specifically those in Gaza as residents of an apartheid state since at least 2006 when Hamas was elected. Seeing how all Israelis , except the ultra orthodox, are required to serve in the IDF, doesn’t that make Israeli “civilians” legitimate targets? Or is that only when it’s a nuclear armed “state” subsidized to $4 billion + US dollars per year to be excused for considering all Palestinians the enemy?
Maybe you can link to “the couple other threads” where you’ve been critical, particularly equally critical, of the Israeli state and its government? Like a link to the propaganda you spread. Be careful, because if you do and a certain poster sees it, you’ll be labeled an anti-Semite.
Again, you post as if Israel bears no responsibility whatsoever for what occurred on 10/7 and why, particularly with Bibi’s roll and leadership, if you can call it that. This conflict, for you, began, on 10/7. Nothing could be further from the truth."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Thanks for the insightful contribution to the conversation andDarthMaeglin said:
Wow.Halifax2TheMax said:
Answering questions is hardly a condemnation. But you do you.DarthMaeglin said:
In reply to you no less.DarthMaeglin said:
I’ve stated several times in at least a couple threads that, yes, the Israeli government and military absolutely do have many serious questions to answer about their own actions. But so does Hamas, and as the instigators of this latest violence I personally start with them (there was a [fragile] ceasefire in place on October 6. It’s an inconvenient fact to some but it’s a fact.).Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you hold the Israeli government to the same standard? Or do you just “trust” them, because?DarthMaeglin said:
I've read enough of your posts to know you're smart and informed, so surely you must be aware that the Ministry of Health that you trust is part of the Hamas government. A government who has openly stated they want as many civilian casualties of their own citizens to achieve their so-called political goals. That is why I can't trust that organization's numbers.Halifax2TheMax said:
Why do you doubt the Ministry of Health numbers? What would your own satisfaction consist of? Bodies lined up in neat rows with 3 independent outside organizations counting and comparing notes?DarthMaeglin said:
Thank you, sadly the best source seems to be Wikipedia. Two of the others use Hamas' numbers and the other is from May.Halifax2TheMax said:
Take your pick.DarthMaeglin said:
Those are the numbers Hamas has released, correct? Personally I need those numbers independently verified before I can accept them. If those aren’t numbers from Hamas I would genuinely be interested in your source.Halifax2TheMax said:
27,180 were women and children, if you believe the reporting that 2/3 were such, leaving 14,002 Hamas combatants.DarthMaeglin said:
How many of the 41,000 were combatants? Hamas makes no distinction.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm sure the families are understanding of your little asterisk.DarthMaeglin said:
How many of those were Hamas deliberately hiding behind? This is far from cut-and-dried.23scidoo said:At least 41.182 Palestinians has killed since 7 October..
Where does the doctor who was holding Israelis for Hamas fall in their count?
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-war-un-revises-death-toll-women-and-children
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-trackerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
https://apnews.com/article/gaza-death-toll-hamas-war-israel-40000-32a79e03c8eb62669412dab23d03219e
I don't think either of my questions has been answered to my own satisfaction, and I'm not sure they truly can be answered but I believe they are extremely relevant to this conversation.
I’d fathom it’s much higher than we know or realize based on the widespread flattening of buildings.
And the Wikipedia citation cites the UN’s Office of Humanitarian Affairs.
I honestly don't know what would completely satisfy me on this because no war ever yields a definitive body count, and I'm not going to guess at the actual body count.
As I said earlier this is far from cut-and-dried, despite efforts on both sides to make it so.
It’s also a fact that Israel has treated the Palestinians and specifically those in Gaza as residents of an apartheid state since at least 2006 when Hamas was elected. Seeing how all Israelis , except the ultra orthodox, are required to serve in the IDF, doesn’t that make Israeli “civilians” legitimate targets? Or is that only when it’s a nuclear armed “state” subsidized to $4 billion + US dollars per year to be excused for considering all Palestinians the enemy?
Maybe you can link to “the couple other threads” where you’ve been critical, particularly equally critical, of the Israeli state and its government? Like a link to the propaganda you spread. Be careful, because if you do and a certain poster sees it, you’ll be labeled an anti-Semite.
Again, you post as if Israel bears no responsibility whatsoever for what occurred on 10/7 and why, particularly with Bibi’s roll and leadership, if you can call it that. This conflict, for you, began, on 10/7. Nothing could be further from the truth.
your condemnation of Israel’s planned actions for Gaza City.Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Nah, couldn’t have been Israel. Not at all. We’ll have to wait for the trail and a rigorous defense before passing judgement. You know, due process and all.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-planted-explosives-hezbollahs-taiwan-made-pagers-say-sources-2024-09-18/
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This article contains no proof, just assertions.Halifax2TheMax said:Nah, couldn’t have been Israel. Not at all. We’ll have to wait for the trail and a rigorous defense before passing judgement. You know, due process and all.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-planted-explosives-hezbollahs-taiwan-made-pagers-say-sources-2024-09-18/"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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You let us know when representatives of Israel show up in a court, any court that will suffice for you, and mount their vigorous defense of the "assertions" made in the article.DarthMaeglin said:
This article contains no proof, just assertions.Halifax2TheMax said:Nah, couldn’t have been Israel. Not at all. We’ll have to wait for the trail and a rigorous defense before passing judgement. You know, due process and all.
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HughFreakingDillon said:You think americans are more worried in this election about a foreign war than their own economy/rights?Polls are extremely tight. My comment was about the division among democrats and it was supportive of finding a peaceful solution. Hal’s reply was divisive, because it was interested in assigning blame.
because Americans on both sides of this issue historically vote democrat, if voters on either side get angry with actions from Biden/Harris, it could only decrease democratic turnout. One percent or less could decide swing states. For some voters, this is a key issue. Trump is outperforming his polling from 2020 and 2016. This is one of those reasons.0 -
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Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
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Any idea who planted the exploding pagers and walkie talkies?mickeyrat said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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They're waiting for unwavering support of their covert mass terrorist attack. It's ok, the US has done much worse so we'll just admire their work from afar and play dumb for now when it comes to intelligence in that region.Halifax2TheMax said:
Any idea who planted the exploding pagers and walkie talkies?mickeyrat said:It's a hopeless situation...0 -
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Sez the guy with an extremely fluid relationship with the facts. Thanks for your insightful contribution to the discussion?HughFreakingDillon said:hahah "jackass". civil as always.
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Any idea on who might be responsible for the exploding pagers and walkie talkies?mickeyrat said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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So when was a brick thrown at Trudeau’s head? Yeah, fucking hilarious.HughFreakingDillon said:DarthMaeglin said:
Sez the guy with an extremely fluid relationship with the facts. Thanks for your insightful contribution to the discussion?HughFreakingDillon said:hahah "jackass". civil as always.
Do you intentionally grossly misconstrue the facts (because this wasn’t the first instance) or you honestly remember events so inaccurately? Again you’ll avoid my question as to whether you do it intentionally (disinformation) or not (misinformation), however with the Trudeau example I remember you being an active participant in that discussion so you should have known better. Fucking hilarious.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6835722
Hugh, at this point I honestly feel your every post to me now amounts to nothing more than trolling, because you just snipe at me and as I observed don’t add anything of substance to the discussion. All you add is your derision."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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