Waitasec, how is this quote from the column not a specific to be discussed?
”Holocaust exceptionalism is what this report seems to recommend,” was one of them smears lobbed out. Another was a claim that the report is “criminalizing opposition to Zionism” and “prioritizing the comfort of Jewish people over the actual safety of Palestinians.”
Again, several Jewish schools have been shot at and vandalized. That’s not a matter of comfort.
so criticism of the report is antisemitic? this was targeting specific people, individuals or a group from a synagogue?
I never said that, but I guess the reporting that was done by an established journalist is considered fake news here.
Supported by statements from multiple elected officials who were present at the meeting.
A tabloid without the benefit of the minutes of what was actually said. Awful lot of speculation about what the speakers said and what it must have meant, i.e being critical of Zionists means you lust for the destruction of Israel. I assume you’re aware of the Israeli government’s well funded publicity machine that tries to shut down any criticism of Israel in any and all forums, from college campuses, public demonstrations, public hearings, etc. You know that, right? I’m sure you also know that Islamophobia hate attacks in Canada are way up too and nary a word on these very forums. The 8th anniversary of the Quebec City mosque attack was just a couple of weeks ago. Remember that?
Edited to add that one would need to read the report that was being commented on and reject the spin that being told to just pass it as is or otherwise you’re antisemitic. That’s not how democracy works.
When a “tabloid” is the only source reporting on it that’s all we can go on. If the reporter has invented the quotes used then they should suffer consequences. But the quotes are supported by several elected officials.
Criticizing Israel isn’t inherently antisemetic, but ONLY criticizing Israel can very easily be interpreted as such. Just like criticizing Hamas isn’t Islamophobic, but only criticizing Hamas could be seen (and is stated here) as Islamophobic.
But a tabloid isn’t the only source reporting on it. There are multitudes of better reporting that offer a bigger and more informed picture. I’m still looking for the actual report so if you find a link, please share. I do have a better understanding of what the report is and how and why it was issued but I didn’t get any of that from the link you shared.
Asking you point blank: is it acceptable for a school board meeting to turn into a hatefest, no matter the target?
“Hatefest?” I’m not convinced that’s what it turned into based upon one tabloid’s description of the events and in the absence of a transcript of what was said and the report being debated. The article you linked had a lot of supposition and assumptions in it. I need more context before I’d call it a “hatefest.” Was Nazi regalia worn? Did participants shout, “kill the Jews?” Who determines it’s a “hatefest?” But in general terms, no, a school board meeting shouldn’t become a “hatefest”, whatever the definition of one is (a KKK march or those whack jobs that protest military funerals because of gays, those are “hatefests” to me).
I shouldn’t have been foolish and asked a simple yes or no question.
“Hatefest” is extreme in the context of this discussion and the purported events as reported by a tabloid news source. Sorry not sorry I don’t subscribe to tabloid journalism.
So you would respond the same way if it was anti-Palestinian statements being made?
I intentionally made it a general question tied to no ethnicity.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Waitasec, how is this quote from the column not a specific to be discussed?
”Holocaust exceptionalism is what this report seems to recommend,” was one of them smears lobbed out. Another was a claim that the report is “criminalizing opposition to Zionism” and “prioritizing the comfort of Jewish people over the actual safety of Palestinians.”
Again, several Jewish schools have been shot at and vandalized. That’s not a matter of comfort.
so criticism of the report is antisemitic? this was targeting specific people, individuals or a group from a synagogue?
I never said that, but I guess the reporting that was done by an established journalist is considered fake news here.
Supported by statements from multiple elected officials who were present at the meeting.
A tabloid without the benefit of the minutes of what was actually said. Awful lot of speculation about what the speakers said and what it must have meant, i.e being critical of Zionists means you lust for the destruction of Israel. I assume you’re aware of the Israeli government’s well funded publicity machine that tries to shut down any criticism of Israel in any and all forums, from college campuses, public demonstrations, public hearings, etc. You know that, right? I’m sure you also know that Islamophobia hate attacks in Canada are way up too and nary a word on these very forums. The 8th anniversary of the Quebec City mosque attack was just a couple of weeks ago. Remember that?
Edited to add that one would need to read the report that was being commented on and reject the spin that being told to just pass it as is or otherwise you’re antisemitic. That’s not how democracy works.
When a “tabloid” is the only source reporting on it that’s all we can go on. If the reporter has invented the quotes used then they should suffer consequences. But the quotes are supported by several elected officials.
Criticizing Israel isn’t inherently antisemetic, but ONLY criticizing Israel can very easily be interpreted as such. Just like criticizing Hamas isn’t Islamophobic, but only criticizing Hamas could be seen (and is stated here) as Islamophobic.
But a tabloid isn’t the only source reporting on it. There are multitudes of better reporting that offer a bigger and more informed picture. I’m still looking for the actual report so if you find a link, please share. I do have a better understanding of what the report is and how and why it was issued but I didn’t get any of that from the link you shared.
Asking you point blank: is it acceptable for a school board meeting to turn into a hatefest, no matter the target?
“Hatefest?” I’m not convinced that’s what it turned into based upon one tabloid’s description of the events and in the absence of a transcript of what was said and the report being debated. The article you linked had a lot of supposition and assumptions in it. I need more context before I’d call it a “hatefest.” Was Nazi regalia worn? Did participants shout, “kill the Jews?” Who determines it’s a “hatefest?” But in general terms, no, a school board meeting shouldn’t become a “hatefest”, whatever the definition of one is (a KKK march or those whack jobs that protest military funerals because of gays, those are “hatefests” to me).
I shouldn’t have been foolish and asked a simple yes or no question.
“Hatefest” is extreme in the context of this discussion and the purported events as reported by a tabloid news source. Sorry not sorry I don’t subscribe to tabloid journalism.
So you would respond the same way if it was anti-Palestinian statements being made?
I intentionally made it a general question tied to no ethnicity.
I would want transcripts of what was said and who and what was reported to come from a source other than a pro-Hamas advocate. And I answered your question with a “no” but it was too much to ask you to read through my full thoughts on the issue. Not everything is black and white or yes and no.
Waitasec, how is this quote from the column not a specific to be discussed?
”Holocaust exceptionalism is what this report seems to recommend,” was one of them smears lobbed out. Another was a claim that the report is “criminalizing opposition to Zionism” and “prioritizing the comfort of Jewish people over the actual safety of Palestinians.”
Again, several Jewish schools have been shot at and vandalized. That’s not a matter of comfort.
so criticism of the report is antisemitic? this was targeting specific people, individuals or a group from a synagogue?
I never said that, but I guess the reporting that was done by an established journalist is considered fake news here.
Supported by statements from multiple elected officials who were present at the meeting.
A tabloid without the benefit of the minutes of what was actually said. Awful lot of speculation about what the speakers said and what it must have meant, i.e being critical of Zionists means you lust for the destruction of Israel. I assume you’re aware of the Israeli government’s well funded publicity machine that tries to shut down any criticism of Israel in any and all forums, from college campuses, public demonstrations, public hearings, etc. You know that, right? I’m sure you also know that Islamophobia hate attacks in Canada are way up too and nary a word on these very forums. The 8th anniversary of the Quebec City mosque attack was just a couple of weeks ago. Remember that?
Edited to add that one would need to read the report that was being commented on and reject the spin that being told to just pass it as is or otherwise you’re antisemitic. That’s not how democracy works.
When a “tabloid” is the only source reporting on it that’s all we can go on. If the reporter has invented the quotes used then they should suffer consequences. But the quotes are supported by several elected officials.
Criticizing Israel isn’t inherently antisemetic, but ONLY criticizing Israel can very easily be interpreted as such. Just like criticizing Hamas isn’t Islamophobic, but only criticizing Hamas could be seen (and is stated here) as Islamophobic.
But a tabloid isn’t the only source reporting on it. There are multitudes of better reporting that offer a bigger and more informed picture. I’m still looking for the actual report so if you find a link, please share. I do have a better understanding of what the report is and how and why it was issued but I didn’t get any of that from the link you shared.
Asking you point blank: is it acceptable for a school board meeting to turn into a hatefest, no matter the target?
“Hatefest?” I’m not convinced that’s what it turned into based upon one tabloid’s description of the events and in the absence of a transcript of what was said and the report being debated. The article you linked had a lot of supposition and assumptions in it. I need more context before I’d call it a “hatefest.” Was Nazi regalia worn? Did participants shout, “kill the Jews?” Who determines it’s a “hatefest?” But in general terms, no, a school board meeting shouldn’t become a “hatefest”, whatever the definition of one is (a KKK march or those whack jobs that protest military funerals because of gays, those are “hatefests” to me).
I shouldn’t have been foolish and asked a simple yes or no question.
“Hatefest” is extreme in the context of this discussion and the purported events as reported by a tabloid news source. Sorry not sorry I don’t subscribe to tabloid journalism.
So you would respond the same way if it was anti-Palestinian statements being made?
I intentionally made it a general question tied to no ethnicity.
I would want transcripts of what was said and who and what was reported to come from a source other than a pro-Hamas advocate. And I answered your question with a “no” but it was too much to ask you to read through my full thoughts on the issue. Not everything is black and white or yes and no.
I can’t deal with your berating today, enjoy yourself.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
Please remember to discuss, disagree and debate politely. It's possible to disagree with people without being abusive, and it's a requirement here. Thank you.
I wonder how this is playing in Israel? Are they ready for a new influx of 21st century refugees? Who will pay the price if and when it happens? Oh yea, right, nevermind. But maybe Jared Dear Boy and his Saudi $2B will come to the rescue?
Scholz blasts Vance’s support for Germany’s far right
Some see the Trump administration actively promoting political extremism in the West.
BERLIN — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Saturday blasted Vice President JD Vance for his support of the far right in the country that gave rise to Adolf Hitler, accusing the American vice president of interfering in domestic affairs less than 10 days before national elections.
Vance’s denunciation of efforts by the German establishment to keep the far right out of power sparked a wave of condemnation from senior officials and pundits, some of whom saw a U.S. administration actively promoting political extremism in the West.
Vance on Friday used a major security conference in Munich to criticize the country’s political “fire wall” — the post-World War II agreement by mainstream parties to block the far right from being part of any government. Vance punctuated his point by later meeting with Alice Weidel, the co-leader of the anti-migrant Alternative for Germany party, or AfD, which is polling in second place. The AfD denies being a far-right party but is classified by German intelligence as a suspected extremist group. One of the party’s most polemic figures has been convicted and fined for using a banned Nazi slogan.
Vance’s comments appeared to shatter a taboo. On Saturday, Scholz criticized him for visiting the Dachau concentration camp on Thursday only to meet with and voice support for far-right leaders hours later.
In a keynote address, Scholz noted that the United States helped overthrow Nazism. “‘Never again’ is the historical mission that Germany, as a free democracy, must and wants to continue to live up to day after day,” he said. “Never again fascism, never again racism, never again war of aggression.”
“A commitment to ‘never again’ is therefore incompatible with support for the AfD,” Scholz said, to resounding applause. “That is why we will not accept outsiders intervening in our democracy, in our elections and in the democratic formation of opinion on behalf of this party.”
Vance’s moves offered a sobering illustration of the extent to which the Trump administration is willing to directly align with and boost Europe’s hard-right nationalists who have espoused anti-migrant, anti-LGBTQ+ and pro-Russian views.
For Europe and especially Germany, it was a wake-up call. Traditional politicians in Europe now find themselves caught between an unorthodox, mercurial leader in Washington and a belligerent strongman in Moscow. Russian President Vladimir Putin has worked for decades to undermine liberal democracy in Europe. President Donald Trump, meanwhile, has vowed to squeeze European allies through a trade war and sideline them in talks with Putin over the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
16 Palestinians said wounded east of Bethlehem in attack by armed settlers
Some 40 settlers said to beat, spray tear gas and sic dogs on victims, including pregnant woman; IDF says it sent forces to break up violence; no reports of arrests
Sixteen Palestinians were wounded in a settler attack Friday outside the village of Al-Minya, east of Bethlehem, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent.
The Palestinian Authority’s official WAFA news agency cited Al-Minya council chair Zayed Kawazba as saying the settlers wielded sticks, rifle butts, tear gas and pepper spray. The attackers were said to burn two cars, ransack tents, and cause damage to vehicles and solar panels.
The victims suffered fractures and suffocation, and five Palestinians were taken to the hospital, said WAFA. According to Haaretz, the victims included a pregnant woman. Two of the wounded were said to have had dogs sicced on them.
The IDF said it sent troops to the scene, near where settlers have reportedly set up an illegal outpost. Security sources cited by Ynet said about 40 settlers were involved in the attack. There were no reports of arrests, which have been rare in cases of settler violence.
Haaretz cited the IDF as saying all victims sustained light wounds. The newspaper said the military confirmed at least six Palestinians were injured by settlers who broke into their home.
No it doesn’t exist. It’s not real. The Toronto School Board is in on it, too. It’s all fake news.
Just wanting the two sides to negotiate peace gets humans to curse me out on this forum, and no action is ever taken as a result.
Yes Netanyahu is an extremist, but what can be expected when its neighbor votes for Hamas and does nothing to stop their authoritarian takeover of their land? And support repeated violent attacks on civilians? At least they can vote. Speak against that, wanting peace, gets you cursed out here. Because I want peace I must support Netanyahu. It’s endless from those who cannot see anything other than continued war.
Worth including part of your link:
“ B’nai Brith Canada director of research and advocacy Richard Robertson, who attended the Wednesday session, is asking Ontario’s Education Ministry to investigate the board’s chair who B’nai Brith feel “completely failed to enforce the TDSB’s own rules around decorum” and “neglected to intervene when speakers invoked antisemitic tropes, demonized Zionists, and trafficked in disinformation.””
No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :
“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.
The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
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"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :
“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.
The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
I thought the article contained no details, lol?
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :
“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.
The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
I live in Toronto and remember the incident you quoted. It is accurately described here. If you require confirmation it’s on you to seek out the reporting from the time of the incident.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
No it doesn’t exist. It’s not real. The Toronto School Board is in on it, too. It’s all fake news.
Just wanting the two sides to negotiate peace gets humans to curse me out on this forum, and no action is ever taken as a result.
Yes Netanyahu is an extremist, but what can be expected when its neighbor votes for Hamas and does nothing to stop their authoritarian takeover of their land? And support repeated violent attacks on civilians? At least they can vote. Speak against that, wanting peace, gets you cursed out here. Because I want peace I must support Netanyahu. It’s endless from those who cannot see anything other than continued war.
Worth including part of your link:
“ B’nai Brith Canada director of research and advocacy Richard Robertson, who attended the Wednesday session, is asking Ontario’s Education Ministry to investigate the board’s chair who B’nai Brith feel “completely failed to enforce the TDSB’s own rules around decorum” and “neglected to intervene when speakers invoked antisemitic tropes, demonized Zionists, and trafficked in disinformation.””
Do you equate all Palestinians with Hamas?
yes or no.
previous statements leave a strong impression as to the answer. looking for an explicit affirmation or denial.
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No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :
“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.
The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
I thought the article contained no details, lol?
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :
“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.
The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
I live in Toronto and remember the incident you quoted. It is accurately described here. If you require confirmation it’s on you to seek out the reporting from the time of the incident.
You’re conflating my discussion of two incidents into one.
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"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
The point I was trying to make with the quoted piece was just offering an example of how we often tend to believe things easier when it bends to our biases.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :
“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.
The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
I thought the article contained no details, lol?
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.
I’m trying to figure out what the standard is here, maybe I’m confused by your writing. Has nothing to do with a gotcha.
First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
The point I was trying to make with the quoted piece was just offering an example of how we often tend to believe things easier when it bends to our biases.
I won’t dispute that.
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :
“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.
The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
I thought the article contained no details, lol?
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.
I’m trying to figure out what the standard is here, maybe I’m confused by your writing. Has nothing to do with a gotcha.
First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
the original point of "no details, no judgment" stands. The article gives no details, only that certain people support the account, etc etc. I haven't read or heard one word of what transpired at the school board meeting. There's no details in that article about the meeting.
My second point was as I stated above, that the reason I no longer just kneejerk believes things is because of, partly, that cutting hijab false incident. I'm not saying the school board meeting didn't devolve into some anti-Semitic rant, I just haven't seen any first hand accounts of what it was. And part of that stems from, and I'm going to tread lightly as I can here...whenever I see someone scream "anti-semite", I honestly pay nearly zero attention. Almost any criticism of the israeli government, not any mention of jewish people themselves, and you are IMMEDIATELY branded an anti-semite, you are pro-war, you are directly or indirectly calling for the extermination of the jewish people etc. Just look at that other poster's replies to anyone who disagrees with them. And they are not the outlier. I've seen it time and again, and it just desensitizes people to the true nature and dangers of anti-semitism.
Just like I don't support every woman's failure to reach the pinnacle is misogyny. Just like I don't support every black man's job loss as racism.
100% those things happen. But those things happen aren't 100%.
It's like, ok, I support israel's right to exist. But I no longer support your fight for it. It's exhausting being on the same team and being attacked constantly while doing it.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I’m happy to agree with you again, Trump’s “plan” is utterly asinine. It also occurs to me that isn’t forced displacement of a people one of the listed acts of genocide? (I’ll edit shortly with some sort of answer to that.)
Edit: I hope the UN is an acceptable source, forced displacement isn’t an act of genocide but a war crime.
No one said it didn’t happen. Taken right from the Toronto sun article :
“…political leaders, who were rightfully horrified by this kind of Islamophobic assault – of course they didn’t realize that, once it was investigated by Toronto Police, it was determined to be untrue.
The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
I thought the article contained no details, lol?
I was obviously talking about the school board meeting when I said that. The details quoted above are from a separate incident, from the same article, but your insatiable thirst for a gotcha moment betrayed you.
I’m trying to figure out what the standard is here, maybe I’m confused by your writing. Has nothing to do with a gotcha.
First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
the original point of "no details, no judgment" stands. The article gives no details, only that certain people support the account, etc etc. I haven't read or heard one word of what transpired at the school board meeting. There's no details in that article about the meeting.
My second point was as I stated above, that the reason I no longer just kneejerk believes things is because of, partly, that cutting hijab false incident. I'm not saying the school board meeting didn't devolve into some anti-Semitic rant, I just haven't seen any first hand accounts of what it was. And part of that stems from, and I'm going to tread lightly as I can here...whenever I see someone scream "anti-semite", I honestly pay nearly zero attention. Almost any criticism of the israeli government, not any mention of jewish people themselves, and you are IMMEDIATELY branded an anti-semite, you are pro-war, you are directly or indirectly calling for the extermination of the jewish people etc. Just look at that other poster's replies to anyone who disagrees with them. And they are not the outlier. I've seen it time and again, and it just desensitizes people to the true nature and dangers of anti-semitism.
Just like I don't support every woman's failure to reach the pinnacle is misogyny. Just like I don't support every black man's job loss as racism.
100% those things happen. But those things happen aren't 100%.
It's like, ok, I support israel's right to exist. But I no longer support your fight for it. It's exhausting being on the same team and being attacked constantly while doing it.
Thank you for explaining, I need to point out there were two reliable (at least to me) sources in the first column: one of the trustees and a city councillor who was present.
And it would be nice to not be dismissed as labelling anyone criticizing Israel as an antisemite. I don’t believe I’ve ever said that and have explained my point of view a few posts back.
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And we were told that the West Bank didn’t attack Israel on 10/07. Guess they’re all Hamas? We were also told Israel wants peace. Sure, sure they do.
Israel demolishes West Bank apartment buildings as military campaign displaces tens of thousands of Palestinians
Israeli forces demolished more than a dozen apartment buildings at a refugee camp in the occupied West Bank on Tuesday, a Palestinian official told CNN, the latest move in a military operation that has displaced tens of thousands of Palestinians.
Since Hamas’ October 7, 2023, attack, Israel has engaged in an increasingly militarized campaign that it says targets West Bank militants, employing tactics like airstrikes that were once nearly unheard of there.
The Israel Defense Forces launched a major campaign - “Operation Iron Wall” - focused on the northern West Bank last month.
That operation, Israel’s defense minister said last month, was explicitly applying the lessons of Israel’s “repeated raids in Gaza.” Israel’s war in Gaza has destroyed around 90% of housing units, according to the United Nations.
The West Bank operation has displaced at least 40,000 Palestinians in the northern West Bank from their homes, according to the United Nations.
Abdullah Kamil, the governor of Tulkarem in the West Bank, told CNN Wednesday that the demolitions carried out Tuesday destroyed buildings that had housed dozens of families over several floors.
“The Israeli military are doing this under pretext of security and fighting terrorism,” he said. It is a “purely political” operation, he alleged, to satisfy hardliners in the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
In November, Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich – who is in charge of Jewish settlements in the West Bank – ordered preparations for the annexation of the settlements, saying that US President Donald Trump’s victory “brings an important opportunity for the state of Israel.”
Palestinians want the West Bank, as well as Gaza and occupied East Jerusalem, for a future independent state. Jewish settlements there are considered illegal under international law.
Israel launched Operation Iron Wall two days after the Gaza ceasefire began, saying it was aimed at eliminating “terrorists and terror infrastructure” and at “ensuring terrorism does not return” following its completion. The Israeli military said on Tuesday that its soldiers were operating in Tulkarem to “neutralize terrorist infrastructure.” It said that its clearing operations would enable “freedom of movement within the camp area, thereby enhancing operational flexibility for forces to effectively thwart terrorism in the region.”
Videos on a Palestinian television channel showed bulldozers demolishing homes in what the outlet said was Tulkarem refugee camp. Other videos seen by CNN from a local journalist showed the scene from another angle with a bulldozer in the tight streets of the refugee camp and soldiers walking in its alleys.
The Israeli military also said Tuesday it had arrested 25 people in the northern West Bank it says were suspected of “involvement in terrorist activity across the area.”
“During the activity, the troops collected findings and weapons used by the enemy,” the military added.
‘Spillover’ of Gaza war
Israel’s military operation in the West Bank that started in the Jenin refugee camp last month has since expanded to the Tulkarem, Nur Shams, and El Far’a refugee camps, according to UNRWA, the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees.
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I intentionally made it a general question tied to no ethnicity.
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https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/warmington-tdsb-accepts-report-on-antisemitism-in-schools-but-damage-already-done
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Scholz blasts Vance’s support for Germany’s far right
Some see the Trump administration actively promoting political extremism in the West.
BERLIN — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Saturday blasted Vice President JD Vance for his support of the far right in the country that gave rise to Adolf Hitler, accusing the American vice president of interfering in domestic affairs less than 10 days before national elections.
Vance’s denunciation of efforts by the German establishment to keep the far right out of power sparked a wave of condemnation from senior officials and pundits, some of whom saw a U.S. administration actively promoting political extremism in the West.
Vance on Friday used a major security conference in Munich to criticize the country’s political “fire wall” — the post-World War II agreement by mainstream parties to block the far right from being part of any government. Vance punctuated his point by later meeting with Alice Weidel, the co-leader of the anti-migrant Alternative for Germany party, or AfD, which is polling in second place. The AfD denies being a far-right party but is classified by German intelligence as a suspected extremist group. One of the party’s most polemic figures has been convicted and fined for using a banned Nazi slogan.
Vance’s comments appeared to shatter a taboo. On Saturday, Scholz criticized him for visiting the Dachau concentration camp on Thursday only to meet with and voice support for far-right leaders hours later.
In a keynote address, Scholz noted that the United States helped overthrow Nazism. “‘Never again’ is the historical mission that Germany, as a free democracy, must and wants to continue to live up to day after day,” he said. “Never again fascism, never again racism, never again war of aggression.”
“A commitment to ‘never again’ is therefore incompatible with support for the AfD,” Scholz said, to resounding applause. “That is why we will not accept outsiders intervening in our democracy, in our elections and in the democratic formation of opinion on behalf of this party.”
Vance’s moves offered a sobering illustration of the extent to which the Trump administration is willing to directly align with and boost Europe’s hard-right nationalists who have espoused anti-migrant, anti-LGBTQ+ and pro-Russian views.
For Europe and especially Germany, it was a wake-up call. Traditional politicians in Europe now find themselves caught between an unorthodox, mercurial leader in Washington and a belligerent strongman in Moscow. Russian President Vladimir Putin has worked for decades to undermine liberal democracy in Europe. President Donald Trump, meanwhile, has vowed to squeeze European allies through a trade war and sideline them in talks with Putin over the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/02/15/vance-germany-afd-scholz-weidel-far-right/
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16 Palestinians said wounded east of Bethlehem in attack by armed settlers
Some 40 settlers said to beat, spray tear gas and sic dogs on victims, including pregnant woman; IDF says it sent forces to break up violence; no reports of arrests
Sixteen Palestinians were wounded in a settler attack Friday outside the village of Al-Minya, east of Bethlehem, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent.
The Palestinian Authority’s official WAFA news agency cited Al-Minya council chair Zayed Kawazba as saying the settlers wielded sticks, rifle butts, tear gas and pepper spray. The attackers were said to burn two cars, ransack tents, and cause damage to vehicles and solar panels.
The victims suffered fractures and suffocation, and five Palestinians were taken to the hospital, said WAFA. According to Haaretz, the victims included a pregnant woman. Two of the wounded were said to have had dogs sicced on them.
The IDF said it sent troops to the scene, near where settlers have reportedly set up an illegal outpost. Security sources cited by Ynet said about 40 settlers were involved in the attack. There were no reports of arrests, which have been rare in cases of settler violence.
Haaretz cited the IDF as saying all victims sustained light wounds. The newspaper said the military confirmed at least six Palestinians were injured by settlers who broke into their home.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/16-palestinians-said-wounded-east-of-bethlehem-in-attack-by-armed-settlers/
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Just wanting the two sides to negotiate peace gets humans to curse me out on this forum, and no action is ever taken as a result.
The girl was taken at her word and none of those who side with her can be admonished because they were merely trying to do right by her. No kid should face religious or any discrimination or persecution at school.”.
All that was presented was generalities that we are supposed to just accept, but I don’t anymore because of shit like I posted above. In the absence of details/proof, I reserve judgement until there is.
Would I be quicker to believe without details if this were a situation involving MAGA? Probably. Why? Because I can admit we all have our own biases, just as you are likely to believe anything that reinforces your own victimhood.
Telling someone to “sit this one out” while adding a curse word for affect is not “cursing someone out”. Constantly playing the victim while literally smearing the character/intentionally lying about someone’s position on any given matter of anyone you disagree with is not a good look.
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Do you equate all Palestinians with Hamas?
yes or no.
previous statements leave a strong impression as to the answer. looking for an explicit affirmation or denial.
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First you’re utterly dismissive of Warmington’s first column then quote the second? Do you accept the account in the second article then? If so, what are your thoughts on the Jewish student quoted in that article? Is it possible the “Islamophobic” incident has made it easier for some to be dismissive of this student’s claims?
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My second point was as I stated above, that the reason I no longer just kneejerk believes things is because of, partly, that cutting hijab false incident. I'm not saying the school board meeting didn't devolve into some anti-Semitic rant, I just haven't seen any first hand accounts of what it was. And part of that stems from, and I'm going to tread lightly as I can here...whenever I see someone scream "anti-semite", I honestly pay nearly zero attention. Almost any criticism of the israeli government, not any mention of jewish people themselves, and you are IMMEDIATELY branded an anti-semite, you are pro-war, you are directly or indirectly calling for the extermination of the jewish people etc. Just look at that other poster's replies to anyone who disagrees with them. And they are not the outlier. I've seen it time and again, and it just desensitizes people to the true nature and dangers of anti-semitism.
Just like I don't support every woman's failure to reach the pinnacle is misogyny.
Just like I don't support every black man's job loss as racism.
100% those things happen.
But those things happen aren't 100%.
It's like, ok, I support israel's right to exist. But I no longer support your fight for it. It's exhausting being on the same team and being attacked constantly while doing it.
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Edit: I hope the UN is an acceptable source, forced displacement isn’t an act of genocide but a war crime.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
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And it would be nice to not be dismissed as labelling anyone criticizing Israel as an antisemite. I don’t believe I’ve ever said that and have explained my point of view a few posts back.
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I admit I’m guilty of posts that don’t allow for the nuances this discussion actually requires.
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Jewish man mistakes two Israeli tourists for Palestinians and opens fire on them in Miami
Victims reportedly posted ‘death to Arabs’ on social media after shooting while suspect held on attempted murder charges
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Israel demolishes West Bank apartment buildings as military campaign displaces tens of thousands of Palestinians
Israeli forces demolished more than a dozen apartment buildings at a refugee camp in the occupied West Bank on Tuesday, a Palestinian official told CNN, the latest move in a military operation that has displaced tens of thousands of Palestinians.
Since Hamas’ October 7, 2023, attack, Israel has engaged in an increasingly militarized campaign that it says targets West Bank militants, employing tactics like airstrikes that were once nearly unheard of there.
The Israel Defense Forces launched a major campaign - “Operation Iron Wall” - focused on the northern West Bank last month.
That operation, Israel’s defense minister said last month, was explicitly applying the lessons of Israel’s “repeated raids in Gaza.” Israel’s war in Gaza has destroyed around 90% of housing units, according to the United Nations.
The West Bank operation has displaced at least 40,000 Palestinians in the northern West Bank from their homes, according to the United Nations.
Abdullah Kamil, the governor of Tulkarem in the West Bank, told CNN Wednesday that the demolitions carried out Tuesday destroyed buildings that had housed dozens of families over several floors.
“The Israeli military are doing this under pretext of security and fighting terrorism,” he said. It is a “purely political” operation, he alleged, to satisfy hardliners in the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
In November, Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich – who is in charge of Jewish settlements in the West Bank – ordered preparations for the annexation of the settlements, saying that US President Donald Trump’s victory “brings an important opportunity for the state of Israel.”
Palestinians want the West Bank, as well as Gaza and occupied East Jerusalem, for a future independent state. Jewish settlements there are considered illegal under international law.
Israel launched Operation Iron Wall two days after the Gaza ceasefire began, saying it was aimed at eliminating “terrorists and terror infrastructure” and at “ensuring terrorism does not return” following its completion. The Israeli military said on Tuesday that its soldiers were operating in Tulkarem to “neutralize terrorist infrastructure.” It said that its clearing operations would enable “freedom of movement within the camp area, thereby enhancing operational flexibility for forces to effectively thwart terrorism in the region.”
Videos on a Palestinian television channel showed bulldozers demolishing homes in what the outlet said was Tulkarem refugee camp. Other videos seen by CNN from a local journalist showed the scene from another angle with a bulldozer in the tight streets of the refugee camp and soldiers walking in its alleys.
The Israeli military also said Tuesday it had arrested 25 people in the northern West Bank it says were suspected of “involvement in terrorist activity across the area.”
“During the activity, the troops collected findings and weapons used by the enemy,” the military added.
‘Spillover’ of Gaza war
Israel’s military operation in the West Bank that started in the Jenin refugee camp last month has since expanded to the Tulkarem, Nur Shams, and El Far’a refugee camps, according to UNRWA, the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/19/middleeast/israel-west-bank-tulkarem-intl/index.html
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