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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,439
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/08/us/politics/trump-israel-arms-weapons.html
    So 8 billion for Israel how much will he send for the relocation and housing of the 1.8 million Palestinians refugees that no one wants to take in? 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,878
    edited February 9
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    And there it is, any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Why don’t you just admit it? That “river to the sea” is an Israeli construct and one you’d like to see to fruition. Just admit it and stop pretending you’re for a two state solution. Honesty works both ways.

    Because it’s the truth. This is the one war where you get to use the g word. I keep suggesting ideas for peace, and your side continues lying endlessly with baseless attacks.

    Keep supporting Iran, see how that solves the mid east problem. 

    While I suggest a better deal for Palestine than what Japan and West Germany accepted, and get attacked. 

    Wonder why. 



    so, to understand, you are making no distinction between the average Palestinian citizen and Hamas.

    Hamas who gained power in the last election. held in 2007? was it?

    so all those too young to vote then and born since are painted with the terrorist label then?

    care to answer?  its been ignored before. so I'm not hopeful.

    My idea addressed this. Palestine should get a plan for autonomy, like Japan and Germany and many other countries that have successfully transitioned away from authoritarianism. They also need to negotiate, to give and take to achieve a treaty for peace , as does Israel.

    But there needs to be temporary oversight to ensure money and power does not end up in the hands of Iran and their proxies, as has occurred in the past. Those too young to have voted in 2007 are going to stand up against Iran? Without support and oversight from other nations in the region like Jordan, Egypt and the Saudis? 
    istael retreats to the 67 borders. to live within tbe borders as set by the un.
    Palestine is a wholey soveriegn nation.


    end of negotiations 

    and no. you did not answer the question as posed.

    DO YOU EQUATE ALL PALESTINIANS WITH HAMAS.  very fucking simple. yes or no is sufficient. as I recall I've asked this of you several times. ducked it everytime,  including now.


    The 2023 war has no ramnifications,

    the 1967 war has no ramnifications.

    Give nothing, get nothing, other than perpetual war.

    Israel should retreat to 1967 borders five minutes after Indiana retreats to the 1809 borders 



     Edit, 

    we are actually in agreement, as before the 1967 invasion of Israel from the West Bank (according to palestinian supporters, should have zero ramnifications) pre 1967 the West Bank was controlled by Jordan, which almost exactly aligns with my proposal for peace.



    Post edited by Lerxst1992 on
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 41,196
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    And there it is, any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Why don’t you just admit it? That “river to the sea” is an Israeli construct and one you’d like to see to fruition. Just admit it and stop pretending you’re for a two state solution. Honesty works both ways.

    Because it’s the truth. This is the one war where you get to use the g word. I keep suggesting ideas for peace, and your side continues lying endlessly with baseless attacks.

    Keep supporting Iran, see how that solves the mid east problem. 

    While I suggest a better deal for Palestine than what Japan and West Germany accepted, and get attacked. 

    Wonder why. 



    so, to understand, you are making no distinction between the average Palestinian citizen and Hamas.

    Hamas who gained power in the last election. held in 2007? was it?

    so all those too young to vote then and born since are painted with the terrorist label then?

    care to answer?  its been ignored before. so I'm not hopeful.

    My idea addressed this. Palestine should get a plan for autonomy, like Japan and Germany and many other countries that have successfully transitioned away from authoritarianism. They also need to negotiate, to give and take to achieve a treaty for peace , as does Israel.

    But there needs to be temporary oversight to ensure money and power does not end up in the hands of Iran and their proxies, as has occurred in the past. Those too young to have voted in 2007 are going to stand up against Iran? Without support and oversight from other nations in the region like Jordan, Egypt and the Saudis? 
    istael retreats to the 67 borders. to live within tbe borders as set by the un.
    Palestine is a wholey soveriegn nation.


    end of negotiations 

    and no. you did not answer the question as posed.

    DO YOU EQUATE ALL PALESTINIANS WITH HAMAS.  very fucking simple. yes or no is sufficient. as I recall I've asked this of you several times. ducked it everytime,  including now.


    The 2023 war has no ramnifications,

    the 1967 war has no ramnifications.

    Give nothing, get nothing, other than perpetual war.

    Israel should retreat to 1967 borders five minutes after Indiana retreats to the 1809 borders 



     Edit, 

    we are actually in agreement, as before the 1967 invasion of Israel from the West Bank (according to palestinian supporters, should have zero ramnifications) pre 1967 the West Bank was controlled by Jordan, which almost exactly aligns with my proposal for peace.




    point being the illegal settlers AND the government sponsored ones can live within the 67 borders.

    AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED A SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION. YOUR SILENCE ON THAT IS DEAFENING.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,878
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    And there it is, any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Why don’t you just admit it? That “river to the sea” is an Israeli construct and one you’d like to see to fruition. Just admit it and stop pretending you’re for a two state solution. Honesty works both ways.

    Because it’s the truth. This is the one war where you get to use the g word. I keep suggesting ideas for peace, and your side continues lying endlessly with baseless attacks.

    Keep supporting Iran, see how that solves the mid east problem. 

    While I suggest a better deal for Palestine than what Japan and West Germany accepted, and get attacked. 

    Wonder why. 



    so, to understand, you are making no distinction between the average Palestinian citizen and Hamas.

    Hamas who gained power in the last election. held in 2007? was it?

    so all those too young to vote then and born since are painted with the terrorist label then?

    care to answer?  its been ignored before. so I'm not hopeful.

    My idea addressed this. Palestine should get a plan for autonomy, like Japan and Germany and many other countries that have successfully transitioned away from authoritarianism. They also need to negotiate, to give and take to achieve a treaty for peace , as does Israel.

    But there needs to be temporary oversight to ensure money and power does not end up in the hands of Iran and their proxies, as has occurred in the past. Those too young to have voted in 2007 are going to stand up against Iran? Without support and oversight from other nations in the region like Jordan, Egypt and the Saudis? 
    istael retreats to the 67 borders. to live within tbe borders as set by the un.
    Palestine is a wholey soveriegn nation.


    end of negotiations 

    and no. you did not answer the question as posed.

    DO YOU EQUATE ALL PALESTINIANS WITH HAMAS.  very fucking simple. yes or no is sufficient. as I recall I've asked this of you several times. ducked it everytime,  including now.


    The 2023 war has no ramnifications,

    the 1967 war has no ramnifications.

    Give nothing, get nothing, other than perpetual war.

    Israel should retreat to 1967 borders five minutes after Indiana retreats to the 1809 borders 



     Edit, 

    we are actually in agreement, as before the 1967 invasion of Israel from the West Bank (according to palestinian supporters, should have zero ramnifications) pre 1967 the West Bank was controlled by Jordan, which almost exactly aligns with my proposal for peace.




    point being the illegal settlers AND the government sponsored ones can live within the 67 borders.

    AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED A SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION. YOUR SILENCE ON THAT IS DEAFENING.
    I did. But all you want is a war and an argument. And to punish the nation you hate.  The pre 1967 borders were controlled by Jordan, which is almost exactly my proposal for peace now. But your kind isn’t interested in peace 

    The choice is simple, have Palestine in a transition controlled by peaceful nations which leads to independence, or have them be independent immediately and let Iran walk in as they  have done in the past. You want that because you support perpetual war. 

    The 1967 borders existed then but do not now for a specific reason. Jordan was a big reason the 1967 borders were eliminated, but since then they have since shown a track record for peace. The people you support do not have that track record. You have zero interest in peace. And the people you support have zero track record respecting the 67 borders. This is a detailed answer to your question.

    the people of Japan and Germany, aided by transitional governments with oversight, as a result of the actions of their government that initiated wars. This led to peace and prosperity, something you have zero interest in.

    Only one group of people are subject to this harsh interpretation of international law and fairness. Wonder why

     Please keep your anger off this forum. Some may have deaf people in their family, and be offended by your language. But what do you care only what you see in the mirror matters.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,879
    More of this “you hate jews” bullshit. It’s almost like you have to believe that in order to hold the views you do, or your entire premise falls apart. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,879
    “Slilence is deafening” is offensive now? THIS IS WHY THE DEMOCRATS LOST 😂 
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  • battle1battle1 PHI Posts: 637
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    And there it is, any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Why don’t you just admit it? That “river to the sea” is an Israeli construct and one you’d like to see to fruition. Just admit it and stop pretending you’re for a two state solution. Honesty works both ways.

    Because it’s the truth. This is the one war where you get to use the g word. I keep suggesting ideas for peace, and your side continues lying endlessly with baseless attacks.

    Keep supporting Iran, see how that solves the mid east problem. 

    While I suggest a better deal for Palestine than what Japan and West Germany accepted, and get attacked. 

    Wonder why. 



    so, to understand, you are making no distinction between the average Palestinian citizen and Hamas.

    Hamas who gained power in the last election. held in 2007? was it?

    so all those too young to vote then and born since are painted with the terrorist label then?

    care to answer?  its been ignored before. so I'm not hopeful.

    My idea addressed this. Palestine should get a plan for autonomy, like Japan and Germany and many other countries that have successfully transitioned away from authoritarianism. They also need to negotiate, to give and take to achieve a treaty for peace , as does Israel.

    But there needs to be temporary oversight to ensure money and power does not end up in the hands of Iran and their proxies, as has occurred in the past. Those too young to have voted in 2007 are going to stand up against Iran? Without support and oversight from other nations in the region like Jordan, Egypt and the Saudis? 
    istael retreats to the 67 borders. to live within tbe borders as set by the un.
    Palestine is a wholey soveriegn nation.


    end of negotiations 

    and no. you did not answer the question as posed.

    DO YOU EQUATE ALL PALESTINIANS WITH HAMAS.  very fucking simple. yes or no is sufficient. as I recall I've asked this of you several times. ducked it everytime,  including now.


    The 2023 war has no ramnifications,

    the 1967 war has no ramnifications.

    Give nothing, get nothing, other than perpetual war.

    Israel should retreat to 1967 borders five minutes after Indiana retreats to the 1809 borders 



     Edit, 

    we are actually in agreement, as before the 1967 invasion of Israel from the West Bank (according to palestinian supporters, should have zero ramnifications) pre 1967 the West Bank was controlled by Jordan, which almost exactly aligns with my proposal for peace.




    point being the illegal settlers AND the government sponsored ones can live within the 67 borders.

    AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED A SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION. YOUR SILENCE ON THAT IS DEAFENING.
    I did. But all you want is a war and an argument. And to punish the nation you hate.  The pre 1967 borders were controlled by Jordan, which is almost exactly my proposal for peace now. But your kind isn’t interested in peace 

    The choice is simple, have Palestine in a transition controlled by peaceful nations which leads to independence, or have them be independent immediately and let Iran walk in as they  have done in the past. You want that because you support perpetual war. 

    The 1967 borders existed then but do not now for a specific reason. Jordan was a big reason the 1967 borders were eliminated, but since then they have since shown a track record for peace. The people you support do not have that track record. You have zero interest in peace. And the people you support have zero track record respecting the 67 borders. This is a detailed answer to your question.

    the people of Japan and Germany, aided by transitional governments with oversight, as a result of the actions of their government that initiated wars. This led to peace and prosperity, something you have zero interest in.

    Only one group of people are subject to this harsh interpretation of international law and fairness. Wonder why

     Please keep your anger off this forum. Some may have deaf people in their family, and be offended by your language. But what do you care only what you see in the mirror matters.
    Very well explained, Lerx. Spot on.  Who cares what the far left Trainwreckers think.  Don't even waste your time. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,056
    In case you're wondering how some of those voters in Michigan are feeling after their support of Trump, The Guardian did some follow-up. Some people really give Trump the benefit of the doubt. Others, not so much, but they're pretty quiet these days.

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    It's a hopeless situation...
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,879
    battle1 said:
    And there it is, any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Why don’t you just admit it? That “river to the sea” is an Israeli construct and one you’d like to see to fruition. Just admit it and stop pretending you’re for a two state solution. Honesty works both ways.
    Fuck Israel too. Don’t get me started on them. 
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