brianlux said:

BF25394 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Yeah that's sad . And also parents . Most people have kids can't they all decide it's pointless to breed another generation of people who think owning a gun is a right and is in any way sensible. 
It's gone too far and there is no way back. That's the saddest part of all

It's a different mentality. The father of the kid in Georgia said that he'd never been more proud than the day his kid killed a deer and had the blood smeared on his cheeks for his "first kill." Really? You've never been more proud than when your armed kid murdered a defenseless animal for sport? I understand hunting is a way of life for a lot of people, but I just don't get that level of glorification of it. Maybe if parents sent a message to kids that they're proud of them when they apply themselves in school or volunteer at the local senior-citizens home or veterans' hospital, kids might act differently.

Great post, BF.

American Indians killed animals for food and used every part of the animal for many uses.  But they honored the animal and gave it great respect.  When today's hunters carry on the way you described, they are mocking the animal and showing total disrespect.  And the whole idea of hunting as "sport" is low-bar mentality.

“Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one.”

-Edward Abbey

Regardless if you think the 2nd amendment was misinterpreted or not, in the US, we DO have the right to own a gun. And I have already described a number of ways where having a gun is sensible/necessary. I'll take the high road and say many here must be willfully ignorant. 

I don't hunt, but anyone who celebrates a "kill" or is putting blood on their faces is an idiot.  I know a ton of hunters, and none of them do that and none of them hunt for "sport."  They hunt for food.  And trust me, some fresh venison is delicious.  Leaner than beef and much healthier for you.  And if you have a freezer full of venison steaks, burger, sausage, and cubes for stew,  you eat good all year and save a ton on groceries. 

And a proper hunter knows how to get a clean kill and the animal does not suffer.  If people have a problem with killing animals for food, I hope you are vegetarians.  Or eat that highly processed and unhealthy "impossible meats", or whatever it is called.  Stop buying meat from the supermarkets, those animals are born, and bred to be slaughtered for food. They don't have a chance. And from what I've read, I'm not sure how many are treated humanely.  Most deer live a long natural life and aren't killed by hunters.  

seanwon said:

brianlux said:

BF25394 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Yeah that's sad . And also parents . Most people have kids can't they all decide it's pointless to breed another generation of people who think owning a gun is a right and is in any way sensible. 
It's gone too far and there is no way back. That's the saddest part of all

It's a different mentality. The father of the kid in Georgia said that he'd never been more proud than the day his kid killed a deer and had the blood smeared on his cheeks for his "first kill." Really? You've never been more proud than when your armed kid murdered a defenseless animal for sport? I understand hunting is a way of life for a lot of people, but I just don't get that level of glorification of it. Maybe if parents sent a message to kids that they're proud of them when they apply themselves in school or volunteer at the local senior-citizens home or veterans' hospital, kids might act differently.

Great post, BF.

American Indians killed animals for food and used every part of the animal for many uses.  But they honored the animal and gave it great respect.  When today's hunters carry on the way you described, they are mocking the animal and showing total disrespect.  And the whole idea of hunting as "sport" is low-bar mentality.

“Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one.”

-Edward Abbey

Regardless if you think the 2nd amendment was misinterpreted or not, in the US, we DO have the right to own a gun. And I have already described a number of ways where having a gun is sensible/necessary. I'll take the high road and say many here must be willfully ignorant. 

I don't hunt, but anyone who celebrates a "kill" or is putting blood on their faces is an idiot.  I know a ton of hunters, and none of them do that and none of them hunt for "sport."  They hunt for food.  And trust me, some fresh venison is delicious.  Leaner than beef and much healthier for you.  And if you have a freezer full of venison steaks, burger, sausage, and cubes for stew,  you eat good all year and save a ton on groceries. 

And a proper hunter knows how to get a clean kill and the animal does not suffer.  If people have a problem with killing animals for food, I hope you are vegetarians.  Or eat that highly processed and unhealthy "impossible meats", or whatever it is called.  Stop buying meat from the supermarkets, those animals are born, and bred to be slaughtered for food. They don't have a chance. And from what I've read, I'm not sure how many are treated humanely.  Most deer live a long natural life and aren't killed by hunters.  

you don't hunt with an AR-15...you are spouting the pro gun argument related to guns that no one has a problem with

lastexitlondon said:

There isn't a need to hunt at all. 
Nobody needs a gun. Full stop

I have guns for Ze Germans...

tbergs said:

lastexitlondon said:

There isn't a need to hunt at all. 
Nobody needs a gun. Full stop

Um, this is an odd opinion. So your for factory farming? Yuck. I'd prefer that hunting be the norm for meat eaters, but there's too many people for that so I'm all for hunters who actually get their own food by hunting. Nothing wrong with owning a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes.

Don't need to eat animals at all.

tbergs said:

BF25394 said:

tbergs said:

lastexitlondon said:

There isn't a need to hunt at all. 
Nobody needs a gun. Full stop

Um, this is an odd opinion. So your for factory farming? Yuck. I'd prefer that hunting be the norm for meat eaters, but there's too many people for that so I'm all for hunters who actually get their own food by hunting. Nothing wrong with owning a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes.

Don't need to eat animals at all.

I understand that, but being against hunting is odd to me. I'm about 99% vegan besides meat I either hunt or raise myself because I do it sustainably. We have chickens and I will take my son deer hunting because it's something he wants to do. Grew up hunting and eating the meat we raised on the farm. I probably eat less than 5 pounds of meat a year since we don't often need to kill any chickens and I only eat some of the venison.

Just curious, why bother raising chickens if you almost never kill them and eat them?

tbergs said:

BF25394 said:

tbergs said:

lastexitlondon said:

There isn't a need to hunt at all. 
Nobody needs a gun. Full stop

Um, this is an odd opinion. So your for factory farming? Yuck. I'd prefer that hunting be the norm for meat eaters, but there's too many people for that so I'm all for hunters who actually get their own food by hunting. Nothing wrong with owning a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes.

Don't need to eat animals at all.

I understand that, but being against hunting is odd to me. I'm about 99% vegan besides meat I either hunt or raise myself because I do it sustainably. We have chickens and I will take my son deer hunting because it's something he wants to do. Grew up hunting and eating the meat we raised on the farm. I probably eat less than 5 pounds of meat a year since we don't often need to kill any chickens and I only eat some of the venison.

I don't hunt but I don't have a problem with hunting. I honestly wish we wouldn't eat as much beef and pork as those animals are intelligent.

But I still eat beef and pork. Just not very often.

Gern Blansten said:

seanwon said:

brianlux said:

BF25394 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Yeah that's sad . And also parents . Most people have kids can't they all decide it's pointless to breed another generation of people who think owning a gun is a right and is in any way sensible. 
It's gone too far and there is no way back. That's the saddest part of all

It's a different mentality. The father of the kid in Georgia said that he'd never been more proud than the day his kid killed a deer and had the blood smeared on his cheeks for his "first kill." Really? You've never been more proud than when your armed kid murdered a defenseless animal for sport? I understand hunting is a way of life for a lot of people, but I just don't get that level of glorification of it. Maybe if parents sent a message to kids that they're proud of them when they apply themselves in school or volunteer at the local senior-citizens home or veterans' hospital, kids might act differently.

Great post, BF.

American Indians killed animals for food and used every part of the animal for many uses.  But they honored the animal and gave it great respect.  When today's hunters carry on the way you described, they are mocking the animal and showing total disrespect.  And the whole idea of hunting as "sport" is low-bar mentality.

“Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one.”

-Edward Abbey

Regardless if you think the 2nd amendment was misinterpreted or not, in the US, we DO have the right to own a gun. And I have already described a number of ways where having a gun is sensible/necessary. I'll take the high road and say many here must be willfully ignorant. 

I don't hunt, but anyone who celebrates a "kill" or is putting blood on their faces is an idiot.  I know a ton of hunters, and none of them do that and none of them hunt for "sport."  They hunt for food.  And trust me, some fresh venison is delicious.  Leaner than beef and much healthier for you.  And if you have a freezer full of venison steaks, burger, sausage, and cubes for stew,  you eat good all year and save a ton on groceries. 

And a proper hunter knows how to get a clean kill and the animal does not suffer.  If people have a problem with killing animals for food, I hope you are vegetarians.  Or eat that highly processed and unhealthy "impossible meats", or whatever it is called.  Stop buying meat from the supermarkets, those animals are born, and bred to be slaughtered for food. They don't have a chance. And from what I've read, I'm not sure how many are treated humanely.  Most deer live a long natural life and aren't killed by hunters.  

you don't hunt with an AR-15...you are spouting the pro gun argument related to guns that no one has a problem with

And I've already said multiple times I support banning ARs, bump stocks, etc.  I'm not spouting, I'm trying to educate people who are absolutely against guns who think they serve no purpose. Obviously, that's not you.

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

BF25394 said:

tbergs said:

lastexitlondon said:

There isn't a need to hunt at all. 
Nobody needs a gun. Full stop

Um, this is an odd opinion. So your for factory farming? Yuck. I'd prefer that hunting be the norm for meat eaters, but there's too many people for that so I'm all for hunters who actually get their own food by hunting. Nothing wrong with owning a rifle or shotgun for hunting purposes.

Don't need to eat animals at all.

I understand that, but being against hunting is odd to me. I'm about 99% vegan besides meat I either hunt or raise myself because I do it sustainably. We have chickens and I will take my son deer hunting because it's something he wants to do. Grew up hunting and eating the meat we raised on the farm. I probably eat less than 5 pounds of meat a year since we don't often need to kill any chickens and I only eat some of the venison.

Just curious, why bother raising chickens if you almost never kill them and eat them?

Eggs. We eat and sell them. If we get an occasional rooster in the hatching, we'll raise it and then I butcher it because 1 rooster is enough 😅.

Yup. I rarely eat meat also, I'm about 80% vegetarian.  Eggs are a diabetics best friend. No sugar, half gram of carbs, and loaded with nutrients, healthy fat, and protein.