Anyone else not have that FOMO feeling anymore while this band is on the DM tour?

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  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,379
    The shorter setlists are a major factor. Not because of the length of the show necessarily but it eliminates the possibility for songs we want to hear. I understand and agree they have to play the hits so that means 7-8 songs a set being cut are the rest of the catalog. 

    I love the idea someone mentioned earlier of a Metallica type thing of two nights in a city, no repeats.  I for sure would have FOMO about those shows!
  • JT167846
    JT167846 Posts: 992
    I remember breaking down a 34 song set. You'd have, what, 8 songs off a new album, 12 huge songs, 10 deeper cuts and 4 rarities to make people lose their minds. They'd rotate openers and set closers in and out, opening with what Release, Wash, Of The Girl, Sometimes, Pendulum, Oceans or Long Road, close main sets with either Porch or RVM and end show with Ledbetter or Indifference (I say usually in this case as obviously they have had several different songs filling thise roles). So much room for curveballs. The double edged sword of getting a new album and hearing that live is there are less spots to get your white whales. I didn't see a Gigaton show so that whole album for me is. But come Auckland I'm going to try to think of DM as a whole white whale and be stoked knowing I'm going to see some awesome shit for the first time.
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    bootleg said:
    The “merch thing” is completely optional for everyone though.  If there is a market for it then can’t really blame the band for putting it out there.  I guess unless you have some type of OCD where you’ve got to collect them all, but what are they supposed to do not offer it because some can’t control themselves?
    People on the payroll too. Fans love it, so why not keep the revenue flowin' and the train chuggin'. Like you said, easy enough to see a show and opt out entirely if it's not your thing.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    In the 2024 music industry I'm not going to begrudge a band any revenue stream 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    pjl44 said:
    bootleg said:
    The “merch thing” is completely optional for everyone though.  If there is a market for it then can’t really blame the band for putting it out there.  I guess unless you have some type of OCD where you’ve got to collect them all, but what are they supposed to do not offer it because some can’t control themselves?
    People on the payroll too. Fans love it, so why not keep the revenue flowin' and the train chuggin'. Like you said, easy enough to see a show and opt out entirely if it's not your thing.
    I'm actually surprised they don't offer more on the website. If I were managing them I would have a screen-printing operation set up in the warehouse and crank out shirts all fucking day. 
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  • pjl44
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    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    bootleg said:
    The “merch thing” is completely optional for everyone though.  If there is a market for it then can’t really blame the band for putting it out there.  I guess unless you have some type of OCD where you’ve got to collect them all, but what are they supposed to do not offer it because some can’t control themselves?
    People on the payroll too. Fans love it, so why not keep the revenue flowin' and the train chuggin'. Like you said, easy enough to see a show and opt out entirely if it's not your thing.
    I'm actually surprised they don't offer more on the website. If I were managing them I would have a screen-printing operation set up in the warehouse and crank out shirts all fucking day. 
    Totally. I hadn't perused the shop in a while and it's lighter than I would have guessed. For apparel at least.
  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,379
    pjl44 said:
    In the 2024 music industry I'm not going to begrudge a band any revenue stream 
    To be clear I’m going to begrudge for any of the things I mentioned earlier. Just simply stating why I think I don’t have FOMO this tour. Although I do want to hear all of Dark Matter live… at least once. 
  • brewdog123
    brewdog123 ATL Posts: 685
    the fire is dimming for everyone involved
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,938
    Abe Froman said:
    BF25394 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    Lots of good points all around here. I am only doing the makeup Indy show in August. I’ve had no FOMO. For me I think it’s been many things over the past few years. They do sound amazing (saw both St. Paul shows last tour and 30+ since 92). And I’m so thankful and happy they’re still going strong, we are lucky our favorite band is still doing it and putting out unbelievable music like Dark Matter. BUT…the negatives have kinda made my excitement just a little less. 

    Ticket prices
    The whole merch thing
    Shorter shows
    The set lists (still great but chances of seeing our favorites, not even deep cuts, just great songs is so much less
    Cancellations (I realize there isn’t anything you can do about illness but it’s still a thing)

    I still can’t wait for Indy but my expectations are not even close to the same as they were just a short time ago. 

    Still the best band in the world!
    What's "[t]he whole merch thing"?
    It feels like it’s become a “brand” not in a good way ya know?  I don’t really have a great way to describe what I mean. Just feels like it’s become more about money and less about the quality of product?  I don’t know. It’s just turned me off the past few years. I know people love it but I don’t anymore. Probably just a me thing 🤷🏼‍♂️
    So just ignore it. I went to ten shows in May and didn't spend a single dollar on merch or spend a single minute in line for merch. Actually, that's not exactly true. Coming out of L.A. 2, I walked up the merch truck outside to look at the Deep Sea Diver shirts. They were 40 bucks and not that attractive. I passed.
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  • BF25394
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    Cornerstone2211 said:
    My one shoe got cancelled 
    Shoe the shoeless!!!
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  • BF25394
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    brewdog123 said:
    the fire is dimming for everyone involved
    Speak for yourself. 
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  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,018
    Weston1283 said:
    pdalowsky said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    The post-COVID shows are pretty interchangeable.  There have been a few standouts, but we are talking 2-3 songs putting a show over another one.  I'm trying to hit new states and new countries, but starting probably in 2018, I don't get jealous about shows I don't go to.  Maybe an album show would be cool, but there is no FOMO (granted seeing 10 shows), but if I were seeing 2 I'd feel the same way.
    I did think, and I know it'll never happen, but imagine if they announced in advance with of a two night run would feature the full DM album and the other night be one for the back catalogue solely.....I wonder how that would have gone down. 

    I would be in for hearing DM fully any day of the week but i wonder if by pre announcing it it might kill ticket sales because fans wouldnt be buying multiple dates in the hopes of finishing the record 
    I do find it disappointing that they cant seem to work in a PJ20 style 10C destination weekend even once every 3-4 years.  Doesn't seem like too much to ask for.  
    Ohana fest doesn't count?
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    what a whiny fan base this has become. 
  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,018
    BF25394 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    BF25394 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    Lots of good points all around here. I am only doing the makeup Indy show in August. I’ve had no FOMO. For me I think it’s been many things over the past few years. They do sound amazing (saw both St. Paul shows last tour and 30+ since 92). And I’m so thankful and happy they’re still going strong, we are lucky our favorite band is still doing it and putting out unbelievable music like Dark Matter. BUT…the negatives have kinda made my excitement just a little less. 

    Ticket prices
    The whole merch thing
    Shorter shows
    The set lists (still great but chances of seeing our favorites, not even deep cuts, just great songs is so much less
    Cancellations (I realize there isn’t anything you can do about illness but it’s still a thing)

    I still can’t wait for Indy but my expectations are not even close to the same as they were just a short time ago. 

    Still the best band in the world!
    What's "[t]he whole merch thing"?
    It feels like it’s become a “brand” not in a good way ya know?  I don’t really have a great way to describe what I mean. Just feels like it’s become more about money and less about the quality of product?  I don’t know. It’s just turned me off the past few years. I know people love it but I don’t anymore. Probably just a me thing 🤷🏼‍♂️
    So just ignore it. I went to ten shows in May and didn't spend a single dollar on merch or spend a single minute in line for merch. Actually, that's not exactly true. Coming out of L.A. 2, I walked up the merch truck outside to look at the Deep Sea Diver shirts. They were 40 bucks and not that attractive. I passed.
    This. I was never a merch guy, maybe grabbed a t-shirt during a pee break if I ever took one and there was no line. Now I'm sort of a merch guy, but never a line guy. LA1 I was able to walk up and buy some shirts and a hoodie. I only buy posters on here after the fact, so if I miss out so be it.
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  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,949
    I have lots of FOMO and can’t wait for September! 
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  • bootlegger10
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    bootleg said:
    The “merch thing” is completely optional for everyone though.  If there is a market for it then can’t really blame the band for putting it out there.  I guess unless you have some type of OCD where you’ve got to collect them all, but what are they supposed to do not offer it because some can’t control themselves?
    In Europe they have shirts, a soccer ball, sticker, token, pin, and maybe a license plate.  It isn’t Wrigley 2013 by any means.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,889
    pjhawks said:
    what a whiny fan base this has become. 
    nah, it's just getting used to the change.  I think most of us knew when they were playing 3 hour+ barn burners that it wouldn't last for ever (due to age), it just takes a little getting used to being scaled back a bit.

    I think it's pretty cool they love their new album so much that they play the shit out of it.  I think the last time I saw them play that many songs off a new album was the Commodore warmup show in Vancouver in 2000 for Binaural.    I imagine in a few years, if they're doing non-album tours, that we'll get the deeper setlists again.   

    It's a wonderful problem to have.  An amazing new album that begs to be played live, but at the same time they have a giant ass amazing catalog of hits, fan favourites, amazing bsides, covers, etc...   It took 3 to 3.5 hours to satiate my appetite and enthusiasm for Pearl Jam :)  There's just too much awesomeness, and it's hard to contain it :)
  • Force Of Nature
    Force Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,133
    The whole point of ‘ignore it’ regarding merch is silly in this context.
    yes it’s easy to ignore if you don’t want it at a show, and I’m sure most people commenting about the merch that way are. But in this context it is commenting about people’s current feelings are FOMO with the band and observations regarding merch that maybe weren’t there years ago potentially contributing to that.

  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,012
    I have so much fomo with the Philly shows. I had fomo with Barcelona too because of those great crowds. As the band gets older, the fomo goes higher because we’re not sure how much longer they’re going to do this. And if they do, how great the shows will still be. All of 2023 and LV1 2024 were fucking incredible. 
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    pjhawks said:
    what a whiny fan base this has become. 
    I think as long as the critiques are respectful it's valuable to hear things like "I'm buying fewer tickets because of X" or "I would buy more tickets if X" from your fan base.

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