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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    Hamas rejects another ceasefire proposal. Hezbollah rockets set northern Israel ablaze. Have not heard a great deal from the crowd purporting to be concerned with humanitarian crises. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Haven’t heard much about Israel accepting a cease fire but they are bombing UNRWA designated safe shelters, namely schools, killing more women and children. And using starvation as a weapon.

    Nine out of 10 children in Gaza are experiencing severe food poverty and surviving on two or fewer food groups a day, according to a UNICEF report published Thursday. “Months of hostilities in the Gaza Strip have brought the food and health systems to collapse and have had a catastrophic impact on children and families,” UNICEF said. The closure of the Rafah border crossing has restricted access to food and medical supplies, and U. S-led negotiations to reopen the crossing for aid deliveries face significant obstacles, The Post reports.

    Thousands of ultranationalist Israelis marched through Jerusalem’s Old City on Wednesday for the annual Flag March, which draws settlers and other right-wing activists to mark the 1967 Israeli capture of the eastern part of the city. Some chanted anti-Arab slogans including “Death to Arabs,” the Associated Press reported. Israeli police arrested 18 people on suspicion of violent crimes, assault and threats, and disorderly conduct.

    At least ​​36,586 people have been killed and 83,074 injured in Gaza since the war started, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, which does not distinguish between civilians and combatants but says the majority of the dead are women and children. Israel estimates that about 1,200 people were killed in Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack, including more than 300 soldiers, and it says 293 soldiershave been killed since the launch of its military operations in Gaza.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/06/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine-rafah/

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And I still haven’t seen anyone define what this means:

    Immediately after Biden detailed the Israeli proposal, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed that his country would not end the war until Hamas was defeated.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/06/politics/hamas-israel-hostages-ceasefire-countries-statement/index.html
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    pjl44 said:
    Hamas rejects another ceasefire proposal. Hezbollah rockets set northern Israel ablaze. Have not heard a great deal from the crowd purporting to be concerned with humanitarian crises. 
    so we're expected to denounce all violent acts by one side, while you celebrate "excuse" the violence by the other side. sounds about right. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    “Hamas ‘rejects’ another ceasefire” and nary a word about Israel’s “rejection.” Again, definition please.

    Regional and international powers have backed the proposal, but sticking points remain. Hamas has insisted on a permanent ceasefire and full withdrawal of Israeli troops.

    Israel, however, has rejected those demands, saying it is prepared to discuss only temporary pauses until Hamas is defeated.

    Meanwhile, Israel’s Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said there would be no halt to the fighting.

    Any negotiations with Hamas would be conducted only under fire,” Gallant was quoted as saying as he flew on board a plane to inspect the Israeli offensive in Gaza.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/6/israel-bombs-unrwa-school-in-gaza-kills-32-displaced-palestinians

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Oh, and I suppose starving a population to death isn’t genocide?

    A United Nations report released Wednesday said that more than 1 million people in Gaza are expected to “face death and starvation” by mid-July. “In the absence of a cessation of hostilities and increased access, the impact on mortality and the lives of the Palestinians now, and in future generations, will increase markedly with every day,” the report said.


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  • gimmesometruth27
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    pjl44 said:
    Hamas rejects another ceasefire proposal. Hezbollah rockets set northern Israel ablaze. Have not heard a great deal from the crowd purporting to be concerned with humanitarian crises. 
    so we're expected to denounce all violent acts by one side, while you celebrate "excuse" the violence by the other side. sounds about right. 
    exactly.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    bibi will not accept a cease fire because the minute this thing is over, he will face arrest and jail. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    CNN analysis: Israel strike on UN school that left dozens dead used US munitions
    Dozens of people were killed by an overnight Israeli airstrike on a United Nations-run school in central Gaza, authorities said, in an attack that CNN analysis found was conducted with a US-made weapon.

    a SCHOOL. RUN BY THE UN. EXCUSE THAT. 
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  • pjl44
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    pjl44 said:
    Hamas rejects another ceasefire proposal. Hezbollah rockets set northern Israel ablaze. Have not heard a great deal from the crowd purporting to be concerned with humanitarian crises. 
    so we're expected to denounce all violent acts by one side, while you celebrate "excuse" the violence by the other side. sounds about right. 
    Not (hand wave) all violent acts. Two specific actions. Hamas once again has no interest in the cease fire everyone pounds their fist about. And Hezbollah is opening up war on a second front.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    CNN analysis: Israel strike on UN school that left dozens dead used US munitions
    Dozens of people were killed by an overnight Israeli airstrike on a United Nations-run school in central Gaza, authorities said, in an attack that CNN analysis found was conducted with a US-made weapon.

    a SCHOOL. RUN BY THE UN. EXCUSE THAT. 
    Wait at least 48 hours before only relying on Hamas's account of the building and casualties
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    You'd think after the "hospital attack" being ultimately walked back in the early days, everyone would take a more cautious approach. But nope. By the way, weird how the outrage fizzled once it was determined to have been a misfired rocket from within Gaza.

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e3
  • mickeyrat
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    https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-6-6-2024-3d07e712f8abc1e08339163180823fb8   Israeli strike kills at least 33 people at a Gaza school the military claims was being used by Hamas

    Israeli strike kills at least 33 people at a Gaza school the military claims was being used by Hamas
    By WAFAA SHURAFA and SAMY MAGDY
    46 mins ago

    DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli strike early Thursday on a school sheltering displaced Palestinians in central Gaza killed at least 33 people, including 12 women and children, according to local health officials. The Israeli military said that Hamas militants were operating from within the school.

    It was the latest instance of mass casualties among Palestinians trying to find refuge as Israel expands its offensive. A day earlier, the military announced a new ground and air assault in central Gaza, pursuing Hamas militants it says have regrouped there.

    Troops repeatedly have swept back into parts of the Gaza Strip they have previously invaded, underscoring the resilience of the militant group despite Israel's nearly eight-month onslaught.

    Witnesses and hospital officials said the predawn strike hit the al-Sardi School, run by the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees known by the acronym UNRWA. The school was filled with Palestinians who had fled Israeli operations and bombardment in northern Gaza, they said.

    The hospital initially reported that nine women and 14 children were among those killed in the strike on the school. The hospital morgue later amended those records to show that the dead included three women, nine children and 21 men. It was not immediately clear what caused the discrepancy. An Associated Press reporter had counted the bodies but was unable to look beneath the shrouds.

    Separate strikes in central Gaza killed another 15 people, nearly all men.

    Ayman Rashed, a man displaced from Gaza City who was sheltering at the school, said the missiles hit classrooms on the second and third floor where families were sheltering. He said he helped carry out five dead, including an old man and two children, one with his head shattered open. “It was dark, with no electricity, and we struggled to get out the victims,” Rashed said.

    Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the spokesman for the Israeli military, said it carried out a “precise strike” based on concrete intelligence that militants were planning and conducting attacks from inside three classrooms. He said only those rooms were attacked.

    “We conducted the strike once our intelligence and surveillance indicated that there were no women or children inside the Hamas compound, inside those classrooms,” he said.

    Hagari said there were around 30 suspected militants in the three rooms. He said the military had confirmed killing nine of them, and displayed a slide showing their names and photos. He provided no other evidence to substantiate the military’s claims.

    Casualties from the strike arrived at the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in nearby Deir al-Balah, which had already been overwhelmed by a stream of constant ambulances since the central Gaza incursion began 24 hours earlier, said Omar al-Derawi, a photographer working for the hospital.

    Videos circulating online appeared to show several wounded people being treated on the floor of the hospital, a common scene in Gaza’s overwhelmed medical wards. Electricity in much of the hospital is out because staff are rationing fuel supplies for the generator.

    “You can't walk in the hospital — there’s so many people. Women from the victims’ families are massed in the hallways, crying,” he said.

    The school was in Nuseirat, one of several built-up refugee camps in Gaza dating to the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s creation, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were driven from their homes in what became the new state.

    Footage showed bodies wrapped in blankets or plastic bags being laid out in lines in the courtyard of the hospital. Mohammed al-Kareem, a displaced Palestinian sheltering near the hospital, said he saw people searching for their loved ones among bodies, and that one woman kept asking medical workers to open the wraps on the bodies to see if her son was inside.

    "The situation is tragic," he said.

    Philippe Lazzarini, the commissioner-general of UNRWA, said in a post on X that 6,000 people were sheltering in the school when it was hit without prior warning. He said UNRWA was unable to verify claims that armed groups were inside.

    UNRWA schools across Gaza have functioned as shelters since the start of the war, which has driven most of the territory's population of 2.3 million Palestinians from their homes.

    Last week, Israeli strikes hit near an UNRWA facility in the southern city of Rafah, saying they were targeting Hamas militants. An inferno ripped through tents nearby housing displaced families , killing at least 45 people. The deaths triggered international outrage, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the fire was the result of a “tragic mishap.” The military said the fire may have been caused by secondary explosions. The cause of the explosions has not been determined.

    Israel sent troops into Rafah in early May in what it said was a limited incursion, but those forces are now operating in central parts of the city. More than 1 million people have fled Rafah since the start of the operation, scattering across southern and central Gaza into new tent camps or crowding into schools and homes.

    Israel launched its campaign in Gaza after Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack into Israel, in which militants killed some 1,200 people and took another 250 hostage. Israel's offensive has killed at least 36,000 Palestinians, according to Gaza's Health Ministry, which does not distinguish between fighters and civilians in its figures.

    Israel blames civilian deaths on Hamas because it positions fighters, tunnels and rocket launchers in residential areas.

    The United States has thrown its weight behind a phased cease-fire and hostage release outlined by President Joe Biden last week. But Israel says it won’t end the war without destroying Hamas, while the militant group is demanding a lasting cease-fire and the full withdrawal of Israeli forces.

    Far-right members of Netanyahu's government have threatened to bring down the coalition if he signs onto a cease-fire deal.

    Israel has routinely launched airstrikes in all parts of Gaza since the start of the war and has carried out massive ground operations in the territory’s two largest cities, Gaza City and Khan Younis, that left much of them in ruins.

    The military waged an offensive earlier this year for several weeks in Bureij and several other nearby refugee camps in central Gaza.

    Troops pulled out of the Jabalia camp in northern Gaza last Friday after weeks of fighting caused widespread destruction. First responders have recovered the bodies of 360 people, mostly women and children, killed during the battles.

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    Samy Magdy reported from Cairo.

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    Follow AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war

     

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  • pjl44
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    The pisser is even if you get Hamas to agree to a deal what are the odds they hold up their end?
  • mickeyrat
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    pjl44 said:
    The pisser is even if you get Hamas to agree to a deal what are the odds they hold up their end?

    Israel? I know. never gonna happen.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    pjl44 said:
    From the article you linked, I’m guessing Israel. And gee, here’s an idea, how about cutting and denying aid to Israel, say 5% a day until it’s a full stop or they agree to a ceasefire? They’ve already said they can go it alone. Call their bluff and pressure both sides.

    An initial response from Hamas on Wednesday to the most recent Israeli proposal, as publicly described by President Joe Biden last week, appeared to signal that the gaps may still be significant. While it welcomed what Biden laid out, upon seeing the proposal brought by mediators, Hamas said that it “turned out to be devoid of the positive foundations contained in Biden’s statements.”

    “It does not guarantee a permanent ceasefire, but rather a temporary one” and allows for Israeli forces to remain in Gaza territory, the group said in a statement obtained by CNN.
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  • pjl44
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    You're on crack if you think a permanent ceasefire is happening before the hostages are returned and Hamas is effectively dismantled
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    you're on crack if you think netanyahu gives a flying fuck about the hostages
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    pjl44 said:
    You're on crack if you think a permanent ceasefire is happening before the hostages are returned and Hamas is effectively dismantled
    Define “effectively dismantled.”
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