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I agree with you T Berg's that they have other baggage, but it looks fairly obvious the money that supports Israel in politics will come down forcefully against Democrats who move against israel, and we better have something like that in our party, because if we don't Jewish Americans will not show up in November to vote against trump.
I think it's obvious the Democrats have an Israel problem . I'd love for there to be a ceasefire, but we need the Palestinian government, if there even is one, to promise no more attacks against civilians during ceasefires. I'm not sure how we have any kind of treaty without that fundamental promise and if there is even a working government that could abide by that
You should be holding the Israeli government to the same standards but I know that you won’t. And they have a well funded, functioning government with nuclear weapons and one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
And while you’re at it, tell us about “mowing the lawn.”
I agree with you T Berg's that they have other baggage, but it looks fairly obvious the money that supports Israel in politics will come down forcefully against Democrats who move against israel, and we better have something like that in our party, because if we don't Jewish Americans will not show up in November to vote against trump.
I think it's obvious the Democrats have an Israel problem . I'd love for there to be a ceasefire, but we need the Palestinian government, if there even is one, to promise no more attacks against civilians during ceasefires. I'm not sure how we have any kind of treaty without that fundamental promise and if there is even a working government that could abide by that
You should be holding the Israeli government to the same standards but I know that you won’t. And they have a well funded, functioning government with nuclear weapons and one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
And while you’re at it, tell us about “mowing the lawn.”
And their PM can be voted out at any time.
Too bad it’s not one person, one vote, eh? In the “only democracy in the Middle East?”
I agree with you T Berg's that they have other baggage, but it looks fairly obvious the money that supports Israel in politics will come down forcefully against Democrats who move against israel, and we better have something like that in our party, because if we don't Jewish Americans will not show up in November to vote against trump.
I think it's obvious the Democrats have an Israel problem . I'd love for there to be a ceasefire, but we need the Palestinian government, if there even is one, to promise no more attacks against civilians during ceasefires. I'm not sure how we have any kind of treaty without that fundamental promise and if there is even a working government that could abide by that
You should be holding the Israeli government to the same standards but I know that you won’t. And they have a well funded, functioning government with nuclear weapons and one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
And while you’re at it, tell us about “mowing the lawn.”
I agree with you T Berg's that they have other baggage, but it looks fairly obvious the money that supports Israel in politics will come down forcefully against Democrats who move against israel, and we better have something like that in our party, because if we don't Jewish Americans will not show up in November to vote against trump.
I think it's obvious the Democrats have an Israel problem . I'd love for there to be a ceasefire, but we need the Palestinian government, if there even is one, to promise no more attacks against civilians during ceasefires. I'm not sure how we have any kind of treaty without that fundamental promise and if there is even a working government that could abide by that
israel is going to suck us into that conflict in 6 months if nothing changes. bet on it. why is israel the only country that can legally interfere in our elections like this?
Should the CAIR PAC be allowed to raise funds and donate to campaigns or is that also "interference?"
Also, if we get sucked into a regional conflict it's partly due to the fact that there were Americans killed on 10/7, are American hostages being held by Hamas, and there have been dozens of attacks on American military bases.
(For the record, I am deeply skeptical of the need for these bases and certainly do not want to see the US drawn into this conflict. But we also need to be clear-eyed about what Iran has been up to.)
Also, if we get sucked into a regional conflict it's partly due to the fact that there were Americans killed on 10/7, are American hostages being held by Hamas, and there have been dozens of attacks on American military bases.
(For the record, I am deeply skeptical of the need for these bases and certainly do not want to see the US drawn into this conflict. But we also need to be clear-eyed about what Iran has been up to.)
bibi is trying to suck us into the conflict. and if we do not change course, we will be there in 6 months.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Also, if we get sucked into a regional conflict it's partly due to the fact that there were Americans killed on 10/7, are American hostages being held by Hamas, and there have been dozens of attacks on American military bases.
(For the record, I am deeply skeptical of the need for these bases and certainly do not want to see the US drawn into this conflict. But we also need to be clear-eyed about what Iran has been up to.)
bibi is trying to suck us into the conflict. and if we do not change course, we will be there in 6 months.
Also, if we get sucked into a regional conflict it's partly due to the fact that there were Americans killed on 10/7, are American hostages being held by Hamas, and there have been dozens of attacks on American military bases.
(For the record, I am deeply skeptical of the need for these bases and certainly do not want to see the US drawn into this conflict. But we also need to be clear-eyed about what Iran has been up to.)
bibi is trying to suck us into the conflict. and if we do not change course, we will be there in 6 months.
if we are concerned about getting anericans held released(as we should rightly be), why should we put faith in a regime that doesnt seem to give a fuck about the release of their own citizens?
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I agree with you T Berg's that they have other baggage, but it looks fairly obvious the money that supports Israel in politics will come down forcefully against Democrats who move against israel, and we better have something like that in our party, because if we don't Jewish Americans will not show up in November to vote against trump.
I think it's obvious the Democrats have an Israel problem . I'd love for there to be a ceasefire, but we need the Palestinian government, if there even is one, to promise no more attacks against civilians during ceasefires. I'm not sure how we have any kind of treaty without that fundamental promise and if there is even a working government that could abide by that
You should be holding the Israeli government to the same standards but I know that you won’t. And they have a well funded, functioning government with nuclear weapons and one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
And while you’re at it, tell us about “mowing the lawn.”
And their PM can be voted out at any time.
And do tell us about mowing the lawn.
Got no idea about that, but I do know I tried this line here after October 7th, I'm betting Kamala would get shouted down here as well..
I agree with you T Berg's that they have other baggage, but it looks fairly obvious the money that supports Israel in politics will come down forcefully against Democrats who move against israel, and we better have something like that in our party, because if we don't Jewish Americans will not show up in November to vote against trump.
I think it's obvious the Democrats have an Israel problem . I'd love for there to be a ceasefire, but we need the Palestinian government, if there even is one, to promise no more attacks against civilians during ceasefires. I'm not sure how we have any kind of treaty without that fundamental promise and if there is even a working government that could abide by that
You should be holding the Israeli government to the same standards but I know that you won’t. And they have a well funded, functioning government with nuclear weapons and one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
And while you’re at it, tell us about “mowing the lawn.”
And their PM can be voted out at any time.
And do tell us about mowing the lawn.
Got no idea about that, but I do know I tried this line here after October 7th, I'm betting Kamala would get shouted down here as well..
“If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that."
C’mon, you know about mowing the lawn and what it references and by whom. You’re not stupid.
yep, for those not clicking the links, idf soldiers killing prisoners by raping them to death.
monsters.
Who’s worse? The IDF forces being held and questioned for the crimes or the right wing Bibi supporting settlers who stormed the military base in an effort to free them?
yep, for those not clicking the links, idf soldiers killing prisoners by raping them to death.
monsters.
Who’s worse? The IDF forces being held and questioned for the crimes or the right wing Bibi supporting settlers who stormed the military base in an effort to free them?
the settlers. because they are the root of the ongoing conflict. and they likely think the soldiers being held are political prisoners, like maga does of jan 6 criminals.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
yep, for those not clicking the links, idf soldiers killing prisoners by raping them to death.
monsters.
Like Kamala says “if you want Donald Trump to win, then say that." You may be right, but rhetoric like that is one easy way to get us some more trump
can't condemn the crime, can you?
War sucks and I hope it ends. Lasting peace requires all parties to be committed to keep it.
You know, it’s not like Israeli violations of human rights, treaties, ceasefires and committing provocations aren’t known. There’s a lot of history there, from the Nakba to present day. Peace also requires a willing and dedicated partner.
And tell us how you feel about the Israeli finance minister calling the starvation of 2,000,000 Palestinians “justified and moral?” Some “elected” government there, eh?
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Not that I agree with that quote, but your edit skills are very Trumponian.
Nice job, Donny.
Sure, starve 2,000,000 people to free 115. Nice fuzzy math you got there. I guess the UK and EU have also gone POOTWHlini as well.
Nice job showing your equality “under a democratically elected government and the only ‘democracy’ in the Middle East.”
Not sure if you’ve been able to figure this out, I am not a fan of the current Israeli govt, but am less of a fan of the Hamas terrorists that started this specific war, and Hamas specifically asked for their own people to be slaughtered by trying to create a regional conflict between Israel and Iran, in an attempt to stop a potential Israeli peace deal
unfortunately there are geopolitical neophytes that have zero idea at the truth staring right at them.
Go tell everyone you know, friends and family, and everyone you may meet at a Pearl Jam show, that you outwardly support Iran. Good luck to your safety,if you are indeed an American
and also fully know that supporting Hamas politically in the states is a ticket to help bring back trump, which you and your fellow Hamas supporters here seem to want.
Other than that, please stop with your lawn nonsense and trying to bait people with your bizarre comments. Thanks.
Not that I agree with that quote, but your edit skills are very Trumponian.
Nice job, Donny.
Sure, starve 2,000,000 people to free 115. Nice fuzzy math you got there. I guess the UK and EU have also gone POOTWHlini as well.
Nice job showing your equality “under a democratically elected government and the only ‘democracy’ in the Middle East.”
Not sure if you’ve been able to figure this out, I am not a fan of the current Israeli govt, but am less of a fan of the Hamas terrorists that started this specific war, and Hamas specifically asked for their own people to be slaughtered by trying to create a regional conflict between Israel and Iran, in an attempt to stop a potential Israeli peace deal
unfortunately there are geopolitical neophytes that have zero idea at the truth staring right at them.
Go tell everyone you know, friends and family, and everyone you may meet at a Pearl Jam show, that you outwardly support Iran. Good luck to your safety,if you are indeed an American
and also fully know that supporting Hamas politically in the states is a ticket to help bring back trump, which you and your fellow Hamas supporters here seem to want.
Other than that, please stop with your lawn nonsense and trying to bait people with your bizarre comments. Thanks.
You really need to deal with and acknowledge that the Israeli state that you support is a terrorist apartheid state. Stop denying and defending that malfeasance, the same malfeasance that Bibi seeded and watered and the majority of Israeli citizens support. Human rights aren’t only for Israelis so come down off your high horse and join reality.
Can you define “mowing the lawn” in the context I’m using it in? And if not, you need to get woke. Fuck POOTWH and the US government that continues to subsidize Israeli genocide to the tune of $4B+ per year. Would love to see Israeli actions in the region absent that subsidy. Speaking of which, when does Israel stand on its own two feet and become self sufficient and sustaining? I’m guessing not in our lifetimes. What’s your guess?
Since when does calling for a ceasefire equate to “supporting Hamas politically?” In the beacon on a hill of democracy of the US of A?
Calling those who support a ceasefire and are critical of Israeli actions terrorists and anyone who makes any criticism of Israel antisemitic isn’t baiting people? Enjoy the view from up high.
PS: Iran is not the boogeyman you perceive it to be.
Yup, Israel killing Americans, raping and torturing detainees and bombing civilians in “safe zones.” All on the heels of their finance minister declaring that starving 2,000,000 people is right and just. Meanwhile, they get another $3.5B to continue the carnage.
U.S. will fund Israeli unit accused of gross human rights abuses
The determination ends a lengthy investigation of the Netzah Yehuda battalion, an ultra-Orthodox unit implicated in the death of a Palestinian American.
An Israeli security unit found by the United States to have committed gross violations of human rights will continue to receive U.S. funding because its actions have been “effectively remediated,” the Biden administration said Friday.
The announcement concludes a months-long investigation that coincided with an intense lobbying campaign by the Israeli government to oppose funding restrictions for the Netzah Yehuda battalion, an ultra-Orthodox unit accused of wrongdoing in the death in 2022 of an elderly Palestinian American man.
“This unit can continue receiving security assistance from the United States of America,” said State Department spokesman Matthew Miller.
The finding amounts to a victory for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and a stinging defeat for human rights experts inside the State Department and Pentagon who built a case over years that certain Israeli units should be barred from U.S. assistance under legislation known as the Leahy Laws.
Current and former officials said the decision by Secretary of State Antony Blinken to approve continued funding for the unit defied past practices of withholding assistance until serious accountability measures are taken such as criminal penalties for individuals accused of gross human rights violations.
“I have never seen a case where administrative measures such as the ones employed here were sufficient for remediation,” said Charles Blaha, a former State Department official in charge of the office that implements the Leahy Laws.
This is especially troubling when one of the allegations against this unit is that the unit is responsible for the death of an American citizen, which really calls into question the value that the State Department places on Palestinian American lives,” he said.
The Israeli Embassy in Washington did not provide comment.
In 2022, a commander of the battalion was reprimanded and the platoon commander and company commander removed from their positions following the death of Omar Assad, a 78-year-old former grocery store owner from Milwaukee who had been detained at a West Bank checkpoint.
Assad was reported to have suffered an stress-induced heart attack that was probably brought on by being bound, gagged and held by Israeli forces, the Israel Defense Forces said in a statement at the time. The IDF added that his death was the result of “moral failure and poor decision-making” by the soldiers who had detained him.
Though the individuals faced no criminal penalties, the State Department said it was satisfied by the measures taken by the Israeli government and noted that the individuals in question no longer serve in the military.
The Israel Defense Forces “took several steps to avoid a recurrence of incidents: it enhanced screening requirements for personnel recruited into that battalion and put in place new control mechanisms during the soldiers’ training,” said the State Department. “Soldiers now receive a two-week educational seminar unique to the battalion, and conduct is documented.”
Republicans in Congress vehemently opposed any efforts to punish the Israeli unit or any members of it, with Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) saying the action would “stigmatize the entire IDF and encourage Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regime.”
Blaha, who retired last year from the department and worked extensively on the case, said the consequences didn’t match what amounts to a “criminal homicide.”
Just think about what they did: This was a 78-year-old man. They arrested him for no legitimate reason — he was never charged with anything, they gagged him, they bound him, they left him on the floor of a construction site in the middle of January. The man died of a stress-induced heart attack, according to the Israeli autopsy,” said Blaha.
“The autopsy, however, found no connection between what the soldiers did to him and his fatal heart attack. In what U.S. court would that be credible? How would that hold up?” he said.
The Israeli government told U.S. officials that the two soldiers were referred for prosecution, said a U.S. official, but those prosecutions could not go forward because witnesses declined to cooperate. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic.
For months, Blinken weighed the recommendations from the panel known as the Israel Leahy Vetting Forum. The panel said it found multiple instances of gross violations of human rights by Netzah Yehuda and other Israeli units all occurring in the West Bank before Oct. 7. In each case, the State Department said the units had been remediated.
The review process was required under the landmark legislation created by Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) that prohibits the U.S. government from providing military assistance to individuals or security force units that commit gross violations of human rights with impunity.
Long before the State Department had announced its decision, Netanyahu vowed to resist the action.
“If anyone thinks they can impose sanctions on a unit of the IDF — I will fight it with all my strength,” Netanyahu said in a statement earlier this year.
At least 90 Palestinians killed in Israeli school strike, Gaza officials say
CNN —
At least 90 Palestinians have been killed in an Israeli strike on a school in Gaza, according to local officials.
Gaza Civil Defense said the Al-Tabi’in school was housing displaced Palestinians in the Al-Daraj neighborhood in the eastern part of Gaza City when it was hit overnight into Saturday.
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(For the record, I am deeply skeptical of the need for these bases and certainly do not want to see the US drawn into this conflict. But we also need to be clear-eyed about what Iran has been up to.)
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if we are concerned about getting anericans held released(as we should rightly be), why should we put faith in a regime that doesnt seem to give a fuck about the release of their own citizens?
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https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/two-palestinian-prisoners-martyred-due-to-torture-in-israeli
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/leaked-video-shows-israelis-sexually-assaulting-palestinian
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Got no idea about that, but I do know I tried this line here after October 7th, I'm betting Kamala would get shouted down here as well..
“If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that."
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monsters.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Now, tell us about mowing the lawn.
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Sounds pretty holocaust-ish, no?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/08/israel-finance-minister-bezalel-smotrich-gaza-starve-2m-people-comments
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TO FREE THE HOSTAGES
Not that I agree with that quote, but your edit skills are very Trumponian.
Nice job, Donny.
Nice job showing your equality “under a democratically elected government and the only ‘democracy’ in the Middle East.”
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
unfortunately there are geopolitical neophytes that have zero idea at the truth staring right at them.
Go tell everyone you know, friends and family, and everyone you may meet at a Pearl Jam show, that you outwardly support Iran. Good luck to your safety,if you are indeed an American
and also fully know that supporting Hamas politically in the states is a ticket to help bring back trump, which you and your fellow Hamas supporters here seem to want.
Other than that, please stop with your lawn nonsense and trying to bait people with your bizarre comments. Thanks.
Can you define “mowing the lawn” in the context I’m using it in? And if not, you need to get woke. Fuck POOTWH and the US government that continues to subsidize Israeli genocide to the tune of $4B+ per year. Would love to see Israeli actions in the region absent that subsidy. Speaking of which, when does Israel stand on its own two feet and become self sufficient and sustaining? I’m guessing not in our lifetimes. What’s your guess?
Since when does calling for a ceasefire equate to “supporting Hamas politically?” In the beacon on a hill of democracy of the US of A?
Calling those who support a ceasefire and are critical of Israeli actions terrorists and anyone who makes any criticism of Israel antisemitic isn’t baiting people? Enjoy the view from up high.
PS: Iran is not the boogeyman you perceive it to be.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/10/us-to-send-3-5bn-more-in-military-aid-to-israel-amid-war-on-gaza
And I should be worried about Iran?
U.S. will fund Israeli unit accused of gross human rights abuses
The determination ends a lengthy investigation of the Netzah Yehuda battalion, an ultra-Orthodox unit implicated in the death of a Palestinian American.
An Israeli security unit found by the United States to have committed gross violations of human rights will continue to receive U.S. funding because its actions have been “effectively remediated,” the Biden administration said Friday.
The announcement concludes a months-long investigation that coincided with an intense lobbying campaign by the Israeli government to oppose funding restrictions for the Netzah Yehuda battalion, an ultra-Orthodox unit accused of wrongdoing in the death in 2022 of an elderly Palestinian American man.
“This unit can continue receiving security assistance from the United States of America,” said State Department spokesman Matthew Miller.
The finding amounts to a victory for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and a stinging defeat for human rights experts inside the State Department and Pentagon who built a case over years that certain Israeli units should be barred from U.S. assistance under legislation known as the Leahy Laws.
Current and former officials said the decision by Secretary of State Antony Blinken to approve continued funding for the unit defied past practices of withholding assistance until serious accountability measures are taken such as criminal penalties for individuals accused of gross human rights violations.
“I have never seen a case where administrative measures such as the ones employed here were sufficient for remediation,” said Charles Blaha, a former State Department official in charge of the office that implements the Leahy Laws.
This is especially troubling when one of the allegations against this unit is that the unit is responsible for the death of an American citizen, which really calls into question the value that the State Department places on Palestinian American lives,” he said.
The Israeli Embassy in Washington did not provide comment.
In 2022, a commander of the battalion was reprimanded and the platoon commander and company commander removed from their positions following the death of Omar Assad, a 78-year-old former grocery store owner from Milwaukee who had been detained at a West Bank checkpoint.
Assad was reported to have suffered an stress-induced heart attack that was probably brought on by being bound, gagged and held by Israeli forces, the Israel Defense Forces said in a statement at the time. The IDF added that his death was the result of “moral failure and poor decision-making” by the soldiers who had detained him.
Though the individuals faced no criminal penalties, the State Department said it was satisfied by the measures taken by the Israeli government and noted that the individuals in question no longer serve in the military.
The Israel Defense Forces “took several steps to avoid a recurrence of incidents: it enhanced screening requirements for personnel recruited into that battalion and put in place new control mechanisms during the soldiers’ training,” said the State Department. “Soldiers now receive a two-week educational seminar unique to the battalion, and conduct is documented.”
Republicans in Congress vehemently opposed any efforts to punish the Israeli unit or any members of it, with Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) saying the action would “stigmatize the entire IDF and encourage Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regime.”
Blaha, who retired last year from the department and worked extensively on the case, said the consequences didn’t match what amounts to a “criminal homicide.”
Just think about what they did: This was a 78-year-old man. They arrested him for no legitimate reason — he was never charged with anything, they gagged him, they bound him, they left him on the floor of a construction site in the middle of January. The man died of a stress-induced heart attack, according to the Israeli autopsy,” said Blaha.
“The autopsy, however, found no connection between what the soldiers did to him and his fatal heart attack. In what U.S. court would that be credible? How would that hold up?” he said.
The Israeli government told U.S. officials that the two soldiers were referred for prosecution, said a U.S. official, but those prosecutions could not go forward because witnesses declined to cooperate. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic.
For months, Blinken weighed the recommendations from the panel known as the Israel Leahy Vetting Forum. The panel said it found multiple instances of gross violations of human rights by Netzah Yehuda and other Israeli units all occurring in the West Bank before Oct. 7. In each case, the State Department said the units had been remediated.
The review process was required under the landmark legislation created by Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) that prohibits the U.S. government from providing military assistance to individuals or security force units that commit gross violations of human rights with impunity.
Long before the State Department had announced its decision, Netanyahu vowed to resist the action.
“If anyone thinks they can impose sanctions on a unit of the IDF — I will fight it with all my strength,” Netanyahu said in a statement earlier this year.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/08/09/us-israel-military-aid-human-rights-abuse/
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At least 90 Palestinians killed in Israeli school strike, Gaza officials say
At least 90 Palestinians have been killed in an Israeli strike on a school in Gaza, according to local officials.
Gaza Civil Defense said the Al-Tabi’in school was housing displaced Palestinians in the Al-Daraj neighborhood in the eastern part of Gaza City when it was hit overnight into Saturday.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/10/middleeast/israeli-school-strike-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html
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