Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

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  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 5,363
    ComeToTX said:
    Exactly.  Not everyone is driven by making the most money they can.  Thankfully.
    And just to add, some people have lots of money and the prices are not an issue, but it doesn’t mean they have made good life choices.  
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,224
    SHZA said:
    I think saying that anyone who would feel financial strain from paying the current prices must have made poor "life choices" is a bad and condescending take. Any individual's financial circumstance is based on many factors. Not everyone has the same opportunities, priorities, or family situation. And misfortune can strike though no choice at all. If someone devotes their career to public service, teaching, etc., implying that they made a bad choice because concert tickets are less affordable is pretty insulting. 
    Agreed, but not only that, a lot of people who can afford such prices perfectly well may still have a problem with prices just because they are a total rip off, and/or because they care if people from all walks of life are able to attend concerts with them. I don't think those with money suddenly lose the concept of value for your dollar or fairness or accessibility for consumers.

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  • tino_11tino_11 Posts: 2,160
    Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

    Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 
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  • maximumlawmanmaximumlawman Regensburg, Germany Posts: 228
    tino_11 said:
    Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

    Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 
    You speak from my soul. The tone turned much more empathic today whereas yesterday it was cynicism all over. 
    PS Ayn am mine was still great. 
  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 5,363
    You speak from my soul. The tone turned much more empathic today whereas yesterday it was cynicism all over. 
    PS Ayn am mine was still great. 
    I’m here all week.  Try the veal 
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    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

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  • rw160510rw160510 Posts: 1,019
    tino_11 said:
    Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

    Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 
    Here here!
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,736
    tino_11 said:
    Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

    Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 
    I don't think it's ever ok to talk about another person's financial situation without really knowing their circumstances fully.  There are so many issues that can arise that forces someone's finances to be different than others.  It's not all bad choices or even good choices for your financial instability or stability.  Life happens and can really give you a good kick in the balls at inopportune times.  Of it's also this very reason why I will spend some money to travel to a few shows because who knows how long this lasts for me or the band. So Ill take the opportunity as it presents itself and is possible.   
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,745
    For the econ geeks amongst us:

    Concert Tickets

    • Only Taylor Swift can offer a Taylor Swift concert. She holds a monopoly on the creation and delivery of that experience. There is no substitute, and loyal fans are willing to pay for the experience. Because it is a scarce resource and the delivery is tightly controlled by a single provider, access to concerts has inelastic demand.
  • SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,155
    But inelastic demand typically pertains to necessities (utilities, prescription drugs) whereas luxury items have the most elastic demand. If TS decided to charge $5,000 per ticket I think we'd see some elasticity 
  • EddieredderEddieredder Posts: 751
    pjhawks said:
    I don't think it's ever ok to talk about another person's financial situation without really knowing their circumstances fully.  There are so many issues that can arise that forces someone's finances to be different than others.  It's not all bad choices or even good choices for your financial instability or stability.  Life happens and can really give you a good kick in the balls at inopportune times.  Of it's also this very reason why I will spend some money to travel to a few shows because who knows how long this lasts for me or the band. So Ill take the opportunity as it presents itself and is possible.   
    Its really easy to spend or judge other peoples finances. Why? Because its not yours. Never a good look IMO. Whether that person is a millionaire, poor, or famous. Everyone assumes that if your are famous you are rich, yet nobody really knows. 

    "The band are all millionaires....they should take less". Selfish take if you ask me. 
  • kaw753kaw753 Posts: 891
    JOEJOEJOE said:
    For the econ geeks amongst us:

    Concert Tickets

    • Only Taylor Swift can offer a Taylor Swift concert. She holds a monopoly on the creation and delivery of that experience. There is no substitute, and loyal fans are willing to pay for the experience. Because it is a scarce resource and the delivery is tightly controlled by a single provider, access to concerts has inelastic demand.
    I saw today that Singapore paid Taylor Swift to only play Singapore and no other Southeast Asian countries. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,664
    I don’t mind paying more but I have to get a good return for the cash I put out! For instance I spent close to $2k for three days in Vegas to see U2 at the sphere! It was worth every single cent 
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,790
    edited March 2024
    SHZA said:
    But inelastic demand typically pertains to necessities (utilities, prescription drugs) whereas luxury items have the most elastic demand. If TS decided to charge $5,000 per ticket I think we'd see some elasticity 
    Yah, but we'd probably see it on gas too, if has went from $4/gallon to $400/gallon :)

    It's that so far many items haven't pushed the price far enough to lower the demand below how many people are willing to buy tickets.  I am curious to know if the concert industry will hit the wall. 
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,499
    Check the prices of a Broadway play.  You’re easily paying $250 a ticket face value for lower level seating.  And they perform a show like 8 times a week.  For months or even years.  When you compare it to a concert that is one or two nights only in your city every 3 years, suddenly the price of a concert ticket seems more reasonable.  
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  • mikesbrimikesbri Toronto Posts: 1,002
    Just noticed Vancouver released some great seats. Unfortunate these don't go to 10c members. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,807
    I ll throw in some cash to get @lastexitlondon to a show.  Come on rob you know you want to go!!! 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • YourDirtisMyfoodYourDirtisMyfood Boston Posts: 4,657
    Fun Fact:  I paid $49 to see Taylor Swift in concert at Gillette Stadium in May of last year (the rain show, IYKYK).  How?  When the tickets dropped via TM on November 15th, 2022, I had 6 browsers up and somehow got in and those seats off to the side of the stage were all that was left.  But for $49 (probably $70 with fees), I bought them.
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,348
    PJ_Soul said:
    Agreed, but not only that, a lot of people who can afford such prices perfectly well may still have a problem with prices just because they are a total rip off, and/or because they care if people from all walks of life are able to attend concerts with them. I don't think those with money suddenly lose the concept of value for your dollar or fairness or accessibility for consumers.

    For the win. Would be a perfect close to this thread. 
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  • MD190661MD190661 Posts: 394
    I'm not here to carry water for the band and I'll happily call them out when I disagree with them. That said, Pearl Jam ticket prices have long been kept artificially low relative to what they could be charging. What the band charges has frequently been been multiples less than what comparable acts were asking for for their seats, particularly in the best locations. As for the PJ Premium seats, those are a small portion of the seats available so to act like that is the price for all tickets is disingenuous. PJ Premium seats are also a concession in order for the band to even get 10 club seats in todays day and age. Imagine if the folks here had to pay market price and didn't have the opportunity for 10c drawings like 99% of other musical acts?

    Yes. Things have changed. Yes the band has softened its stance on dealing with the devil (ticketmaster). Is it a perfect system? No. That doesn't mean we don't have it better than fans of most bands when it comes to ticket prices. Would you rather be paying $1,300 on stubhub before fees to get an obstructed view balcony seat to Taylor Swift?
    Just looked on ticketmaster for Springsteen tickets at the end of the month. They just added some face value seats near the stage. $400 a pop before fees. Not resale, not platinum. The ones behind the stage are $199 before $50 in fees. I'd never pay either to see anyone, esp acts I've seen at least 10 times. So, yes, PJ is charging a lot, but at least they aren't charing Bruce prices.
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  • YourDirtisMyfoodYourDirtisMyfood Boston Posts: 4,657
    Fun Fact:  I saw Bruce at Gillette last August for around $55 (before fees) in the 300s.  Fun concert, my first time seeing him and although rain was in the forecast, it held off thankfully.
  • ChrrieChrrie Posts: 292
    PJ_Soul said:
    Agreed, but not only that, a lot of people who can afford such prices perfectly well may still have a problem with prices just because they are a total rip off, and/or because they care if people from all walks of life are able to attend concerts with them. I don't think those with money suddenly lose the concept of value for your dollar or fairness or accessibility for consumers.

    These threads can continue on into infinity because there are people who don’t consider it a ripoff and people who need more value for their money. No side is right or wrong. PJ could release spreadsheets of the tour financial data which showed an itemized breakdown of where every dollar went and there would still be an argument about what should have cost less and who should be paid less. 

    I personally don’t care if Jeff could buy the entire state of Montana and turn it into a buffalo habitat with the earnings from this tour alone because I will always want the product they’re selling for as long as they sell it. But there’s no point in trying to convince someone to change their stance because it’s your right to feel whatever way you want and it’s also your right to voice your displeasure about it. Questioning people’s life choices for not wanting to spend $185 and attacking the character of the band over ticket prices as if you personally know them and have all the facts are equally bad looks though. 
  • OfThePearlOfThePearl Posts: 898
    Refreshing post.
  • ComeToTXComeToTX Austin Posts: 7,947
    Well said
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,727
    great take
  • seanwonseanwon Posts: 534


    1996: 9/29 Randall's Island 2,  10/1 Buffalo                  2000: 8/27 Saratoga Springs
    2003: 4/29 Albany,  5/2 Buffalo,  7/9 MSG 2                   2006: 5/12 Albany,  6/3 East Rutherford 2
    2008: 6/27 Hartford                 2009: 10/27 Philadelphia 1              2010: 5/15 Hartford,   5/21 MSG 2
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    2018: 9/2 Fenway 1
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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,103
    mcgruff10 said:
    I ll throw in some cash to get @lastexitlondon to a show.  Come on rob you know you want to go!!! 
    Im definitely game for this, and if Rob refuses to come along we can get a united shirt mailed to him ;)
  • Tjm007Tjm007 Posts: 187
    edited March 2024
    on2legs said:
    Check the prices of a Broadway play.  You’re easily paying $250 a ticket face value for lower level seating.  And they perform a show like 8 times a week.  For months or even years.  When you compare it to a concert that is one or two nights only in your city every 3 years, suddenly the price of a concert ticket seems more reasonable.  
    If the alternative is listen to a PJ album in the morning then cycle down to the pub for a few drinks with mates in the sun then home to watch Glastonbury on the telly vs £160 ticket plus £25 train then long queues, crap food  plus crap £8 beers to watch an ant sized Stone Gossard play through a crap stadium sound system then I will see you at the  Dog and Duck. I love PJ and have been a fan for 30+ years but sh1t venue and sh1t price swings the balance.
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  • LF183187LF183187 Posts: 12
    I’d rather be with an Aynimal 

    Some of the same arguments are in line with why we should not tax the ultra wealthy. My income has increased tenfold over the last 20 years, but that is not the same as ten million turning to 100 million and on and on. 
    Pearl Jam have shifted from a band somewhat sticking by the principles they preach (Green Disease, Soon Forget etc) to old rich dudes who larp as liberals while not living in the trenches of reality. 
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,499
    Tjm007 said:
    If the alternative is listen to a PJ album in the morning then cycle down to the pub for a few drinks with mates in the sun then home to watch Glastonbury on the telly vs £160 ticket plus £25 train then long queues, crap food  plus crap £8 beers to watch an ant sized Stone Gossard play through a crap stadium sound system then I will see you at the  Dog and Duck. I love PJ and have been a fan for 30+ years but sh1t venue and sh1t price swings the balance.
    I certainly respect your take and it definitely has to make sense financially for people.  I realize the Euro tour was a big sticker shock to fans in those countries.  I’m not happy about the price creeping ever upward either.  But I’ve never regretted going to a Pearl Jam show… even if it wasn’t an optimal experience (Wrigley with the rain or SHN with the festival setup).  And it’s usually a fantastic experience.  Seeing them 4 or 5 times in a tour can get pricey, but they don’t tour every year.  So if you divide the total cost by 3, it makes it a more reasonable expense in my mind and more comparable to seeing a band once or twice on a yearly basis. 

     
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  • kmcmanuskmcmanus Posts: 819
    Jeff turns 61 this weekend. Matt is already 61. How many more chances will we get? Almost everything costs more than it used to, it sucks. But some things are worth splurging on. If you had asked me in 2016 if I would have ever seen Petty or Soundgarden again I would have said “of course”, and I would have been wrong. So if I have to pay $18 more for MSG this year than I paid for Indy last year, I’m at peace with that. Especially considering that the tix are a drop in the bucket for getting to/staying in NYC & Indy from Syracuse. 
    This isn’t gonna last forever. And I doubt we’re gonna get advance notice when it ends. So I’m gonna act accordingly. 
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