Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

2-feign-reluctance

on2legs said:

kaw753 said:

I actually care more that the shows have gone from 35 songs down to 22 songs than I am about the tickets being $50 more. By the time I pay for travel and the time to get there, it isn't really worth it for a single show.

It is like how it now costs $20 to go to Chipotle and the employee shakes the scoop several times to make sure I don't get that extra cube of chicken.

Going to test this logic out tomorrow! Genius! 

maximumlawman

droptheleash9 said:

I'm not here to carry water for the band and I'll happily call them out when I disagree with them. That said, Pearl Jam ticket prices have long been kept artificially low relative to what they could be charging. What the band charges has frequently been been multiples less than what comparable acts were asking for for their seats, particularly in the best locations. As for the PJ Premium seats, those are a small portion of the seats available so to act like that is the price for all tickets is disingenuous. PJ Premium seats are also a concession in order for the band to even get 10 club seats in todays day and age. Imagine if the folks here had to pay market price and didn't have the opportunity for 10c drawings like 99% of other musical acts?

Yes. Things have changed. Yes the band has softened its stance on dealing with the devil (ticketmaster). Is it a perfect system? No. That doesn't mean we don't have it better than fans of most bands when it comes to ticket prices. Would you rather be paying $1,300 on stubhub before fees to get an obstructed view balcony seat to Taylor Swift?

What may have actually been artificially low in the US has felt like quite reasonably priced tickets in Europe for the last tours, non-transferable, almost no scalping. The drastic price increase combined with „let‘s move Tenclub seats to the side to make room for premium options“ in Berlin hit some of us in the gut. Therefore Ayn-Rand-comparisons and capitalism-themed songtitles come up to cope with the disappointment via cynicism.

Although I agree that we have it still better than the fans of most other bands, I will ask the bartender in my favourite bar tonight to play the video of PinkPops 1992 RITFW on the screen to bathe in PJ-nostalgia. 

23scidoo

jimjam1982 said:

pjhawks said:

It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.

Right?

They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.

If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them. 

Very bad..its the second time i think im reading posts about ''life choices''..ridiculous..

patkelly12

They didn’t change. They evolved. Evolving polls better. 

Zod

23scidoo said:

jimjam1982 said:

pjhawks said:

It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.

Right?

They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.

If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them. 

Very bad..its the second time i think im reading posts about ''life choices''..ridiculous..

not exactly ridiculous.   I think the reason veteran act's can charge more is because on average they have older fans, who on average have higher amounts of disposable income.  Not everyone, but on average.

It's why when we were young PJ, Nirvana, etc.. tickets were pretty cheap, but a Stones show would cost 3x as much.  

It's also technically the cycle many people go through in their career.   Late teen's and 20's, you figure out some education, figure out skills sets, build a career.   Get into your 30's you try to make sure you own a home and start building equity.  Get to your 40s and 50s and you should be in peak earning years (due to skills and experience).    That's when you do a lot of retirement saving etc.. Lots of people go through that cycle, it's not really ridiculous.   Yes some people get hit by the bad luck bus, but that's how it works for many people.

Like for me, the hardest tickets I ever bought were the ones for the 2000 tour. They were all US dates, FX rate was awful, it was my first year of university. I think after FX the Seattle tickets worked out to about 60cdn.   That was so hard to scrape up money.  a $208cdn 2024 ticket seems way less painful to me than a $60 2000 ticket.

marra2312

Zod said:

23scidoo said:

jimjam1982 said:

pjhawks said:

It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.

Right?

They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.

If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them. 

Very bad..its the second time i think im reading posts about ''life choices''..ridiculous..

not exactly ridiculous.   I think the reason veteran act's can charge more is because on average they have older fans, who on average have higher amounts of disposable income.  Not everyone, but on average.

It's why when we were young PJ, Nirvana, etc.. tickets were pretty cheap, but a Stones show would cost 3x as much.  

It's also technically the cycle many people go through in their career.   Late teen's and 20's, you figure out some education, figure out skills sets, build a career.   Get into your 30's you try to make sure you own a home and start building equity.  Get to your 40s and 50s and you should be in peak earning years (due to skills and experience).    That's when you do a lot of retirement saving etc.. Lots of people go through that cycle, it's not really ridiculous.   Yes some people get hit by the bad luck bus, but that's how it works for many people.

I mean there's a bunch of reasons that veteran acts can charge more.

There's the obvious thing of inflation - both natural and forced. Almost all tickets, no matter the size of the band are more expensive than they were 10 years ago, let alone 30 years ago.

Then there is the supply/demand issue. For a veteran act to still be playing large venues, there is likely to be high demand for them generally speaking. Also veteran acts often play less frequently than younger acts, which impacts that.

And finally, there's the reason you point out about the disposable income of much of the fan base.

There's probably 30 other reasons that smarter people than me can identify. 

Doesn't mean the bands always get the pricing right. This particular tour it seems like the EU pricing has been generally more expensive than the market probably supports. It happens.

PJ_Soul

RatherStarved said:

LF183187 said:

Yeah, mostly just disappointed with the ticket prices. Seem excessive, me as a person with “high” income by statistical standards. Guess I’m officially old at 39. Not so much the lottery loss. Pearl Jam are playing in the Taylor Swift sandbox I guess. Must’ve just discovered Ayn Rand or something. 

Maybe they will play the RNC soon. 

Ayn Am Mine

SHZA

Zod said:

23scidoo said:

jimjam1982 said:

pjhawks said:

It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.

Right?

They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.

If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them. 

Very bad..its the second time i think im reading posts about ''life choices''..ridiculous..

not exactly ridiculous.   I think the reason veteran act's can charge more is because on average they have older fans, who on average have higher amounts of disposable income.  Not everyone, but on average.

It's why when we were young PJ, Nirvana, etc.. tickets were pretty cheap, but a Stones show would cost 3x as much.  

It's also technically the cycle many people go through in their career.   Late teen's and 20's, you figure out some education, figure out skills sets, build a career.   Get into your 30's you try to make sure you own a home and start building equity.  Get to your 40s and 50s and you should be in peak earning years (due to skills and experience).    That's when you do a lot of retirement saving etc.. Lots of people go through that cycle, it's not really ridiculous.   Yes some people get hit by the bad luck bus, but that's how it works for many people.

Like for me, the hardest tickets I ever bought were the ones for the 2000 tour. They were all US dates, FX rate was awful, it was my first year of university. I think after FX the Seattle tickets worked out to about 60cdn.   That was so hard to scrape up money.  a $208cdn 2024 ticket seems way less painful to me than a $60 2000 ticket.

I think saying that anyone who would feel financial strain from paying the current prices must have made poor "life choices" is a bad and condescending take. Any individual's financial circumstance is based on many factors. Not everyone has the same opportunities, priorities, or family situation. And misfortune can strike though no choice at all. If someone devotes their career to public service, teaching, etc., implying that they made a bad choice because concert tickets are less affordable is pretty insulting. 

on2legs

2-feign-reluctance said:

on2legs said:

kaw753 said:

I actually care more that the shows have gone from 35 songs down to 22 songs than I am about the tickets being $50 more. By the time I pay for travel and the time to get there, it isn't really worth it for a single show.

It is like how it now costs $20 to go to Chipotle and the employee shakes the scoop several times to make sure I don't get that extra cube of chicken.

Going to test this logic out tomorrow! Genius! 

I wish I could claim it as my own theory because its next level thinking!

ComeToTX

SHZA said:

Zod said:

23scidoo said:

jimjam1982 said:

pjhawks said:

It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.

Right?

They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.

If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them. 

Very bad..its the second time i think im reading posts about ''life choices''..ridiculous..

not exactly ridiculous.   I think the reason veteran act's can charge more is because on average they have older fans, who on average have higher amounts of disposable income.  Not everyone, but on average.

It's why when we were young PJ, Nirvana, etc.. tickets were pretty cheap, but a Stones show would cost 3x as much.  

It's also technically the cycle many people go through in their career.   Late teen's and 20's, you figure out some education, figure out skills sets, build a career.   Get into your 30's you try to make sure you own a home and start building equity.  Get to your 40s and 50s and you should be in peak earning years (due to skills and experience).    That's when you do a lot of retirement saving etc.. Lots of people go through that cycle, it's not really ridiculous.   Yes some people get hit by the bad luck bus, but that's how it works for many people.

Like for me, the hardest tickets I ever bought were the ones for the 2000 tour. They were all US dates, FX rate was awful, it was my first year of university. I think after FX the Seattle tickets worked out to about 60cdn.   That was so hard to scrape up money.  a $208cdn 2024 ticket seems way less painful to me than a $60 2000 ticket.

I think saying that anyone who would feel financial strain from paying the current prices must have made poor "life choices" is a bad and condescending take. Any individual's financial circumstance is based on many factors. Not everyone has the same opportunities, priorities, or family situation. And misfortune can strike though no choice at all. If someone devotes their career to public service, teaching, etc., implying that they made a bad choice because concert tickets are less affordable is pretty insulting. 

Exactly.  Not everyone is driven by making the most money they can.  Thankfully.

RatherStarved

ComeToTX said:

SHZA said:

Zod said:

23scidoo said:

jimjam1982 said:

pjhawks said:

It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.

Right?

They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.

If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them. 

Very bad..its the second time i think im reading posts about ''life choices''..ridiculous..

not exactly ridiculous.   I think the reason veteran act's can charge more is because on average they have older fans, who on average have higher amounts of disposable income.  Not everyone, but on average.

It's why when we were young PJ, Nirvana, etc.. tickets were pretty cheap, but a Stones show would cost 3x as much.  

It's also technically the cycle many people go through in their career.   Late teen's and 20's, you figure out some education, figure out skills sets, build a career.   Get into your 30's you try to make sure you own a home and start building equity.  Get to your 40s and 50s and you should be in peak earning years (due to skills and experience).    That's when you do a lot of retirement saving etc.. Lots of people go through that cycle, it's not really ridiculous.   Yes some people get hit by the bad luck bus, but that's how it works for many people.

Like for me, the hardest tickets I ever bought were the ones for the 2000 tour. They were all US dates, FX rate was awful, it was my first year of university. I think after FX the Seattle tickets worked out to about 60cdn.   That was so hard to scrape up money.  a $208cdn 2024 ticket seems way less painful to me than a $60 2000 ticket.

I think saying that anyone who would feel financial strain from paying the current prices must have made poor "life choices" is a bad and condescending take. Any individual's financial circumstance is based on many factors. Not everyone has the same opportunities, priorities, or family situation. And misfortune can strike though no choice at all. If someone devotes their career to public service, teaching, etc., implying that they made a bad choice because concert tickets are less affordable is pretty insulting. 

Exactly.  Not everyone is driven by making the most money they can.  Thankfully.

And just to add, some people have lots of money and the prices are not an issue, but it doesn’t mean they have made good life choices.  

PJ_Soul

SHZA said:

Zod said:

23scidoo said:

jimjam1982 said:

pjhawks said:

It's really got to suck for the guys in the band to be held to standards they set for themselves 25-30 years ago. I sure as heck don't want people in my life to hold me to the same standards or beliefs I had when I was 20-25 years old. Maybe stop holding them to those standards of yesteryear  or put them on a pedestal that they are above what other bands do or charge.  No system they implement is going to be perfect, but the more 10C seats and the availability of every show is still pretty damn good.  The premium prices is a really easy decision for most people. Either you are ok with paying it or not.  It shouldn't be a two week bitch fest about the cost in my opinion because the old days aren't coming back.

Right?

They fought for their fanbase that was 16 to 26 years old primarily at the time....which btw is when you are at your poorest.

If you can't afford shows now... No one to blame but the choices you have made of your own free will. 30 years later and you haven't grown and made more money? Take a long hard look in the mirror before blaming the band. Your decisions aren't the bands fault. Plenty of things to complain about in this world and Pearl Jam ticket prices aren't one of them. 

Very bad..its the second time i think im reading posts about ''life choices''..ridiculous..

not exactly ridiculous.   I think the reason veteran act's can charge more is because on average they have older fans, who on average have higher amounts of disposable income.  Not everyone, but on average.

It's why when we were young PJ, Nirvana, etc.. tickets were pretty cheap, but a Stones show would cost 3x as much.  

It's also technically the cycle many people go through in their career.   Late teen's and 20's, you figure out some education, figure out skills sets, build a career.   Get into your 30's you try to make sure you own a home and start building equity.  Get to your 40s and 50s and you should be in peak earning years (due to skills and experience).    That's when you do a lot of retirement saving etc.. Lots of people go through that cycle, it's not really ridiculous.   Yes some people get hit by the bad luck bus, but that's how it works for many people.

Like for me, the hardest tickets I ever bought were the ones for the 2000 tour. They were all US dates, FX rate was awful, it was my first year of university. I think after FX the Seattle tickets worked out to about 60cdn.   That was so hard to scrape up money.  a $208cdn 2024 ticket seems way less painful to me than a $60 2000 ticket.

I think saying that anyone who would feel financial strain from paying the current prices must have made poor "life choices" is a bad and condescending take. Any individual's financial circumstance is based on many factors. Not everyone has the same opportunities, priorities, or family situation. And misfortune can strike though no choice at all. If someone devotes their career to public service, teaching, etc., implying that they made a bad choice because concert tickets are less affordable is pretty insulting. 

Agreed, but not only that, a lot of people who can afford such prices perfectly well may still have a problem with prices just because they are a total rip off, and/or because they care if people from all walks of life are able to attend concerts with them. I don't think those with money suddenly lose the concept of value for your dollar or fairness or accessibility for consumers.

tino_11

Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 

maximumlawman

tino_11 said:

Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 

You speak from my soul. The tone turned much more empathic today whereas yesterday it was cynicism all over. 

PS Ayn am mine was still great. 

RatherStarved

maximumlawman said:

tino_11 said:

Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 

You speak from my soul. The tone turned much more empathic today whereas yesterday it was cynicism all over. 

PS Ayn am mine was still great. 

I’m here all week.  Try the veal 

rw160510

tino_11 said:

Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 

Here here!

pjhawks

tino_11 said:

Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 

I don't think it's ever ok to talk about another person's financial situation without really knowing their circumstances fully.  There are so many issues that can arise that forces someone's finances to be different than others.  It's not all bad choices or even good choices for your financial instability or stability.  Life happens and can really give you a good kick in the balls at inopportune times.  Of it's also this very reason why I will spend some money to travel to a few shows because who knows how long this lasts for me or the band. So Ill take the opportunity as it presents itself and is possible.   

JOEJOEJOE

For the econ geeks amongst us:

Concert Tickets

• Only Taylor Swift can offer a Taylor Swift concert. She holds a monopoly on the creation and delivery of that experience. There is no substitute, and loyal fans are willing to pay for the experience. Because it is a scarce resource and the delivery is tightly controlled by a single provider, access to concerts has inelastic demand.

SHZA

But inelastic demand typically pertains to necessities (utilities, prescription drugs) whereas luxury items have the most elastic demand. If TS decided to charge $5,000 per ticket I think we'd see some elasticity 

Eddieredder

pjhawks said:

tino_11 said:

Some great posts above and I’m thankful to see some humanity in this thread.

Can I also add that although people’s income may grow as they get older, so do their financial responsibilities. Whether it’s mortgages/rent, kids, care for elderly parents or something else, it’s certainly not a given that people have way more disposable income. 

I don't think it's ever ok to talk about another person's financial situation without really knowing their circumstances fully.  There are so many issues that can arise that forces someone's finances to be different than others.  It's not all bad choices or even good choices for your financial instability or stability.  Life happens and can really give you a good kick in the balls at inopportune times.  Of it's also this very reason why I will spend some money to travel to a few shows because who knows how long this lasts for me or the band. So Ill take the opportunity as it presents itself and is possible.   

Its really easy to spend or judge other peoples finances. Why? Because its not yours. Never a good look IMO. Whether that person is a millionaire, poor, or famous. Everyone assumes that if your are famous you are rich, yet nobody really knows. 

"The band are all millionaires....they should take less". Selfish take if you ask me.