Exclusive PJ listening party West Hollywood 1.31.24 - Confirmed DARK MATTER and wish I was there

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  • verceman
    verceman Posts: 704
    kmcmanus said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    estarr31 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Jeff Ament Jan 2024: we made this record like a year ago
    Jeff Ament Summer 2023: we've got a few things recorded, I really don't know where it's at right now
    these two statements go together. I'm not in the industry but usually takes a while to release a big band's album with marketing, releases, lining up with a tour. They were talking about recording new music in 2022. 
    the absolutely do not. "a few things recorded" 6 months after it was "in the can" are not at all the same thing. 
    But Jeff’s the one who does most of the art direction, so when Stone’s work is finished he still has all of that left to do. He might honestly have a very different idea of “finished” than the other guys.
    In one of his podcast interviews over the summer he was downright defiant that the songs weren't done and he implied that he wanted to push Eddie and Mike to push themselves a bit more. It was in June and he said they were taking a break for the summer and regrouping in September to revisit the tracks. Quite the ruse.
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Pumped for this & will ignore the snippets.
    I LOVE MUSIC.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    kmcmanus said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    estarr31 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Jeff Ament Jan 2024: we made this record like a year ago
    Jeff Ament Summer 2023: we've got a few things recorded, I really don't know where it's at right now
    these two statements go together. I'm not in the industry but usually takes a while to release a big band's album with marketing, releases, lining up with a tour. They were talking about recording new music in 2022. 
    the absolutely do not. "a few things recorded" 6 months after it was "in the can" are not at all the same thing. 
    But Jeff’s the one who does most of the art direction, so when Stone’s work is finished he still has all of that left to do. He might honestly have a very different idea of “finished” than the other guys.
    he talked specifically about how far along the MUSIC was, not the art and all of that other stuff. 
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • tylermoore
    tylermoore St. Joseph, MI Posts: 1,116
    kmcmanus said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    estarr31 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Jeff Ament Jan 2024: we made this record like a year ago
    Jeff Ament Summer 2023: we've got a few things recorded, I really don't know where it's at right now
    these two statements go together. I'm not in the industry but usually takes a while to release a big band's album with marketing, releases, lining up with a tour. They were talking about recording new music in 2022. 
    the absolutely do not. "a few things recorded" 6 months after it was "in the can" are not at all the same thing. 
    But Jeff’s the one who does most of the art direction, so when Stone’s work is finished he still has all of that left to do. He might honestly have a very different idea of “finished” than the other guys.
    Saying “a few things recorded” is also so vague. That quite easily translate to “we have an albums worth of music done and I’m not going to announce it yet” 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    either way I don't care. I'm not complaining. I just think it's funny that it seems like jeff likes to troll us. haha
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,828
    kmcmanus said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    estarr31 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Jeff Ament Jan 2024: we made this record like a year ago
    Jeff Ament Summer 2023: we've got a few things recorded, I really don't know where it's at right now
    these two statements go together. I'm not in the industry but usually takes a while to release a big band's album with marketing, releases, lining up with a tour. They were talking about recording new music in 2022. 
    the absolutely do not. "a few things recorded" 6 months after it was "in the can" are not at all the same thing. 
    But Jeff’s the one who does most of the art direction, so when Stone’s work is finished he still has all of that left to do. He might honestly have a very different idea of “finished” than the other guys.
    I think you nailed it here.  I bet Jeff doesn't actively start the artwork until he's had time to listen to the album in order for a while.  I am sure that he has ideas brewing the entire time, but needs the finished product first before he really gets into it.  These guys take an old school and traditional approach to creating and sharing an album because it's what they loved about their favorite bands before them, and continue to do it even if the landscape of how people approach listening to music has changed.  They are still very much into the "ritual" of spinning the black circle, and know that a chunk of their fans still are as well.  In Jeff's eyes, the album may only be 60 or 70% done with the recording, mixing, and mastering complete.

    I for one am excited for this album, like I am for all of their new stuff.  To me, they rarely disappoint.  I liked Gigaton a lot.  I would love to see them take the direction of more songs like Quick Escape, and maybe that's what they're going for here?  Hoping for a more riff-heavy album, and where it's not good hard rock, I hope it gets dark, moody, and trippy like Alright. 

    With a guy like Watt being a mega fan of the band, there's a great chance he knows how to guide them through this process to maximize their strengths.  I think Watt also knows what constitutes a hit these days and how to put a modern spin on a classic band.

    My hope is that Dark Matter is to Pearl Jam what Death Magnetic is to Metallica. 


  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    The stretching people are doing to make Jeff's words not seem like they contradicted themselves is fun to watch. 
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,828
    PJNB said:
    The stretching people are doing to make Jeff's words not seem like they contradicted themselves is fun to watch. 
    Maybe...  But this is the same band that presumably also pulled almost a full album's worth of material after the release of Can't Deny Me, too.  It could be that especially after doing something like that, that there's an actual hesitation to commit to delivering music until they're absolutely sure about it.  It's usually better to under-promise and over-deliver than the opposite.


  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 NEW YORK Posts: 11,300
    Band members being asked is album ready yet equals annoying brats in back seat asking if we are there yet

    and the way they roll out music is their call...who cares, if they didnt say a word and just dropped it vs the lead up....the date is the date, its just a question of if YOUR uptight, not them
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,118
    PJNB said:
    The stretching people are doing to make Jeff's words not seem like they contradicted themselves is fun to watch. 
    100% haha this is funny. can't wait for the first single (OOPS, should I not say that? Dave A wants to know)
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    Is there a pic of the tshirt?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,071
    edited February 2024
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Is there a pic of the tshirt?
    The center kinda looked like a backspacer-esque disc with Dark Mattter written on it. And then circles or swirls in rainbow colors going all around it. Kinda like this.


    Post edited by spankyMP on
    Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 Baltimore 3/28/20 Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24, Nashville 5/6/25, 5/8/25
  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,071

    Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 Baltimore 3/28/20 Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24, Nashville 5/6/25, 5/8/25
  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 904
    edited February 2024
     
  • djjazzy276
    djjazzy276 Posts: 235
    kmcmanus said:
     
    Since the moment I saw this, it's been giving me "Ash getting sucked through the time portal in Evil Dead II/Army of Darkness" vibes. I'm here for it.
  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 98,322
    djjazzy276 said:
    kmcmanus said:
     
    Since the moment I saw this, it's been giving me "Ash getting sucked through the time portal in Evil Dead II/Army of Darkness" vibes. I'm here for it.

    My first thought was ..


  • Human Tide
    Human Tide Posts: 330
    verceman said:
    kmcmanus said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    estarr31 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Jeff Ament Jan 2024: we made this record like a year ago
    Jeff Ament Summer 2023: we've got a few things recorded, I really don't know where it's at right now
    these two statements go together. I'm not in the industry but usually takes a while to release a big band's album with marketing, releases, lining up with a tour. They were talking about recording new music in 2022. 
    the absolutely do not. "a few things recorded" 6 months after it was "in the can" are not at all the same thing. 
    But Jeff’s the one who does most of the art direction, so when Stone’s work is finished he still has all of that left to do. He might honestly have a very different idea of “finished” than the other guys.
    In one of his podcast interviews over the summer he was downright defiant that the songs weren't done and he implied that he wanted to push Eddie and Mike to push themselves a bit more. It was in June and he said they were taking a break for the summer and regrouping in September to revisit the tracks. Quite the ruse.
    At the time, that interview seemed like the most honest take I'd heard on the band from a member. There was a clear sense of disappointment about the band not meeting their potential, and it made me wonder whether they might be nearing the end of the road. He was talking about how they had everything they needed to be great, with the clear implication that he felt they could do better. I believe the line was "We should be killing it right now..."

    Very hard to know what to make of all that. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,675
    kmcmanus said:
     

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • bobasfeet
    bobasfeet Posts: 1,207
    So when do you all think realistically announce will happen?  I feel like the newsletter will drop it all.
  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,071
    bobasfeet said:
    So when do you all think realistically announce will happen?  I feel like the newsletter will drop it all.
    Probably 2/10
    Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 Baltimore 3/28/20 Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24, Nashville 5/6/25, 5/8/25

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