Hunter Biden Laptop Controversy
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Yeah I'm not going to dive into all gun offenses. Likely a lot relate to gun on gun where both shooters are willing participants.The Juggler said:So why drag this on then? He specifically mentioned schools in the first post of his that you replied to and now you say you agree with him. What are we doing here?
Thankfully all those other people who killed people with handguns didn't use AR 15's or else we'd likely have thousands and thousands more dead people due to guns in this country.
Christ if you can't see that people being able to buy assault weapons is the problem then start a different thread. And yes....an AR15 is a fucking assault weapon.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.mickeyrat said:Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating.Gern Blansten said:Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
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Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.Merkin Baller said:It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating.
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And, again, these hypocrites on the maga right keep talking about the "weaponization of the government..." yet it was a Trump appointed attorney who lead this investigation into Biden's son.Gern Blansten said:Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.www.myspace.com0 -
Wait, I thought he was paid by a shell company that was from China. Was that proven false now? I have zero desire to read up on everything that transpired and looking for the cliffs notes.Gern Blansten said:Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.0 -
Whatever it was, it wasn't illegal. Certainly not worth all the bitching and complaining from the maga right for the last 5 years....tempo_n_groove said:Wait, I thought he was paid by a shell company that was from China. Was that proven false now? I have zero desire to read up on everything that transpired and looking for the cliffs notes.www.myspace.com0 -
My understanding is that the shell company invested funds with the company that Hunter was an advisor for. It's like being a Schwab employee and people blaming you for people putting their money in Schwab funds.tempo_n_groove said:Wait, I thought he was paid by a shell company that was from China. Was that proven false now? I have zero desire to read up on everything that transpired and looking for the cliffs notes.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Yes, and the post he specifically responded to was talking about lack of gun law enforcement. Failing to see your point. Why should I only discuss school shootings when the original topic was lack of enforcement?The Juggler said:That's a lot of words and multiple posts but....the guy you responded to was specifically talking about school shootings though.
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The Juggler said:Whatever it was, it wasn't illegal. Certainly not worth all the bitching and complaining from the maga right for the last 5 years....
Thank you both!Gern Blansten said:My understanding is that the shell company invested funds with the company that Hunter was an advisor for. It's like being a Schwab employee and people blaming you for people putting their money in Schwab funds.0 -
I said I don’t have any issue with stricter assault weapons laws. But also they are a very small piece to the puzzle but yet get all of the attention. I used 1% as a guess, according to this article is 3% of homicide use assault rifles.Gern Blansten said:Yeah I'm not going to dive into all gun offenses. Likely a lot relate to gun on gun where both shooters are willing participants.
Christ if you can't see that people being able to buy assault weapons is the problem then start a different thread. And yes....an AR15 is a fucking assault weapon.
“Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders.”
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/#:~:text=Rifles –%20the%20category%20that%20includes,as%20“type%20not%20stated.”
So a complete ban on all assault rifles, assuming those people will just give up crime and not use another weapon because of a ban, we only reduce firearm murders by at most 3%.. that still leaves us with an incredible high number of un deaths compared to other countries.
So yeah, our gun problem is far more than assault rifles.
This was all brought up with respect to Hunter. Asking why are we so lenient on current gun laws? Which I agree with. If we can’t hold people accountable le for illegally possessing a firearm, what’s the point in making new laws if we don’t enforce the ones we have. I think we should be strict on people who illegally possess guns. Why would anyone who opposes gun crime be against that? But yet, seems like many don’t agree with holding Hunter accountable for that. Crack down on guns. That means punish people who buy, sell, transport, use or possess them illegally. That, to me, seems like step 1 of common sense gun laws we keep hearing we need.
I don’t think he should be in prison for safety reason. But massive fines, probation, community service, etc would be appropriate.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
I'm all for enforcing gun laws, but I also understand plea deals are a pretty crucial aspect of our legal system... without them, our courts would be bogged down indefinitely, unable to do anything.mace1229 said:I said I don’t have any issue with stricter assault weapons laws. But also they are a very small piece to the puzzle but yet get all of the attention. I used 1% as a guess, according to this article is 3% of homicide use assault rifles.
“Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders.”
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/#:~:text=Rifles –%20the%20category%20that%20includes,as%20“type%20not%20stated.”
So a complete ban on all assault rifles, assuming those people will just give up crime and not use another weapon because of a ban, we only reduce firearm murders by at most 3%.. that still leaves us with an incredible high number of un deaths compared to other countries.
So yeah, our gun problem is far more than assault rifles.
This was all brought up with respect to Hunter. Asking why are we so or isn’t on current gun laws? Which I agree with. If we can’t hold people accountable le for illegally possessing a firearm, what’s the point in making new laws if we don’t enforce the ones we have. I think we should be strict on people who illegally possess guns. Why would anyone who opposes gun crime be against that? But yet, seems like many don’t agree with holding Hunter accountable for that. Crack down on guns. That means punish people who buy, sell, transport, use or possess them illegally. That, to me, seems like step 1 of common sense gun laws we keep hearing we need
As I understand it, the gun offense was that he checked off 'no' on the application when asked if he was under the influence of or uses illegal drugs. If I have that wrong, I'm open to being corrected, but if I have that right... what punishment for this offense would have satisfied you?
He struck a plea deal w/ a trump appointed prosecutor... why would that prosecutor have taken that deal? I don't know, I don't know 100% of the details of the case. Do you?0 -
It leans into the complexity of getting a conviction for someone who is an addict and their medical history. Hunter admitted to the crime in his book and was initially questioned and investigated by local law enforcement. The DA declined to press charges because of the complexity and difficulty of securing a conviction for lying on the form due to claiming he wasn’t a user. Perhaps part of Hunter’s recovery is admitting guilt for past mistakes and paying the price?Merkin Baller said:I'm all for enforcing gun laws, but I also understand plea deals are a pretty crucial aspect of our legal system... without them, our courts would be bogged down indefinitely, unable to do anything.
As I understand it, the gun offense was that he checked off 'no' on the application when asked if he was under the influence of or uses illegal drugs. If I have that wrong, I'm open to being corrected, but if I have that right... what punishment for this offense would have satisfied you?
He struck a plea deal w/ a trump appointed prosecutor... why would that prosecutor have taken that deal? I don't know, I don't know 100% of the details of the case. Do you?
If folks were really concerned about enforcing current gun laws, then they wouldn’t vote for candidates that run on defunding the ATF. Full funding of ATF would allow them to go after the “responsible” gun sellers and buyers who make the straw purchases. But we know the NRA and the firearms manufacturers would never get on board with it, just like some posters on here wouldn’t get on board with it. Can’t have Jack booted thugs infringing on 2A, dontcha know?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Where were these concerns about tightening up gun laws when a 17yo Kyle Rittenhouse murdered multiple Americans at a protest w/ a gun that was given to him / he didn't own?
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You should ask the jury that found him not guilty....Merkin Baller said:
Where were these concerns about tightening up gun laws when a 17yo Kyle Rittenhouse murdered multiple Americans at a protest w/ a gun that was given to him / he didn't own?0 -
ok we know he was found innocent but I’ll ask you were you outraged by what he did?JB16057 said:You should ask the jury that found him not guilty....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
I was frustrated that a kid put himself into that circumstance but as for him killing the people that attacked him first, no, that does not outrage me. Kyle had to defend himself against people threatening his life or die. I would do that same thing except I would never have put myself in that position to begin with but if my life is ever threatened, I won't hesitate to kill. If you remember, Kyle only shot the people that threatened his life.josevolution said:ok we know he was found innocent but I’ll ask you were you outraged by what he did?
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As I understand it, the defense found that there were no laws on the books stating that a 17yo couldn't be in possession of a firearm, only that a 17yo couldn't own one.JB16057 said:You should ask the jury that found him not guilty....
So if my recollection is correct, again I ask, where were all the concerns from conservatives about tightening up those gun laws after that happened? Are you ok w/ 17 year olds being in possession of and walking around with assault rifles?
It's not as if he was protecting his parents house or business.0 -
Tell us how you feel about a 17 year old possessing a firearm that they weren’t legally allowed to possess.JB16057 said:I was frustrated that a kid put himself into that circumstance but as for him killing the people that attacked him first, no, that does not outrage me. Kyle had to defend himself against people threatening his life or die. I would do that same thing except I would never have put myself in that position to begin with but if my life is ever threatened, I won't hesitate to kill. If you remember, Kyle only shot the people that threatened his life.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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No. I'm not OK with 17 year olds being in possession of and walking around with assault rifles.Merkin Baller said:As I understand it, the defense found that there were no laws on the books stating that a 17yo couldn't be in possession of a firearm, only that a 17yo couldn't own one.
So if my recollection is correct, again I ask, where were all the concerns from conservatives about tightening up those gun laws after that happened? Are you ok w/ 17 year olds being in possession of and walking around with assault rifles?
It's not as if he was protecting his parents house or business.
The person that bought the gun for Rittenhouse did get into trouble but the felony charge was dropped which I don't agree with.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/friend-bought-rifle-kyle-rittenhouse-plea-deal/story?id=82178053
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