Hunter Biden Laptop Controversy

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,185
    edited June 2023
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    One of the most popular threads on this site is "America's Gun Violence". Hunter has a history with breaking gun laws and being a stupid gun owner. He broke the law yet he is skating by with no penalty. This is one of the biggest issues with guns in America. We have laws and often times they don't get enforced. We will never fix our gun issues if we don't start throwing the book at gun laws being broken. This is another fine example of how Democrats and Pearl Jam Message Board Members wants to bitch about guns yet they applaud when one of their own gets away with doing no time.

    YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!
    Do you realize it was a Trump appointed attorney who investigated him for 5 years? Lol. And here you are...blaming a Pearl Jam message board somehow?

    maga!
    It doesn't matter who investigated him. Hunter should be getting harsher charges when it comes to the gun laws at a minimum. You can't argue with what I said so you have to throw Trump and maga into the conversation to deflect. 

    Why have gun laws if they don't get fully enforced? This is a huge part of the issue with America and guns but you'd rather discuss Trump and maga. Good job!
    The problem isn't a guy having a gun that has a drug issue...the problem is people buying AR-15s and shooting up schools.
    ARs make up something like 1% of gun deaths though. I’m going off memory, so that may not be exact, but it’s very, very small. So can’t blame ARs for our gun problem.
    It's the preferred gun of choice to shoot up a school. Well documented.
    That may be true. Doesn’t change the fact ARs are used in just a small fraction of gun crimes. 
    Some said not enforcing gun laws is the problem. You said ARs are the problem. They are the smallest piece to the puzzle.
    So why drag this on then? He specifically mentioned schools in the first post of his that you replied to and now you say you agree with him. What are we doing here?

    Thankfully all those other people who killed people with handguns didn't use AR 15's or else we'd likely have thousands and thousands more dead people due to guns in this country. 
    Yeah I'm not going to dive into all gun offenses. Likely a lot relate to gun on gun where both shooters are willing participants.

    Christ if you can't see that people being able to buy assault weapons is the problem then start a different thread. And yes....an AR15 is a fucking assault weapon.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    mickeyrat said:
    Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    mickeyrat said:
    Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
    It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,185
    mickeyrat said:
    Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
    It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating. 
    Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.


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  • The Juggler
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    edited June 2023
    mickeyrat said:
    Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
    It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating. 
    Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.


    And, again, these hypocrites on the maga right keep talking about the "weaponization of the government..." yet it was a Trump appointed attorney who lead this investigation into Biden's son. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    mickeyrat said:
    Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
    It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating. 
    Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.


    Wait, I thought he was paid by a shell company that was from China.  Was that proven false now?  I have zero desire to read up on everything that transpired and looking for the cliffs notes.
  • The Juggler
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    mickeyrat said:
    Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
    It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating. 
    Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.


    Wait, I thought he was paid by a shell company that was from China.  Was that proven false now?  I have zero desire to read up on everything that transpired and looking for the cliffs notes.
    Whatever it was, it wasn't illegal. Certainly not worth all the bitching and complaining from the maga right for the last 5 years....
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  • Gern Blansten
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    mickeyrat said:
    Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
    It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating. 
    Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.


    Wait, I thought he was paid by a shell company that was from China.  Was that proven false now?  I have zero desire to read up on everything that transpired and looking for the cliffs notes.
    My understanding is that the shell company invested funds with the company that Hunter was an advisor for. It's like being a Schwab employee and people blaming you for people putting their money in Schwab funds.
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  • mace1229
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    That's a lot of words and multiple posts but....the guy you responded to was specifically talking about school shootings though.

    Yes, and the post he specifically responded to was talking about lack of gun law enforcement. Failing to see your point. Why should I only discuss school shootings when the original topic was lack of enforcement?
  • tempo_n_groove
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    mickeyrat said:
    Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
    It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating. 
    Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.


    Wait, I thought he was paid by a shell company that was from China.  Was that proven false now?  I have zero desire to read up on everything that transpired and looking for the cliffs notes.
    Whatever it was, it wasn't illegal. Certainly not worth all the bitching and complaining from the maga right for the last 5 years....
    mickeyrat said:
    Yeah that's the perfect point. I'm still not completely up on the circumstances but the whole idea that he is being charged for not "paying" tax seems odd. It isn't a charge for tax evasion but maybe it could have been? Everything I read seemed to indicate that it related to him not paying the tax. Like he had a large outstanding liability. That generally doesn't warrant a federal charge.
    It's *almost* as if it really was a witch hunt to catch the bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY red handed, but this is the most they could come up with after all the years of investigating. 
    Yeah and if that is the case it's beyond fucked up. All this talk of Hunter getting money from China ended up with zilch.


    Wait, I thought he was paid by a shell company that was from China.  Was that proven false now?  I have zero desire to read up on everything that transpired and looking for the cliffs notes.
    My understanding is that the shell company invested funds with the company that Hunter was an advisor for. It's like being a Schwab employee and people blaming you for people putting their money in Schwab funds.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited June 2023
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    One of the most popular threads on this site is "America's Gun Violence". Hunter has a history with breaking gun laws and being a stupid gun owner. He broke the law yet he is skating by with no penalty. This is one of the biggest issues with guns in America. We have laws and often times they don't get enforced. We will never fix our gun issues if we don't start throwing the book at gun laws being broken. This is another fine example of how Democrats and Pearl Jam Message Board Members wants to bitch about guns yet they applaud when one of their own gets away with doing no time.

    YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!
    Do you realize it was a Trump appointed attorney who investigated him for 5 years? Lol. And here you are...blaming a Pearl Jam message board somehow?

    maga!
    It doesn't matter who investigated him. Hunter should be getting harsher charges when it comes to the gun laws at a minimum. You can't argue with what I said so you have to throw Trump and maga into the conversation to deflect. 

    Why have gun laws if they don't get fully enforced? This is a huge part of the issue with America and guns but you'd rather discuss Trump and maga. Good job!
    The problem isn't a guy having a gun that has a drug issue...the problem is people buying AR-15s and shooting up schools.
    ARs make up something like 1% of gun deaths though. I’m going off memory, so that may not be exact, but it’s very, very small. So can’t blame ARs for our gun problem.
    It's the preferred gun of choice to shoot up a school. Well documented.
    That may be true. Doesn’t change the fact ARs are used in just a small fraction of gun crimes. 
    Some said not enforcing gun laws is the problem. You said ARs are the problem. They are the smallest piece to the puzzle.
    So why drag this on then? He specifically mentioned schools in the first post of his that you replied to and now you say you agree with him. What are we doing here?

    Thankfully all those other people who killed people with handguns didn't use AR 15's or else we'd likely have thousands and thousands more dead people due to guns in this country. 
    Yeah I'm not going to dive into all gun offenses. Likely a lot relate to gun on gun where both shooters are willing participants.

    Christ if you can't see that people being able to buy assault weapons is the problem then start a different thread. And yes....an AR15 is a fucking assault weapon.
    I said I don’t have any issue with stricter assault weapons laws. But also they are a very small piece to the puzzle but yet get all of the attention. I used 1% as a guess, according to this article is 3% of homicide use assault rifles.
    Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders.”
    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/#:~:text=Rifles –%20the%20category%20that%20includes,as%20“type%20not%20stated.”

    So a complete ban on all assault rifles, assuming those people will just give up crime and not use another weapon because of a ban, we only reduce firearm murders by at most 3%.. that still leaves us with an incredible high number of un deaths compared to other countries.
    So yeah, our gun problem is far more than assault rifles.

    This was all brought up with respect to Hunter. Asking why are we so lenient  on current gun laws? Which I agree with. If we can’t 
    hold people accountable le for illegally possessing a firearm, what’s the point in making new laws if we don’t enforce the ones we have. I think we should be strict on people who illegally possess guns. Why would anyone who opposes gun crime be against that? But yet, seems like many don’t agree with holding Hunter accountable for that. Crack down on guns. That means punish people who buy, sell, transport, use or possess them illegally. That, to me, seems like step 1 of common sense gun laws we keep hearing we need.
    I don’t think he should be in prison for safety reason. But massive fines, probation, community service, etc would be appropriate.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    One of the most popular threads on this site is "America's Gun Violence". Hunter has a history with breaking gun laws and being a stupid gun owner. He broke the law yet he is skating by with no penalty. This is one of the biggest issues with guns in America. We have laws and often times they don't get enforced. We will never fix our gun issues if we don't start throwing the book at gun laws being broken. This is another fine example of how Democrats and Pearl Jam Message Board Members wants to bitch about guns yet they applaud when one of their own gets away with doing no time.

    YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!
    Do you realize it was a Trump appointed attorney who investigated him for 5 years? Lol. And here you are...blaming a Pearl Jam message board somehow?

    maga!
    It doesn't matter who investigated him. Hunter should be getting harsher charges when it comes to the gun laws at a minimum. You can't argue with what I said so you have to throw Trump and maga into the conversation to deflect. 

    Why have gun laws if they don't get fully enforced? This is a huge part of the issue with America and guns but you'd rather discuss Trump and maga. Good job!
    The problem isn't a guy having a gun that has a drug issue...the problem is people buying AR-15s and shooting up schools.
    ARs make up something like 1% of gun deaths though. I’m going off memory, so that may not be exact, but it’s very, very small. So can’t blame ARs for our gun problem.
    It's the preferred gun of choice to shoot up a school. Well documented.
    That may be true. Doesn’t change the fact ARs are used in just a small fraction of gun crimes. 
    Some said not enforcing gun laws is the problem. You said ARs are the problem. They are the smallest piece to the puzzle.
    So why drag this on then? He specifically mentioned schools in the first post of his that you replied to and now you say you agree with him. What are we doing here?

    Thankfully all those other people who killed people with handguns didn't use AR 15's or else we'd likely have thousands and thousands more dead people due to guns in this country. 
    Yeah I'm not going to dive into all gun offenses. Likely a lot relate to gun on gun where both shooters are willing participants.

    Christ if you can't see that people being able to buy assault weapons is the problem then start a different thread. And yes....an AR15 is a fucking assault weapon.
    I said I don’t have any issue with stricter assault weapons laws. But also they are a very small piece to the puzzle but yet get all of the attention. I used 1% as a guess, according to this article is 3% of homicide use assault rifles.
    “Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders.”
    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/#:~:text=Rifles –%20the%20category%20that%20includes,as%20“type%20not%20stated.”

    So a complete ban on all assault rifles, assuming those people will just give up crime and not use another weapon because of a ban, we only reduce firearm murders by at most 3%.. that still leaves us with an incredible high number of un deaths compared to other countries.
    So yeah, our gun problem is far more than assault rifles.

    This was all brought up with respect to Hunter. Asking why are we so or isn’t on current gun laws? Which I agree with. If we can’t hold people accountable le for illegally possessing a firearm, what’s the point in making new laws if we don’t enforce the ones we have. I think we should be strict on people who illegally possess guns. Why would anyone who opposes gun crime be against that? But yet, seems like many don’t agree with holding Hunter accountable for that. Crack down on guns. That means punish people who buy, sell, transport, use or possess them illegally. That, to me, seems like step 1 of common sense gun laws we keep hearing we need
    I'm all for enforcing gun laws, but I also understand plea deals are a pretty crucial aspect of our legal system... without them, our courts would be bogged down indefinitely, unable to do anything. 
     
    As I understand it, the gun offense was that he checked off 'no' on the application when asked if he was under the influence of or uses illegal drugs. If I have that wrong, I'm open to being corrected, but if I have that right... what punishment for this offense would have satisfied you? 

    He struck a plea deal w/ a trump appointed prosecutor... why would that prosecutor have taken that deal? I don't know, I don't know 100% of the details of the case. Do you? 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    One of the most popular threads on this site is "America's Gun Violence". Hunter has a history with breaking gun laws and being a stupid gun owner. He broke the law yet he is skating by with no penalty. This is one of the biggest issues with guns in America. We have laws and often times they don't get enforced. We will never fix our gun issues if we don't start throwing the book at gun laws being broken. This is another fine example of how Democrats and Pearl Jam Message Board Members wants to bitch about guns yet they applaud when one of their own gets away with doing no time.

    YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!
    Do you realize it was a Trump appointed attorney who investigated him for 5 years? Lol. And here you are...blaming a Pearl Jam message board somehow?

    maga!
    It doesn't matter who investigated him. Hunter should be getting harsher charges when it comes to the gun laws at a minimum. You can't argue with what I said so you have to throw Trump and maga into the conversation to deflect. 

    Why have gun laws if they don't get fully enforced? This is a huge part of the issue with America and guns but you'd rather discuss Trump and maga. Good job!
    The problem isn't a guy having a gun that has a drug issue...the problem is people buying AR-15s and shooting up schools.
    ARs make up something like 1% of gun deaths though. I’m going off memory, so that may not be exact, but it’s very, very small. So can’t blame ARs for our gun problem.
    It's the preferred gun of choice to shoot up a school. Well documented.
    That may be true. Doesn’t change the fact ARs are used in just a small fraction of gun crimes. 
    Some said not enforcing gun laws is the problem. You said ARs are the problem. They are the smallest piece to the puzzle.
    So why drag this on then? He specifically mentioned schools in the first post of his that you replied to and now you say you agree with him. What are we doing here?

    Thankfully all those other people who killed people with handguns didn't use AR 15's or else we'd likely have thousands and thousands more dead people due to guns in this country. 
    Yeah I'm not going to dive into all gun offenses. Likely a lot relate to gun on gun where both shooters are willing participants.

    Christ if you can't see that people being able to buy assault weapons is the problem then start a different thread. And yes....an AR15 is a fucking assault weapon.
    I said I don’t have any issue with stricter assault weapons laws. But also they are a very small piece to the puzzle but yet get all of the attention. I used 1% as a guess, according to this article is 3% of homicide use assault rifles.
    “Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders.”
    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/#:~:text=Rifles –%20the%20category%20that%20includes,as%20“type%20not%20stated.”

    So a complete ban on all assault rifles, assuming those people will just give up crime and not use another weapon because of a ban, we only reduce firearm murders by at most 3%.. that still leaves us with an incredible high number of un deaths compared to other countries.
    So yeah, our gun problem is far more than assault rifles.

    This was all brought up with respect to Hunter. Asking why are we so or isn’t on current gun laws? Which I agree with. If we can’t hold people accountable le for illegally possessing a firearm, what’s the point in making new laws if we don’t enforce the ones we have. I think we should be strict on people who illegally possess guns. Why would anyone who opposes gun crime be against that? But yet, seems like many don’t agree with holding Hunter accountable for that. Crack down on guns. That means punish people who buy, sell, transport, use or possess them illegally. That, to me, seems like step 1 of common sense gun laws we keep hearing we need
    I'm all for enforcing gun laws, but I also understand plea deals are a pretty crucial aspect of our legal system... without them, our courts would be bogged down indefinitely, unable to do anything. 
     
    As I understand it, the gun offense was that he checked off 'no' on the application when asked if he was under the influence of or uses illegal drugs. If I have that wrong, I'm open to being corrected, but if I have that right... what punishment for this offense would have satisfied you? 

    He struck a plea deal w/ a trump appointed prosecutor... why would that prosecutor have taken that deal? I don't know, I don't know 100% of the details of the case. Do you? 
    It leans into the complexity of getting a conviction for someone who is an addict and their medical history. Hunter admitted to the crime in his book and was initially questioned and investigated by local law enforcement. The DA declined to press charges because of the complexity and difficulty of securing a conviction for lying on the form due to claiming he wasn’t a user. Perhaps part of Hunter’s recovery is admitting guilt for past mistakes and paying the price?

    If folks were really concerned about enforcing current gun laws, then they wouldn’t vote for candidates that run on defunding the ATF. Full funding of ATF would allow them to go after the “responsible” gun sellers and buyers who make the straw purchases. But we know the NRA and the firearms manufacturers would never get on board with it, just like some posters on here wouldn’t get on board with it. Can’t have Jack booted thugs infringing on 2A, dontcha know?
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,781
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    Where were these concerns about tightening up gun laws when a 17yo Kyle Rittenhouse murdered multiple Americans at a protest w/ a gun that was given to him / he didn't own? 
  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269

    Where were these concerns about tightening up gun laws when a 17yo Kyle Rittenhouse murdered multiple Americans at a protest w/ a gun that was given to him / he didn't own? 
    You should ask the jury that found him not guilty.... 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    JB16057 said:

    Where were these concerns about tightening up gun laws when a 17yo Kyle Rittenhouse murdered multiple Americans at a protest w/ a gun that was given to him / he didn't own? 
    You should ask the jury that found him not guilty.... 
    ok we know he was found innocent but I’ll ask you were you outraged by what he did? 
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    JB16057 said:

    Where were these concerns about tightening up gun laws when a 17yo Kyle Rittenhouse murdered multiple Americans at a protest w/ a gun that was given to him / he didn't own? 
    You should ask the jury that found him not guilty.... 
    ok we know he was found innocent but I’ll ask you were you outraged by what he did? 
    I was frustrated that a kid put himself into that circumstance but as for him killing the people that attacked him first, no, that does not outrage me. Kyle had to defend himself against people threatening his life or die. I would do that same thing except I would never have put myself in that position to begin with but if my life is ever threatened, I won't hesitate to kill. If you remember, Kyle only shot the people that threatened his life. 
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,781
    JB16057 said:

    Where were these concerns about tightening up gun laws when a 17yo Kyle Rittenhouse murdered multiple Americans at a protest w/ a gun that was given to him / he didn't own? 
    You should ask the jury that found him not guilty.... 
    As I understand it, the defense found that there were no laws on the books stating that a 17yo couldn't be in possession of a firearm, only that a 17yo couldn't own one. 

    So if my recollection is correct, again I ask, where were all the concerns from conservatives about tightening up those gun laws after that happened? Are you ok w/ 17 year olds being in possession of and walking around with assault rifles? 

    It's not as if he was protecting his parents house or business. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,197
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:

    Where were these concerns about tightening up gun laws when a 17yo Kyle Rittenhouse murdered multiple Americans at a protest w/ a gun that was given to him / he didn't own? 
    You should ask the jury that found him not guilty.... 
    ok we know he was found innocent but I’ll ask you were you outraged by what he did? 
    I was frustrated that a kid put himself into that circumstance but as for him killing the people that attacked him first, no, that does not outrage me. Kyle had to defend himself against people threatening his life or die. I would do that same thing except I would never have put myself in that position to begin with but if my life is ever threatened, I won't hesitate to kill. If you remember, Kyle only shot the people that threatened his life. 
    Tell us how you feel about a 17 year old possessing a firearm that they weren’t legally allowed to possess.
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:

    Where were these concerns about tightening up gun laws when a 17yo Kyle Rittenhouse murdered multiple Americans at a protest w/ a gun that was given to him / he didn't own? 
    You should ask the jury that found him not guilty.... 
    As I understand it, the defense found that there were no laws on the books stating that a 17yo couldn't be in possession of a firearm, only that a 17yo couldn't own one. 

    So if my recollection is correct, again I ask, where were all the concerns from conservatives about tightening up those gun laws after that happened? Are you ok w/ 17 year olds being in possession of and walking around with assault rifles? 

    It's not as if he was protecting his parents house or business. 
    No. I'm not OK with 17 year olds being in possession of and walking around with assault rifles.

    The person that bought the gun for Rittenhouse did get into trouble but the felony charge was dropped which I don't agree with. 
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/friend-bought-rifle-kyle-rittenhouse-plea-deal/story?id=82178053